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Post by hsamwel on Mar 29, 2022 18:37:44 GMT -5
I take it back. The bass gets too muddied…went back to setting a high pass crossover on the mains. Sounds a lot cleaner. What usually happens when using large settings is that you feel the bass becoming more defined. This is mostly due to a lot less bass is produced and thus feels ”clearer”. But it can also become muddier like when you have large or too low crossover on some center speakers. Most times it’s the room deciding if you can go low with the crossover, not the speakers. This is were most get it wrong. Just because your speakers can play low doesn’t mean you should let them. This of course applies to multi channel setups. When you get the subwoofer(s) correctly setup and calibrated there’s nothing beating them on below 80hz really. Sometimes if the subwoofer isn’t good enough it will not play good and fast in the 50-80hz region. This is were REL subs do their thing. In these cases you may feel the bass being better with large or with a lower crossover. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 29, 2022 19:10:14 GMT -5
That’s a normal reaction from people with large speakers.. I can asure you that almost no large speaker produces bass in the volume a subwoofer can. Atleast not under 50-60hz were most big floor standers start their roll off. Just because a manufacturer tells you it produces bass to 20hz doesn’t mean it does it in full volume. Almost no speakers do under 30hz even. Don’t get me wrong here, yes they often produce below 30hz but not anywhere near the impact you’ll get with subwoofers.. But hey I don’t know your speakers.. Maybe you have dual 15” in each and they are 8ft tall and 3ft wide..  My recommendation would be to try using BM with atleast all but the fronts. First try with all.. You should get better overall sound unless there’s some issues with the subwoofer. Are you using only one subwoofer? Yeah, thanks for the suggestion that make sense. Definitely will looks into this. My current focus is getting this directional bass away so that I can put ore content to the sub. Yes I have only 1 sub and my room does have have space for another sub in symmetrical position. I did some test yesterday. If I turn my sub around 120 degree towards my front speakers so it face my front wall and front speakers, I found less directional. Right now it is facing front in the right front corner If you can get another subwoofer that would probably help with the placement issues. Some atleast. I have two in a symmetrical placement between my fronts. It works pretty good. I don’t hear my subs, but sometimes feel that the bass originates from the front of the room. This setup integrates nicely with music. I have setup my whole bed layer with 80hz crossover. Although my fronts have dual 8” woofers and easily go below 35hz, actually speced to 28hz. Dirac says they play flat to 22hz in my room due to a huge peak I have at 25hz. Even so, if I compare the bass from those floor standers to my 12” subwoofers they sound really weak. Even for music that seldom go under 30-40hz. If you set all your speakers to small with a 60hz or 70hz crossover do you still hear were it comes from? It sounds like there are some higher frequencies that originate from your sub. If you cross your speakers low you will have those frequencies cut off. Could help your issue. |
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 30, 2022 6:35:52 GMT -5
No problem at all. Appreciate all your suggestions and help. No need to respond to this but, I have to wonder why everything worked as it should for about the first 18 months I have had the RMC and now lately started having this issue. I wonder if either or both the RMC and Fios cable box received some firmware update that affected this issue? Not going to worry about it any more. May go ahead and try a different cable just for grins and giggles. Once again ttocs, thanks for your help. Best Regards. My Sony tv has had some bad firmware updates that made things go goofy (technical term). One Sony update made it almost impossible to get ARC to work, but it worked on the previous Sony firmware and worked much better with the next Sony firmware. When I got the new Apple TV 4K, the first 4K model, my projector began turning off after a half hour, and sleep mode was deactivated on it. It took me two weeks to discover that the new Apple TV 4K was turning off the projector even though I disable CEC on all my devices --- but the ATV4K was able to turn off the projector anyway! The only workaround I could make work at that time was to disable sleep on the ATV4K. Suspect everything. And when a new issue arises in the future, suspect everything again. Complacency can be blinding. Knock on wood, but several days ago I changed the HDMI cable from the Fios cable box to the RMC and have not had the no video issue since. I know it is early but it looks like I might have had a bad cable. Just shows you to "Suspect everything". |
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Post by bitzerjdb on Mar 30, 2022 9:42:41 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the "Power/Effect" of the HDMI Cable. They do go bad without warning and the failure is not binary (working, not-working). I've posted it before, but the Zeskit Maya cables and Cable Matter cables are a fantastic choice and not expensive. Plus...they are available on Amazon and you can return them easily! I follow the HDfury Discord Channel and 99% of the issues are cable related. It's not an excuse...it's a fact. The other common finding is that you should AVOID Monoprice cables (sad, because I was a huge supporter).
In my case, my system has calmed down since replacing cables. For example, I would have an HDMI lockup when switching from my Blu-Ray player back to my Tivo Bolt (the HDfury Switch would lock up). I had a Monoprice 8K cable that worked fine between the player and switch. After replacing it with the Cable Matter cable (cheap!) the problem disapeared.
Cables can introduce Ghosts in the Machine and debugging is difficult!
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 30, 2022 9:57:06 GMT -5
In an email from Emo it sounded like another version of firmware was close to being released. I've been in the Emo game since I bought a UMC-1 in December 2010 so I'm not really holding my breath, it will come when it comes. The only real issue I have with my RMC-1 has been with HDMI handshakes.
Wed 2/16/2022 7:46 AM
"Below is a link to firmware version 2.5 which was just released a couple of weeks ago. This is the most recent update, and we should have another in the next month or so."
I have not upgraded to 2.5 since Keith wrote this:
"The only difference in functionality between v2.3 and v2.5 is a minor bug fix to bass management when running dual subs."
I only have a single sub so not an issue there, my question is have guys who upgraded to 2.5 noticed any improvement in the HDMI handshake?
If not I'll probably leave well enough alone until a firmware comes out that offers some improvement in the HDMI department.
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 30, 2022 12:56:01 GMT -5
In an email from Emo it sounded like another version of firmware was close to being released. I've been in the Emo game since I bought a UMC-1 in December 2010 so I'm not really holding my breath, it will come when it comes. The only real issue I have with my RMC-1 has been with HDMI handshakes. Wed 2/16/2022 7:46 AM "Below is a link to firmware version 2.5 which was just released a couple of weeks ago. This is the most recent update, and we should have another in the next month or so." I have not upgraded to 2.5 since Keith wrote this: "The only difference in functionality between v2.3 and v2.5 is a minor bug fix to bass management when running dual subs." I only have a single sub so not an issue there, my question is have guys who upgraded to 2.5 noticed any improvement in the HDMI handshake? If not I'll probably leave well enough alone until a firmware comes out that offers some improvement in the HDMI department. Since you're not experiencing noticeable issues with pre-2.5 bass management, I'd sit tight. Keith is correct in saying that other than for the bass management patch, there is no difference between 2.3 and 2.5. If there is, I certainly didn't/don't notice it...  |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 30, 2022 19:08:44 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the "Power/Effect" of the HDMI Cable. They do go bad without warning and the failure is not binary (working, not-working). I've posted it before, but the Zeskit Maya cables and Cable Matter cables are a fantastic choice and not expensive. Plus...they are available on Amazon and you can return them easily! I follow the HDfury Discord Channel and 99% of the issues are cable related. It's not an excuse...it's a fact. The other common finding is that you should AVOID Monoprice cables (sad, because I was a huge supporter). In my case, my system has calmed down since replacing cables. For example, I would have an HDMI lockup when switching from my Blu-Ray player back to my Tivo Bolt (the HDfury Switch would lock up). I had a Monoprice 8K cable that worked fine between the player and switch. After replacing it with the Cable Matter cable (cheap!) the problem disapeared. Cables can introduce Ghosts in the Machine and debugging is difficult! For HDMI this for sure holds true.. As long as you don’t tell me you get better colors, contrast or whatever I’m with you.  I use swedish Supra cables, have been since I started this journey. They make one of the absolutely best HDMI cables in the market. While not expensive here in sweden I have heard they are abroad. Especially outside EU. They pride themselves in making cables that always exceed the specs with a good margin. This way the cables usually never fails on any system. I had an older cables that was made for the HDMI 1.3/1.4 era that even worked fine with 4k several years later. |
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Post by aswiss on Mar 31, 2022 18:38:11 GMT -5
BTW - it's April 1st - so be careful when you read about the FW is out today....
Just saying...
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Post by danblack on Apr 1, 2022 13:25:20 GMT -5
Just so all know. I recently installed a HDfury Vrroom. So my Xbox series X and all other devices go to the Vrroom then from the Vrroom I have a HDMI going to my TV, and from the Audio out of the Vrroom I have a hdmi going to my XMC-2 input 1. What a Godsend. Now the XMC-2 only does Audio and man does it do it well. I no longer have any HDMI issues. I get all my 2.1 needs met and have zero switching issues. It is expensive but no more headaches. And it is completely future proof. Great support through discord and very easy to set up. They support the product very well with firmware. 24/7 tech support if needed. No more hard reboots for me.
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Apr 1, 2022 14:29:23 GMT -5
Just so all know. I recently installed a HDfury Vrroom. So my Xbox series X and all other devices go to the Vrroom then from the Vrroom I have a HDMI going to my TV, and from the Audio out of the Vrroom I have a hdmi going to my XMC-2 input 1. What a Godsend. Now the XMC-2 only does Audio and man does it do it well. I no longer have any HDMI issues. I get all my 2.1 needs met and have zero switching issues. It is expensive but no more headaches. And it is completely future proof. Great support through discord and very easy to set up. They support the product very well with firmware. 24/7 tech support if needed. No more hard reboots for me. I've been thinking about doing this in the future. Just curious about this, is there still a couple second delay for you when you switch audio formats? For instance, if I start playing a movie with a 7.1 TrueHD audio track from Plex or something it will take a few seconds for the audio to start playing since it's switching from a 2.0 audio source. Do you have any delays when audio formats change now that you have the HDfury? |
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Post by danblack on Apr 1, 2022 14:39:09 GMT -5
I do not have any Audio delays. The only delay I have is when I go from let's say a HD 4K DV like Netflix to a SD then my TV has to switch over. So it's not necessary a HDMI delay more a TV switching its modes. But Audio is immediate.
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Apr 1, 2022 14:45:00 GMT -5
I do not have any Audio delays. The only delay I have is when I go from let's say a HD 4K DV like Netflix to a SD then my TV has to switch over. So it's not necessary a HDMI delay more a TV switching its modes. But Audio is immediate. Yeah that delay makes sense because the TV is switching display modes. Glad to hear there is no audio delay. Makes the HDfury a very enticing purchase. Unfortunately it'll have to wait a while since I just upgraded some of my speakers and have some other purchase to make as well  |
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Post by Thunderduck on Apr 1, 2022 16:10:05 GMT -5
Another week bites the dust! 😊
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Post by Dreamer on Apr 1, 2022 16:18:05 GMT -5
With everyone waiting on Firmware updates that haven't really happened with significant changes for a full year now. Maybe this is it, maybe 2.5 is the lifecycle end of the current processors and silence allows Emotiva to sell through the last of these units before announcing a new line?
Thoughts?
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Apr 1, 2022 16:25:23 GMT -5
With everyone waiting on Firmware updates that haven't really happened with significant changes for a full year now. Maybe this is it, maybe 2.5 is the lifecycle end of the current processors and silence allows Emotiva to sell through the last of these units before announcing a new line? Thoughts? Certainly a possibility, based on some recent comments I am hopeful we will see a big firmware update in the coming month(s). For me, personally if I had one feature, and that's it no more firmware updates, it would be DLBC (as long as it actually works). Bug fixes and stability improvements would be great but at this point I've got things working "good enough". If DLBC doesn't end up coming sometime in the next year I'll be looking to greener pastures but understand that no 16 channel processor is without it's own set of issues. |
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Post by danblack on Apr 1, 2022 17:03:24 GMT -5
I don't think they are anywhere near done. I mean you can still buy refurbished XMC-1s from them. I think they are just slow. Their hasn't been any new advancements to justify a new line of processors. The ones out now are still high on the newer DAC list. They wouldn't benefit from a new line. All it would be is a different shell with the same internals I would imagine. I just think they are implementing alot of stuff into this Firmware and with the new HDMI 2.1 board that is probably playing a big part as they have to set the coding up now to be there when that releases.
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 1, 2022 18:10:40 GMT -5
….. I just think they are implementing alot of stuff into this Firmware and with the new HDMI 2.1 board that is probably playing a big part as they have to set the coding up now to be there when that releases. I think you just nailed it. That very same thought has often crossed my mind… |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 1, 2022 21:20:53 GMT -5
With everyone waiting on Firmware updates that haven't really happened with significant changes for a full year now. Maybe this is it, maybe 2.5 is the lifecycle end of the current processors and silence allows Emotiva to sell through the last of these units before announcing a new line? Thoughts? No. I think they are working on firmware 3.0. I’m pretty confident about it…the when I’m not too confident about but that’s customary. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 0:02:57 GMT -5
Whatever they are working on must be one hell of a secret cuz they ain't talking. I still want a list of "things we are working on". I've had to hard reboot and use other work arounds 5 times just this week and it's getting really frustrating. How hard can it be to give us a list? Yes, I understand those of us with problems that aren't listed for fixing might get upset, or Emo's competitors could see how messed up things really are. Should I get my hopes up or not? Whenever you do release the next firmware please make sure you e-mail us owners because I'm done with this forum until then. in the mean time I'll keep telling myself ..."when it works it sounds really really good".
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 2, 2022 7:53:38 GMT -5
Whatever they are working on must be one hell of a secret cuz they ain't talking. I still want a list of "things we are working on". I've had to hard reboot and use other work arounds 5 times just this week and it's getting really frustrating. How hard can it be to give us a list? Yes, I understand those of us with problems that aren't listed for fixing might get upset, or Emo's competitors could see how messed up things really are. Should I get my hopes up or not? Whenever you do release the next firmware please make sure you e-mail us owners because I'm done with this forum until then. in the mean time I'll keep telling myself ..."when it works it sounds really really good". Brucelee….unfortunate that there seems to be people who have very few issues and others who have to constantly reboot. I find it very bizarre. I don’t have to reboot at all even though I do every once in awhile like I would a computer. What drives me nuts is that I wish I knew what was causing this. |
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