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Post by marcl on Mar 26, 2022 12:35:18 GMT -5
A question on sample rates and processing for KeithL or anyone else who might know ...
We know that Dirac requires downsampling to 48KHz. We also know that the Dolby and DTS upmixers do not work with sample rates above 48KHZ. I also believe there is an issue with downmixing higher sample rates ... i.e. if you have a 96/24 5.1 file and set Center=None, the system continues to send signal to the Center output and does not downmix the Center channel to L/R as we would expect.
But the question is, do User PEQ filters and bass management HPF/LPF operate at the native sample rate if it's above 48KHz? Or, does the signal processing for PEQ and bass management have to also be downsampled to 48KHz?
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Post by 5channels on Mar 26, 2022 12:43:33 GMT -5
Apparently a number of you missed the earlier discussion that this isn't "just" an Emotiva problem. Other processor / AVR vendors are having similar issues, if not worse. I've been biting my tongue for a long time on this, but just this once I'm going to allow myself to vent. Complaining about the lack of transparency and lack of updates doesn't help. It doesn't make updates happen any faster, it doesn't build camaraderie in the community, it doesn't cultivate goodwill between us customers and Emotiva. It *does* make the people constantly beating the drum look like children throwing tantrums. If you just scream loud enough, obviously someone will give you what you want. (Riiight. That's not how it works.) We're in a pandemic. Yes, it's the tail end - hopefully - but there are countries still locking down due to the threat. Logistics problems are rampant. Just hiring decent employees is still very difficult. I certainly don't know what difficulties Emotiva and other niche electronics manufacturers are facing, but I know it's hard enough filling the rare open position at my employer. Let's all have a little patience *and respect* both for the team behind Emotiva products, as well as the other customers on this forum. Well, you know what they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. So, I do not understand your point. Maybe lend your voice to those with legitimate complaints, thus the grease is applied sooner and we can all benefit.
Where is the respect from Emotiva for it's valued customer base? I do not see it.
They have no issue pumping out new products and promoting them with email campaigns and podcasts. Therefore, I am not entirely buying the pandemic argument.
Listen, they owe us at the very least a communication, not absolute silence. That is called disrespectful.
I will bang the drum when the urge strikes me, regardless of how you want to label it. I can be patient, but to tolerate being constantly ignored is a different ask. Apathy is not my gig. You can't keep biting your tongue if you wish, but that's how you bleed out.
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Post by jjkessler on Mar 26, 2022 13:37:26 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong, I still have no regrets trading my XMC-1 in for the more expensive RMC-1L and do believe it sounds excellent and budget friendly as compared to most of the Audiogon stuff. I have a ton of Emo gear that I also really enjoy. What I have seen in my career is when progress seems to have stopped and communication goes quiet, reprioritization based upon revenue relevance OR they ran into a far bigger issue than the original development scoped out isn’t uncommon. I feel worse for those who bought the RMC-1 and are also waiting for more expansion modules on top of software fixes
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 13:51:02 GMT -5
Now just using the tv's speakers with the RMC in VRO and Standby. The Fios box now has no connections other than the HDMI out to the RMC #1 Input. Will see how this goes. All was good this morning, but after the tv being turned off for several hours, I just turned it on again and there was no video or audio. Pushed the #1 Input button on the RMC remote and the video and audio came on. For some reason the signal at times is not getting to the tv from the Fios cable box when the tv is turned on. I made sure the cable box was on by pressing the power button on it several times without success. Turned the tv off and back on with no luck. Only refreshing the TV input on the RMC-1 (in VRO) did the video and audio start working. I would only point out that I did not have this issue with my Marantz 8805, Denon 6700, Monoprice HTP-1, XMC-1 and even my RMC-1 until recently. I have had my RMC since July of 2019. This issue was not present until I started reporting it lately. For me it is no big deal to push 1 button to get things to work. But, this is a process that should work all the time. Is there anyone else out there using their RMC with a Verizon Fios cable box that does or does not have this issue? The next thing I am going to do is unplug all the other source devices except for the tv. Will see what that does if anything. Best Regards to all EDIT: Of course another solution would be to remove the RMC from the loop and just have the cable box go to its on tv input. But once again this solution should not be required if everything is working as it should. I cannot think of another setup that would show where the problem is. I certainly cannot take the tv out of the system. Can I? EDIT 2: With the RMC in Standby mode, is there some way to check what source is selected? I am just wondering if for some reason whether outside or inside, something is causing the RMC to change inputs even when off? Sounds farfetched but just throwing it out there to see what sticks. EDIT 3: Turned tv off for a half hour or so and when I powered the tv and box on, no sound or video. This is after all source devices were removed from their inputs on the RMC. My next move will be to try a different HDMI cable from the box to the RMC. Maybe something screwy with the cable. Regards. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 26, 2022 16:23:49 GMT -5
EDIT: Of course another solution would be to remove the RMC from the loop and just have the cable box go to its on tv input. But once again this solution should not be required if everything is working as it should. I cannot think of another setup that would show where the problem is. I certainly cannot take the tv out of the system. Can I? Yes. I've done this to check things that only require me to look at the front panel display for incoming signals for video and audio. EDIT 2: With the RMC in Standby mode, is there some way to check what source is selected? Yes. You can use the Up/Down buttons for INPUT on the remote to switch to the next higher or lower number input. Checking which input is currently selected while in VRO is a good idea. Then upon boot up see if it's the same input or if it was changed, which has happened to others in the past. Also, you might try connecting the tv to the Non-ARC output of the processor, HDMI Output 1. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 16:28:22 GMT -5
Thanks much ttocs. Will give both a try.
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 17:01:17 GMT -5
EDIT: Of course another solution would be to remove the RMC from the loop and just have the cable box go to its on tv input. But once again this solution should not be required if everything is working as it should. I cannot think of another setup that would show where the problem is. I certainly cannot take the tv out of the system. Can I? Yes. I've done this to check things that only require me to look at the front panel display for incoming signals for video and audio. EDIT 2: With the RMC in Standby mode, is there some way to check what source is selected? Yes. You can use the Up/Down buttons for INPUT on the remote to switch to the next higher or lower number input. Checking which input is currently selected while in VRO is a good idea. Then upon boot up see if it's the same input or if it was changed, which has happened to others in the past. Also, you might try connecting the tv to the Non-ARC output of the processor, HDMI Output 1. Have tried changing output to the tv to HDMI 1 output. With the RMC in VRO mode, there is a picture but no sound. When I turn the RMC on, I get both picture and sound through the system. I skimmed through the manual but could not find anything about no audio from HDMI 1 when in VRO mode. Am I missing a setting somewhere? |
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Post by frederick on Mar 26, 2022 17:06:31 GMT -5
I currently have a recent Marantz AVR that I am using while I decide what to buy for my actual processor. My system is controlled by my home automation system. As a result when I select to watch, say, DISH, not only does the system turn on each piece of equipment it also sends input select commands to each piece of equipment that has inputs. So it may be that the problem you are seeing could occur on my system as well but I would never see it since each input is selected even if it was previously selected.
Perhaps you could use a "smart" remote that could do something similar.
Frederick
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 17:21:50 GMT -5
Yes. I've done this to check things that only require me to look at the front panel display for incoming signals for video and audio. Yes. You can use the Up/Down buttons for INPUT on the remote to switch to the next higher or lower number input. Checking which input is currently selected while in VRO is a good idea. Then upon boot up see if it's the same input or if it was changed, which has happened to others in the past. Also, you might try connecting the tv to the Non-ARC output of the processor, HDMI Output 1. Have tried changing output to the tv to HDMI 1 output. With the RMC in VRO mode, there is a picture but no sound. When I turn the RMC on, I get both picture and sound through the system. I skimmed through the manual but could not find anything about no audio from HDMI 1 when in VRO mode. Am I missing a setting somewhere? Switched the output from the RMC back to HDMI 2 and got both sound and video. Weird! Something else that I was not expecting is that when audio and video are working with the RMC in Standby mode (VRO), when I turn the RMC "On" the audio from the tv speakers is turned off. That is an unexpected benefit. As soon as I put the RMC in Standby, the tv's speakers come back on. I will take that. This is no big issue for me. I will use the tv without the soundbar (getting used to the tv's speakers) and go from there. If I have to reselect an Input that will be fine with me. There is so much I do not understand that I think I will go with what I have and works. Appreciate all the help and suggestions but I am taking up to much space and time here. One button push is not worth all the fuss, even though it should not be required, I can live with it. Take care all. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 26, 2022 17:55:31 GMT -5
Yes. I've done this to check things that only require me to look at the front panel display for incoming signals for video and audio. Yes. You can use the Up/Down buttons for INPUT on the remote to switch to the next higher or lower number input. Checking which input is currently selected while in VRO is a good idea. Then upon boot up see if it's the same input or if it was changed, which has happened to others in the past. Also, you might try connecting the tv to the Non-ARC output of the processor, HDMI Output 1. Have tried changing output to the tv to HDMI 1 output. With the RMC in VRO mode, there is a picture but no sound. When I turn the RMC on, I get both picture and sound through the system. I skimmed through the manual but could not find anything about no audio from HDMI 1 when in VRO mode. Am I missing a setting somewhere? Sorry, I forgot that VRO doesn't give audio when using Output HDMI 1, at least it doesn't for me. But the real purpose of trying this is to see what happens for normal powered-on operation. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 18:40:58 GMT -5
Have tried changing output to the tv to HDMI 1 output. With the RMC in VRO mode, there is a picture but no sound. When I turn the RMC on, I get both picture and sound through the system. I skimmed through the manual but could not find anything about no audio from HDMI 1 when in VRO mode. Am I missing a setting somewhere? Sorry, I forgot that VRO doesn't give audio when using Output HDMI 1, at least it doesn't for me. But the real purpose of trying this is to see what happens for normal powered-on operation. No problem at all. Appreciate all your suggestions and help. No need to respond to this but, I have to wonder why everything worked as it should for about the first 18 months I have had the RMC and now lately started having this issue. I wonder if either or both the RMC and Fios cable box received some firmware update that affected this issue? Not going to worry about it any more. May go ahead and try a different cable just for grins and giggles. Once again ttocs, thanks for your help. Best Regards. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 26, 2022 19:34:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I forgot that VRO doesn't give audio when using Output HDMI 1, at least it doesn't for me. But the real purpose of trying this is to see what happens for normal powered-on operation. No problem at all. Appreciate all your suggestions and help. No need to respond to this but, I have to wonder why everything worked as it should for about the first 18 months I have had the RMC and now lately started having this issue. I wonder if either or both the RMC and Fios cable box received some firmware update that affected this issue? Not going to worry about it any more. May go ahead and try a different cable just for grins and giggles. Once again ttocs, thanks for your help. Best Regards. My Sony tv has had some bad firmware updates that made things go goofy (technical term). One Sony update made it almost impossible to get ARC to work, but it worked on the previous Sony firmware and worked much better with the next Sony firmware. When I got the new Apple TV 4K, the first 4K model, my projector began turning off after a half hour, and sleep mode was deactivated on it. It took me two weeks to discover that the new Apple TV 4K was turning off the projector even though I disable CEC on all my devices --- but the ATV4K was able to turn off the projector anyway! The only workaround I could make work at that time was to disable sleep on the ATV4K. Suspect everything. And when a new issue arises in the future, suspect everything again. Complacency can be blinding. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 26, 2022 19:42:00 GMT -5
Amen and I am afraid I am and have been guilty.
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Post by AntonP on Mar 27, 2022 3:50:19 GMT -5
I need IR receiver for rmc-1 - what kind of connector should i search for? 3.5mm mono or 3.5mm stereo jack?
most of receivers that i've seen have stereo jack...
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Post by tngiloy on Mar 27, 2022 7:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Mar 27, 2022 10:16:06 GMT -5
I need IR receiver for rmc-1 - what kind of connector should i search for? 3.5mm mono or 3.5mm stereo jack? most of receivers that i've seen have stereo jack... How would you know by looking at a female jack that it’s stereo? Or does the manual specify stereo? As there’s only one signal, and as tngiloy’s examples show, mono is appropriate. Edit: Sorry, by ‘receiver’ I thought you meant AVR 😳 |
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Post by seras on Mar 27, 2022 20:39:08 GMT -5
Hello, I want to confirm my understanding of this paragraph from the manual.
When Enhanced Bass is enabled on the RMC-1, bass from the LFE channel is routed to your
subwoofer (or subs), bass below the crossover frequency of any speaker you have configured as
small is also routed to your sub or subs, and bass from any channels you have configured as large
is routed to the intended main speaker. IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as
large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies
which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured
crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily
setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated
with it
I have all my speakers set to large, and enhanced bass enabled. I did not touch anything else. Does that mean my sub will receive LFE and anything below 80hz from all other speakers?
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Post by ttocs on Mar 27, 2022 20:47:32 GMT -5
Hello, I want to confirm my understanding of this paragraph from the manual. When Enhanced Bass is enabled on the RMC-1, bass from the LFE channel is routed to your
subwoofer (or subs), bass below the crossover frequency of any speaker you have configured as
small is also routed to your sub or subs, and bass from any channels you have configured as large
is routed to the intended main speaker. IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as
large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies
which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured
crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily
setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated
with itI have all my speakers set to large, and enhanced bass enabled. I did not touch anything else. Does that mean my sub will receive LFE and anything below 80hz from all other speakers? Yes, if the crossover for all channels is 80Hz. To clarify for anyone just coming upon this, If a pair of channels are setup as Large, there is still a crossover setting (hidden when Large) that can only be set when the channels are changed to Small. Changing back to Large defeats the crossover - except - when using Enhanced Bass which will supply bass below the crossover setting of every active channel regardless of size. If one wants a pair of Large Channels to have more bass output below say, 40Hz, then change the channel to Small, change the crossover setting from the 80Hz default to 40Hz, then change back to Large, and engage Enhanced Bass. |
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Post by AntonP on Mar 28, 2022 3:20:50 GMT -5
How would you know by looking at a female jack that it’s stereo? Or does the manual specify stereo? As there’s only one signal, and as tngiloy ’s examples show, mono is appropriate.
almost all receivers that i found at market have stereo mini-jack, like this one:
i can buy sonance cr1 ir receiver: will it work with emotiva rmc-1?
just receiver, without hub
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 28, 2022 3:47:44 GMT -5
I have been watching the software upgrade talk and disappointment and have been patient with my RMC-1. What finally dawned on me is with the lack of transparency, is there actually a bigger issue Emotiva has run into while working or the update that’s behind this fairly significant delay ? Great questions…unfortunately I think the answer is that no one really knows due to a lack of communication. It could be that the developers they hired all decided to move on and they had to hire and train new developers etc etc. Train? What company hires coders that can’t code? Get familiar with the codebase yes, but not train. Could be that they FINALLY decided the old code had to go and pretty much clean up the code from scratch to be able to have SOME progress at all in the future.. Still, some info on what’s going on should be had.. No dates, I don’t care about dates unless they actually know when it will be released. |
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