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Post by bluescale on Jun 19, 2020 19:29:59 GMT -5
Hi Lonnie. Is there a timeline for, or update on, the results of beta testing? I had an acquaintance ask me about my experience with the XMC-2 back in Feb. I told him that I'm quite pleased, and just waiting for Dirac to release. He's asked me several times since then, as he was finishing up his theater build. Earlier today he told me he went ahead and ordered the Monoprice HTP-1 because *my* "it should be soon" statements had become worthless to him. That stung, but it is what it is. He's hoping to get everything installed by the end of July. I'm curious which one of us is more likely to have a fully functioning theater first. Ask this question as well, which will sound better? Both HT and Stereo. 😁😏🤔 Once Dirac is available on the XMC-2, I bet they will both sound very similar.
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Post by bblv on Jun 19, 2020 19:46:26 GMT -5
Dirac kits going to field beta testers this week. Almost there! Lonnie Hi Lonnie. Is there a timeline for, or update on, the results of beta testing? I had an acquaintance ask me about my experience with the XMC-2 back in Feb. I told him that I'm quite pleased, and just waiting for Dirac to release. He's asked me several times since then, as he was finishing up his theater build. Earlier today he told me he went ahead and ordered the Monoprice HTP-1 because *my* "it should be soon" statements had become worthless to him. That stung, but it is what it is. He's hoping to get everything installed by the end of July. I'm curious which one of us is more likely to have a fully functioning theater first. They've likely lost out on millions of dollars in sales because of the delays in delivering Dirac, expansion modules, stable FW, etc. My RMC-1 has been waaaaaay more stable with FW v1.10 but I'm still having some glitches here and there and missing Dirac and expansion modules. What's that saying.... Penny wise pound foolish? I unfortunately think it applies to Emo's approach to coding and testing.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 19, 2020 20:04:43 GMT -5
Hi Lonnie. Is there a timeline for, or update on, the results of beta testing? I had an acquaintance ask me about my experience with the XMC-2 back in Feb. I told him that I'm quite pleased, and just waiting for Dirac to release. He's asked me several times since then, as he was finishing up his theater build. Earlier today he told me he went ahead and ordered the Monoprice HTP-1 because *my* "it should be soon" statements had become worthless to him. That stung, but it is what it is. He's hoping to get everything installed by the end of July. I'm curious which one of us is more likely to have a fully functioning theater first. They've likely lost out on millions of dollars in sales because of the delays in delivering Dirac, expansion modules, stable FW, etc. My RMC-1 has been waaaaaay more stable with FW v1.10 but I'm still having some glitches here and there and missing Dirac and expansion modules. What's that saying.... Penny wise pound foolish? I unfortunately think it applies to Emo's approach to coding and testing. I did some quick math the other day on the potential financial liability of all of this. It honestly is terrifying for a medium size company much less a small company. At any rate, I'm sure we'll get there soon.
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 19, 2020 20:34:57 GMT -5
They've likely lost out on millions of dollars in sales because of the delays in delivering Dirac, expansion modules, stable FW, etc. My RMC-1 has been waaaaaay more stable with FW v1.10 but I'm still having some glitches here and there and missing Dirac and expansion modules. What's that saying.... Penny wise pound foolish? I unfortunately think it applies to Emo's approach to coding and testing. I did some quick math the other day on the potential financial liability of all of this. It honestly is terrifying for a medium size company much less a small company. At any rate, I'm sure we'll get there soon. Understandably, Covid has had a negative impact on Emo's operations, notably finalizing Dirac and with the overall production. But as far as the financial liability of all this, all we can do is make useless conjecture. Yes, they lost sales because they were behind in production and Dirac was not ready. But on the other hand, what would have been the impact of rushing the product/firmware to market before it was fully tested and then having to bear the cost of cleaning that up? It's easy to play armchair quarterback but stand in Dan's shoes and then see what it is like. He's not perfect but he's built a successful company.
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Post by bblv on Jun 19, 2020 21:21:05 GMT -5
I did some quick math the other day on the potential financial liability of all of this. It honestly is terrifying for a medium size company much less a small company. At any rate, I'm sure we'll get there soon. Understandably, Covid has had a negative impact on Emo's operations, notably finalizing Dirac and with the overall production. But as far as the financial liability of all this, all we can do is make useless conjecture. Yes, they lost sales because they were behind in production and Dirac was not ready. But on the other hand, what would have been the impact of rushing the product/firmware to market before it was fully tested and then having to bear the cost of cleaning that up? It's easy to play armchair quarterback but stand in Dan's shoes and then see what it is like. He's not perfect but he's built a successful company. Early on when everyone was trying to figure out how to work remotely it made more sense that COVID had thrown a significant complication into the Dirac integration. However, on the previous RMC-1 thread Emotiva described that their coders are basically remote contract workers and while I won't pretend to understand exactly what that means as I'm not in the industry, I do know that means they're not being slowed by not being able to come into the office. This is off topic, so that's the last time I'll bring it up.
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Post by bluescale on Jun 19, 2020 21:24:11 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!"
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Post by lokyc on Jun 20, 2020 4:47:03 GMT -5
Getting the network box out with accessories etc may be the trickier part. Suppliers may be shut. And how to restart manufacturing? Even shipping may have been delayed. That's why i thought it would be better if the code is solid, release the image "in case the box gets corrupted and OS needs to be reinstalled." Don't expect it to be available before actual release of hardware either. Perhaps there are concerns with copyright etc. All i know is this. I think the RMC-1 chaps have some reason to gripe. But the XMC-2 is really unbeatable for price and sound quality. Nothing at this side of 10k has the topology. Fully balanced differential. The stereo preamp stage is incredible. I'm enjoying stereo again. Haven't had time todo much EQ, but a cursory REW told me to trim the subs a bit. Surroundnor 2.1, wow amazing. I was just thinking about maybe a preamp, but no,the more advanced bass management actually enhances stereo sources. Perhaps for more sophisticated setups, multiple subs etc, you chaps get frustrated. I just remembered something Moreis Kessler once said of Theta Digital. Their processor was well overdue for DTSMA-HD and Dolby TrueHD. He mentioned how conplicated it was to implement all this on a consumer product. Sure on a PC is straightforward. But for something with a simole remote, different ballgame. They didn't even have HDMI1.4. Anthem was stuck with their D2V like forever. Small companies simply lack the resourcesbof large electronics giants to do this stuff quickly. Emo's problem is that it is tryinh to deliver a mass marketbprice point, a niche voutique product. Amplifiers are one thing, pre/pros are as complicated as they get. I do hope Dirac is available before i set about with ceiling speakers. But for now I'm happy with manual EQ or comvolution with my PC.
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Post by PaulBe on Jun 20, 2020 6:36:58 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!" Why is your acquaintance holding you accountable for something you can't control? Why are you taking responsibility for something you can't control? Do you think this is functional?
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 20, 2020 6:51:39 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!" Why is your acquaintance holding you accountable for something you can't control? Why are you taking responsibility for something you can't control? Do you think this is functional? Because it's human nature, duh.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 20, 2020 7:52:00 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!" Trust me, I understand and agree. I'm in a position of extreme influence around the Information Technology world, and in Emotiva's backyard. I've recommended their products to many from desktop support folks all the way up to the C Suite. I talk to customers and coworkers all across the Eastern US. Audio/Video comes up often. There are reasons I continue to complain about the same thing. It is because it impacts how I feel about the company and whether or not I recommend. At any rate, I pointed out the revenue liability because, you would think, having the possibility of 35 million in returns would be suffocating. But, that's assuming someone's 10,000 number is even remotely correct. It would sure get me motivated.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 20, 2020 7:58:13 GMT -5
Getting the network box out with accessories etc may be the trickier part. Suppliers may be shut. And how to restart manufacturing? Even shipping may have been delayed. That's why i thought it would be better if the code is solid, release the image "in case the box gets corrupted and OS needs to be reinstalled." Don't expect it to be available before actual release of hardware either. Perhaps there are concerns with copyright etc. All i know is this. I think the RMC-1 chaps have some reason to gripe. But the XMC-2 is really unbeatable for price and sound quality. Nothing at this side of 10k has the topology. Fully balanced differential. The stereo preamp stage is incredible. I'm enjoying stereo again. Haven't had time todo much EQ, but a cursory REW told me to trim the subs a bit. Surroundnor 2.1, wow amazing. I was just thinking about maybe a preamp, but no,the more advanced bass management actually enhances stereo sources. Perhaps for more sophisticated setups, multiple subs etc, you chaps get frustrated. I just remembered something Moreis Kessler once said of Theta Digital. Their processor was well overdue for DTSMA-HD and Dolby TrueHD. He mentioned how conplicated it was to implement all this on a consumer product. Sure on a PC is straightforward. But for something with a simole remote, different ballgame. They didn't even have HDMI1.4. Anthem was stuck with their D2V like forever. Small companies simply lack the resourcesbof large electronics giants to do this stuff quickly. Emo's problem is that it is tryinh to deliver a mass marketbprice point, a niche voutique product. Amplifiers are one thing, pre/pros are as complicated as they get. I do hope Dirac is available before i set about with ceiling speakers. But for now I'm happy with manual EQ or comvolution with my PC. we are way off topic with these posts, but I think many of you continue to look at each little issue with blinders on. Take a 35000 feet step back and look at the decade of trends. This isn't about the immediate dilemma. The good news is that, we hope, we are getting Dirac soon. Although, I fully expect mine to ship last 😂😂😂😂. Probably well deserved.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 20, 2020 8:00:23 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!" Why is your acquaintance holding you accountable for something you can't control? Why are you taking responsibility for something you can't control? Do you think this is functional? He isn't taking responsibility for Emotiva's shortcomings. He is taking responsibility for his recommendation.
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 20, 2020 9:33:21 GMT -5
I’m confused. Is megashon really Bonzo. 😳 in disguise?
Russ
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Post by megash0n on Jun 20, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -5
I’m confused. Is megashon really Bonzo. 😳 in disguise? Russ I'm surprised this is the first time anyone has said this. But, no.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 20, 2020 10:25:27 GMT -5
Here is a workaround for the static on the left channel when using TV speakers or zone 2. Go into the setup menu > select speakers > select preset 1> set front height speakers to “DD Enhanced Middle”, even though you don’t have any front height speakers. Other settings than none may also work but haven’t tested them. Exit the setup menu, now with the RMC-1/XMC-2 using preset 1 put it in standby mode and test the TV speakers, you should not hear any static. Currently I am using preset 1 when I want to use the RMC-1/XMC-2 in standby with my TV speakers and preset 2 when I want to use my full 5.0 system. Height speakers are set to none with Preset 2. I know this workaround sounds crazy but there is some faulty code that causes this issue and will be resolved in the next firmware release. Please try this workaround and report back, solved the static problem for me. I added a second pair of ceiling speakers this week and can confirm, when my system was configured as 7.2.2 (w/Small Front Top) I did not have the Zone 2 crackle I had with FW1.9. However, when I added the second pair to get 7.2.4 (w/Small Front Top & Small Rear Top) the Zone 2 static/crackle returned (Right channel for me). I haven’t tried other configurations yet.
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Post by bblv on Jun 20, 2020 10:27:28 GMT -5
It's easy to get caught up with the delays and random glitches, but I had my parents and brother over for their first movie night last night and they were blown away at how good my theater sounds. My dad is the reason I caught the AV hobby bug 20 years ago, so having him praise it was pretty satisfying and made me realize that I'm being overly critical of the "small stuff".
I tweaked my house curve file and loaded up new PEQ's for the LCR yesterday morning and have it pretty dialed right now. Didn't have any glitches and everything just worked, thankfully. Loving my RMC-1 and XPA amps that seem to have limitless power and Dirac is just going to take it to the next level.
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Post by klinemj on Jun 20, 2020 10:31:02 GMT -5
I’m confused. Is megashon really Bonzo. 😳 in disguise? Russ "Russ, I served with Bonzo. I knew Bonzo. Bonzo was (is) a friend of mine. Megashon, you're no Bonzo." (Let's see who dates themselves by knowing where I stole that from...and, it's tongue in cheek and not meant to be an insult to anyone or to be political...) Mark
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Post by megash0n on Jun 20, 2020 10:47:57 GMT -5
I’m confused. Is megashon really Bonzo. 😳 in disguise? Russ "Russ, I served with Bonzo. I knew Bonzo. Bonzo was (is) a friend of mine. Megashon, you're no Bonzo." (Let's see who dates themselves by knowing where I stole that from...and, it's tongue in cheek and not meant to be an insult to anyone or to be political...) Mark Flew over my head 😊
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Post by Mikomill on Jun 20, 2020 10:53:06 GMT -5
I want to be clear about one thing - I don't really care about Emotiva's lost sales. I mean, I do because I want them to be successful and make great products at affordable prices, but that's not really my concern. It was personally embarrassing to me to be called out by someone because, for almost 5 months now, I've been telling him that one of the primary features of this product will be coming out soon. Nothing Emotiva can do about the egg on my face, and I'm responsible for sticking my neck out and recommending the product. The interaction today was just an embarrassing reminder that we still don't have anything other than a nebulous, "we're close!" Why is your acquaintance holding you accountable for something you can't control? Why are you taking responsibility for something you can't control? Do you think this is functional? I crunched the numbers the other day on the potential financial liability of all of this too. Im sure youre losing sleep wondering if I'm okay with the way you guys are running the company and how you're handling all the issues that came up when you released the new processors... GOOD NEWS Lonnie, the numbers check out and you're fine! If you have any other questions on how to run your company feel free to contact me and i'll set you straight. i had a paper route when i was younger so i know everything there is to know about how to run a business! I'm here for you Buddy! I bet that's a load off your mind and you are very welcome. I do have one problem though, my next door neighbor, 2 doors down, across from the bait shop, thinks i'm crazy for spending $4000 on a processor because he listens to movies through an old fisher stereo from the seventies and he only spent $20 on it at a rummage sale and he says it sounds fantastic even though the left channel doesn't work! Its causing me a lot of stress because he keeps telling me i'm a dumbass and i'm sad that he thinks i wasted my money. I'm afraid he won't buy one of your processors. Any changes you can make to your processors to make him nicer to me would be greatly appreciated. I would also like a step by step explanation as to WHY you made the decisions you made about this processor sent to me within the next few day. Thanks and tell Dan I said he's doing a great job!
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Post by klinemj on Jun 20, 2020 11:18:16 GMT -5
"Russ, I served with Bonzo. I knew Bonzo. Bonzo was (is) a friend of mine. Megashon, you're no Bonzo." (Let's see who dates themselves by knowing where I stole that from...and, it's tongue in cheek and not meant to be an insult to anyone or to be political...) Mark Flew over my head 😊 1988 VP Debate...Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle. Bentsen was telling Quayle he was no Jack Kennedy...a comparison Dan liked to make as a positive for himself. A classic moment in that election. Mark
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