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Post by jasonf on Jul 2, 2022 21:09:44 GMT -5
I've been getting a lot more of the "compressed digital sound" issue lately that requires a reboot, so I'm going to throw that one into my hope-that's-fixed-in-3.0 list :-) Looking forward to release! I hope that’s on the list as well, it’s been reported by many, though I don’t get it too often (I refer to it as ‘digital hair’). But have you tried changing audio modes to fix it? Like to stereo and back to auto, that will typically fix it for me, without a reboot. I don't remember that working, but I'll try it next time, thanks! |
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Post by markc on Jul 3, 2022 5:23:45 GMT -5
Is the imminent release of FW3.0 an indicator that the HDMI 2.1 board is going to be available to buy soon? I hope not! I very much hope it is simply to fix the plethora of problems with the processors as is rather than trying to ALSO make a firmware that supports two different HDMI boards. Sorry to have to point out the obvious, but if the Emotiva coders can't get the first part right in 4 years (even with the intervening Coronavirus probably giving them more opportunities to focus on things like programming) then we should not overcomplicate what we require of them to get our standard edition processors working in most situations without glitches. |
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Post by modicen on Jul 3, 2022 8:07:37 GMT -5
I think the next crop of processors will be out before this firmware is.
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Post by Topend on Jul 3, 2022 10:54:15 GMT -5
Is the imminent release of FW3.0 an indicator that the HDMI 2.1 board is going to be available to buy soon? I hope not! I very much hope it is simply to fix the plethora of problems with the processors as is rather than trying to ALSO make a firmware that supports two different HDMI boards. Sorry to have to point out the obvious, but if the Emotiva coders can't get the first part right in 4 years (even with the intervening Coronavirus probably giving them more opportunities to focus on things like programming) then we should not overcomplicate what we require of them to get our standard edition processors working in most situations without glitches. There must be something significant coming to call this FW 3.0 otherwise it would be FW 2.6. In any case I’m hoping that the “plethora of problems” are fixed too. I don’t have too many problems in my XMC-2, mostly the occasional digital noise which is sorted by cycling to stereo and back to surround. |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Jul 3, 2022 13:16:44 GMT -5
I hope not! I very much hope it is simply to fix the plethora of problems with the processors as is rather than trying to ALSO make a firmware that supports two different HDMI boards. Sorry to have to point out the obvious, but if the Emotiva coders can't get the first part right in 4 years (even with the intervening Coronavirus probably giving them more opportunities to focus on things like programming) then we should not overcomplicate what we require of them to get our standard edition processors working in most situations without glitches. There must be something significant coming to call this FW 3.0 otherwise it would be FW 2.6. In any case I’m hoping that the “plethora of problems” are fixed too. I don’t have too many problems in my XMC-2, mostly the occasional digital noise which is sorted by cycling to stereo and back to surround. Yes it is a total overhaul of the software from what I've heard. Fingers crossed, but if 3.0 still has some of these weird problems, the chances of it getting fixed will be slim. |
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 3, 2022 21:20:37 GMT -5
I have an important question regarding ticks/pops/clicks for anyone who has had their processor from around firmware 2.0 days. Was there a specific firmware version where this tick/pop/click behavior first started? As in, I was on one version with none of this noise, then I updated to this new version, and the noise was present? Still trying on my end to put together as much info on this issue as I can, and I have some information on this question already, but I would love to hear from a few more folks to confirm this. I'll mine this post for info as well. Thanks again. Yeah I have been thinking about this. The only time I don't remember the pops being there was prior to me implementing DIRAC. BTW I added the 100ms and the pops are still there, mainly on Nvidia/Apple TV as the format of audio changes eg playing a movie in multichannel moving between apps/icons the beep is in a different format (or visa versa etc). Try enabling "Comfort noise" in the Shield. That fixed the NVIDIA for me.... this plays a constant background noise that's actually inaudible... and it plays it when moving through the menus or you are otherwise not watching actual content... so the processor doesn't have to un-mute every time you press a button. Apple should have a similar setting. (Several edits for clarity and spelling) |
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 3, 2022 21:24:30 GMT -5
Things have been going good with firmware 2.5 for some time now until this afternoon when I turned the tv on and got no audio with my RMC in Video Remains On mode. Normally I do a Lowest Power reboot and everything is ok. For some dumb reason I decided to reload 2.5. The firmware has been "Unpacking" for 30 minutes now. That does not sound correct. Can I turn off the RMC at this point and not kill it or should I just leave it alone and see what happens. I should have known better. Thanks much. EDIT: Powered down and waited 10 minutes. Turned power back on and then rebooted the unit. All came back ok. Will not do that again any time soon. I began to sweat nervously and profusely just reading your post... glad it worked out for you! Don't do that again! |
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 3, 2022 21:26:41 GMT -5
Has anyone needed to send their unit in for an HDMI ARC issue? I’m not sure if the problem is my TV (LG 65 C7) or XMC2. I heard that firmware 3.0 is supposed to help ARC functionality so you may want to wait for it's release. It never hurts to call Emotiva but you'll have to wait till Tuesday. ARC worked nearly flawlessly for me until I updated my Shield to 9.1 (June 30).. I had to turn off "CHange input" in CEC, then cold reboot, and all was well after that, but now I need to manually select inputs. Given I use Shield 90% of the time, it's not a big issue for me. |
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Post by aswiss on Jul 4, 2022 9:04:41 GMT -5
I have an important question regarding ticks/pops/clicks for anyone who has had their processor from around firmware 2.0 days. Was there a specific firmware version where this tick/pop/click behavior first started? As in, I was on one version with none of this noise, then I updated to this new version, and the noise was present? Still trying on my end to put together as much info on this issue as I can, and I have some information on this question already, but I would love to hear from a few more folks to confirm this. I'll mine this post for info as well. Thanks again.
I haven't a Log or so - but I think it was somewhere in FW 1.5/1.7 where it started to be a issue.
And currently - its only my TV Box (switzerland only) which is causing the clicks during channel switch. It happens mostly when the TV Channel has another sound format than the previous.
And its also in which tempo I switch through the channels.
The click is mostly on the SR Channel - sometimes FL and sometimes also Top Back Right.
I had contact with Tim Kreitz back in 2019 on the customer service about this and other issues to be solved.
Most of the previous issues have been gone after 2.0 - other like the click still are present.
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Post by msimanyi on Jul 4, 2022 13:57:49 GMT -5
The HDFury Vrroom - being discussed on AVSForum - has some parameter for muting, which can be configured to mute sounds after video mode changes over HDMI. It might be nice if the v3 firmware has a similar, configurable parameter so users can dial in the setting for themselves.
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Jul 5, 2022 8:42:21 GMT -5
Anyone here use HDMI CEC to control their Emotiva processor volume through the Nvidia Shield? It would seem the latest Shield update 9.1 has broken volume over CEC for me, but I can still power on and off the XMC-2 via CEC through the Shield. I tried doing a full restart of the Shield and XMC-2 but still not working. What's ironic is the patch notes for 9.1 state improved CEC compatibility...
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Post by stephen on Jul 5, 2022 8:57:54 GMT -5
All, quick updates, I've been running the 'pre-release' v3.0 firmware since it was accidentally posted here.
1. Elevated bass levels -- sounds better, but haven't taken any measurements yet. Achieving accuracy here was my primary motivation for upgrading.
2. DIRAC Live -- can't get latest version to connect, both interface and XMC-2 have pingable IPs, will work on this more later.
3. HDMI switching -- everything seems stable. Not using CEC or ARC.
4. Oppo BDP-93 problem -- audio glitches every second or two when playing audio CDs. Movies are fine. Using analog audio path as interim workaround. Allowing HDMI2.0 via XMC-2 menu results in no audio!
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Post by marcl on Jul 5, 2022 9:10:49 GMT -5
All, quick updates, I've been running the 'pre-release' v3.0 firmware since it was accidentally posted here. 1. Elevated bass levels -- sounds better, but haven't taken any measurements yet. Achieving accuracy here was my primary motivation for upgrading. 2. DIRAC Live -- can't get latest version to connect, both interface and XMC-2 have pingable IPs, will work on this more later. 3. HDMI switching -- everything seems stable. Not using CEC or ARC. 4. Oppo BDP-93 problem -- audio glitches every second or two when playing audio CDs. Movies are fine. Using analog audio path as interim workaround. Allowing HDMI2.0 via XMC-2 menu results in no audio! I can connect to Dirac okay, and no issues with audio CD's with OPPO 205. I gathered from Keith's post a while back that Bass Management fixes are not expected in this release. I just ran REW with the same Dirac filters I've been using a couple months and nothing has changed. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Jul 5, 2022 10:09:12 GMT -5
All, quick updates, I've been running the 'pre-release' v3.0 firmware since it was accidentally posted here. 1. Elevated bass levels -- sounds better, but haven't taken any measurements yet. Achieving accuracy here was my primary motivation for upgrading. 2. DIRAC Live -- can't get latest version to connect, both interface and XMC-2 have pingable IPs, will work on this more later. 3. HDMI switching -- everything seems stable. Not using CEC or ARC. 4. Oppo BDP-93 problem -- audio glitches every second or two when playing audio CDs. Movies are fine. Using analog audio path as interim workaround. Allowing HDMI2.0 via XMC-2 menu results in no audio! I can connect to Dirac okay, and no issues with audio CD's with OPPO 205. I gathered from Keith's post a while back that Bass Management fixes are not expected in this release. I just ran REW with the same Dirac filters I've been using a couple months and nothing has changed. That's unfortunate, even thought things are better in this regard since 2.5, IMO this should be one of the top priorities... |
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Post by marcl on Jul 5, 2022 10:20:51 GMT -5
I can connect to Dirac okay, and no issues with audio CD's with OPPO 205. I gathered from Keith's post a while back that Bass Management fixes are not expected in this release. I just ran REW with the same Dirac filters I've been using a couple months and nothing has changed. That's unfortunate, even thought things are better in this regard since 2.5, IMO this should be one of the top priorities... I'm sure it is. But it's been said recently that the fix requires a significant rewrite of code related to bass management routing and the filters. It seems this imminent release focuses on ARC and HDMI, and it's good to have this come out sooner and not have to wait for the whole enchilada. |
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Post by markc on Jul 5, 2022 12:00:05 GMT -5
Anyone here use HDMI CEC to control their Emotiva processor volume through the Nvidia Shield? It would seem the latest Shield update 9.1 has broken volume over CEC for me, but I can still power on and off the XMC-2 via CEC through the Shield. I tried doing a full restart of the Shield and XMC-2 but still not working. What's ironic is the patch notes for 9.1 state improved CEC compatibility... Mine still works, and always has. I can use my Harmony or my Shield remote to control the volume of the Emotiva. There is a menu setting somewhere that they recently added that you had to change - can't remember exactly what it was, but I checked and don't think I had to alter mine. You'd need to Google it unless someone else remembers what that setting was |
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Post by markc on Jul 5, 2022 12:05:40 GMT -5
That's unfortunate, even thought things are better in this regard since 2.5, IMO this should be one of the top priorities... I'm sure it is. But it's been said recently that the fix requires a significant rewrite of code related to bass management routing and the filters. It seems this imminent release focuses on ARC and HDMI, and it's good to have this come out sooner and not have to wait for the whole enchilada. Marc, please don't make excuses for Emotiva on this - there has been a HUGE amount of time since this was reported and that "significant rewrite of code related to bass management routing and filters" should, quite frankly, have been done and implemented before now, let alone having failed to make it into an already defunct, therefore, new 3.0 release! Everyone using ARC and HDMI requires proper and dependable bass management. Not everyone requiring bass management needs decent ARC or HDMI implementation. I know you personally spend extensive hours measuring and testing your setup, but most of us want to simply be able to trust that our "Hi-Fi" system is doing the basics like bass management correctly. Most of us don't even realise we are listening to screwy audio through these processors and even try to polish the turd by applying Dirac room correction to that audio! nb **My edit was Ninja'd by Mark quoting my pre-edit post. I stand by my elaborations here** |
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Post by marcl on Jul 5, 2022 12:11:12 GMT -5
I'm sure it is. But it's been said recently that the fix requires a significant rewrite of code related to bass management routing and the filters. It seems this imminent release focuses on ARC and HDMI, and it's good to have this come out sooner and not have to wait for the whole enchilada. Marc, please don't make excuses for Emotiva on this - there has been a HUGE amount of time since this was reported and that "significant rewrite of code related to bass management routing and filters" should, quite frankly, have been done and implemented before now, let alone having failed to make it into an already defunct, therefore, new 3.0 release! Everyone using ARC and HDMI requires proper and dependable bass management. Not everyone requiring bass management needs decent ARC or HDMI implementation. I was not intending to make excuses. I just wanted to point out that the bass management would not be in this release, and it's better to get something now rather than wait. As for Emotiva's priorities ... we have no way of knowing if it was an either/or situation. Could be different people/skills involved. But yes, a very long time to get some fundamental functionality working. I reported the routing issue two years ago. The bass management issue was reported nearly a year and a half ago. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Jul 5, 2022 14:32:25 GMT -5
Anyone here use HDMI CEC to control their Emotiva processor volume through the Nvidia Shield? It would seem the latest Shield update 9.1 has broken volume over CEC for me, but I can still power on and off the XMC-2 via CEC through the Shield. I tried doing a full restart of the Shield and XMC-2 but still not working. What's ironic is the patch notes for 9.1 state improved CEC compatibility... Mine still works, and always has. I can use my Harmony or my Shield remote to control the volume of the Emotiva. There is a menu setting somewhere that they recently added that you had to change - can't remember exactly what it was, but I checked and don't think I had to alter mine. You'd need to Google it unless someone else remembers what that setting was Thanks for confirming, I do know the setting you are referencing, I think it's at the bottom of the options for power and sound control, something about CEC enable or disable. I did have that enabled which I believe would be the correct setting in this case. I've had issues with CEC volume in the past, usually multiple cycles of full reboots will eventually fix it, but I didn't want to go through that if it wasn't just my setup. I'll try some more power cycles tonight. |
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Post by calle on Jul 5, 2022 14:40:05 GMT -5
CEC dropped between shield and xmc2 for me as well after the upgrade but synced after some power cycles. Mine still works, and always has. I can use my Harmony or my Shield remote to control the volume of the Emotiva. There is a menu setting somewhere that they recently added that you had to change - can't remember exactly what it was, but I checked and don't think I had to alter mine. You'd need to Google it unless someone else remembers what that setting was Thanks for confirming, I do know the setting you are referencing, I think it's at the bottom of the options for power and sound control, something about CEC enable or disable. I did have that enabled which I believe would be the correct setting in this case. I've had issues with CEC volume in the past, usually multiple cycles of full reboots will eventually fix it, but I didn't want to go through that if it wasn't just my setup. I'll try some more power cycles tonight. |
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