RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 Owners Thread (Post Firmware v1.10)

[ttocs]

Oct 12, 2022 20:08:49 GMT -5 AudioHTIT said:

Oct 12, 2022 7:14:07 GMT -5 foggy1956 said:

The difference is whether you put a new tranny in your car or trade it in for a new one.

Isn’t it more like sending your car back to GM to get the new transmission installed (and maybe getting a new engine along with it)? You’ll still have your same VIN, and that scratch in the door from the mall parking lot.

And when GM looks up how much you paid for the car is when they can tell you how much the repair will cost.

[cwt]

Oct 11, 2022 20:15:03 GMT -5 aswiss said:

What makes me unsure is the upgrade for my RMC-1 (G3P).

• can I still use my XLR IN module?
  
• will the RMC-1 ever get XLR-OUT modules to reach the promised 28 channels?
  
• do we really have to exchange almost everything to get just HDMI 2.1?
  
• etc -
  

As long as there is no official written information from Emotiva, that is all speculation.
Its the same wait and see, wait longer, see nothing game, we have since I own my RMC-1 - which is now 41 months.

Your questions may give some clarity to what the g4p's will be .I cant imagine Emo not having accomodation for something like xlr analogue ins - it would look terrible going back on their "upgradeability"promise
I think theres a chance the extra channel module will be much easier to incorporate into a newer more powerful design - those extra dsp circuits that were touted to be in the modules may be better incorporated in the main linux operating system - much easier to bring to market than the lack of progress so far..
Speculation of course..
As seen with other makes missteps ie denon marantz trying to incorporate hdmi 2.1 into their 18gbps avr's it really requires a whole new bandwidth upgrade to 40/48gbp to handle these properly . So it logical that Emo was caught between a rock and a hard place -just like it was with momentum systems and dirac implementation

I hope all this is explained more in depth but Ime sure this will take some time as we understand the time taken so far on the 2.1 roadmap

[Deleted]

Well...Perforated Fish! (ya know "Holy Carp" ). If and it's a big "IF" - IF the price to upgrade my unit is/stays $699 consider me more than a little curious/intrigued.  It's dang tempting to stay with this crazy train.  I was planning on and willing to go for the HDMI upgrade (figuring it would cost about $600-800) expecting it would keep my system current for another 5-7 years.  BUT... if we/I can get a completely new unit for $699 (even if it means more years in perpetual beta) consider me "hooked."  [... of course it's all vaporware until someone gets the first unit (I was close last time- I think I got one of the first ten  ).  I Will certainly be going into the next gen with adjusted expectations].  
Now to wait and see which comes first Firmware 3.0 or RMC-1+  .

[Lsc]

Oct 13, 2022 0:10:46 GMT -5 @brucelee said:

Well...Perforated Fish! (ya know "Holy Carp" ). If and it's a big "IF" - IF the price to upgrade my unit is/stays $699 consider me more than a little curious/intrigued.  It's dang tempting to stay with this crazy train.  I was planning on and willing to go for the HDMI upgrade (figuring it would cost about $600-800) expecting it would keep my system current for another 5-7 years.  BUT... if we/I can get a completely new unit for $699 (even if it means more years in perpetual beta) consider me "hooked."  [... of course it's all vaporware unit someone gets the first unit (I was close last time- I think I got one of the first ten  ).  I Will certainly be going into the next gen with adjusted expectations].  
Now to wait and see which comes first Firmware 3.0 or RMC-1+  .

The podcast said next summer so it probably means early to mid 2024. Well I was going to just keep my XMC2 anyway so if they have an upgrade path for nominal cost, I’ll probably just do it.

[timg]

With the currently quoted upgrade costs, I will definitely be upgrading when the time comes. I was one of the first RMC-1 pre-orders. Unfortunately, my processor has spent most of its life in its box. I took a few years to build a theater in my last house, then I sold it. Now I have a new house where I have to build a theater again... Hopefully the G4 upgrade will be ready by the time I'm ready.

[bbillman]

There's an interesting new Podcast out today. Nice processor trade-in program announced.

[aswiss]

All the info about the Upgrade path and new stuff are now published on the website: emotiva.com/pages/processors-promotion

And my concerns are now clear:

How will upgrades work for existing Emotiva Processors?
Multiple boards have to be changed and a whole new OS has to be installed, and the entire system needs to run through our QA to ensure it meets our rigorous standards. Your processor will have to be upgraded here at Emotiva.

I see part of the next generation is a new HDMI 8K board, can I just upgrade that?
No. The next gen system must be done as a complete system. The current hardware does not have the capabilities to run the new components.

G4P /New NextGen Upgrade

• 8K (on all inputs and outputs) HDMI 2.1 with ARC/eARC
• Enhanced Dolby Atmos audio decoding
  

• DTS:X Pro audio decoding
• IMAX Enhanced Audio and Video
• Built in Wifi and hard wired gigabit ethernet
• Fully embedded web setup and control system
• New TI DAC board and upgraded audio (vs AKM)
• 200 watt autoswitching power supply
• Music streaming capable

But what does that mean for Europe customers? I know how much the shipping is from and to USA (some 500 bucks for send an return, in addition to the costs for the Upgrade).

And this will take weeks or month until the upgraded device will be returned - so no Music/Movies for this time = NO GO for me

So its probably easier to buy a new one - but I'm not going again through all that Beta Testing for another 3 years. Thank you, but no.

Oct 12, 2022 23:01:37 GMT -5 cwt said:

Oct 11, 2022 20:15:03 GMT -5 aswiss said:

What makes me unsure is the upgrade for my RMC-1 (G3P).

• can I still use my XLR IN module?
  
• will the RMC-1 ever get XLR-OUT modules to reach the promised 28 channels?
  
• do we really have to exchange almost everything to get just HDMI 2.1?
  
• etc -
  

As long as there is no official written information from Emotiva, that is all speculation.
Its the same wait and see, wait longer, see nothing game, we have since I own my RMC-1 - which is now 41 months.

Your questions may give some clarity to what the g4p's will be .I cant imagine Emo not having accomodation for something like xlr analogue ins - it would look terrible going back on their "upgradeability"promise
I think theres a chance the extra channel module will be much easier to incorporate into a newer more powerful design - those extra dsp circuits that were touted to be in the modules may be better incorporated in the main linux operating system - much easier to bring to market than the lack of progress so far..
Speculation of course..
As seen with other makes missteps ie denon marantz trying to incorporate hdmi 2.1 into their 18gbps avr's it really requires a whole new bandwidth upgrade to 40/48gbp to handle these properly . So it logical that Emo was caught between a rock and a hard place -just like it was with momentum systems and dirac implementation

I hope all this is explained more in depth but Ime sure this will take some time as we understand the time taken so far on the 2.1 roadmap

[sebna]

Oct 13, 2022 18:33:54 GMT -5 aswiss said:

All the info about the Upgrade path and new stuff are now published on the website: emotiva.com/pages/processors-promotion

And my concerns are now clear:

How will upgrades work for existing Emotiva Processors?
Multiple boards have to be changed and a whole new OS has to be installed, and the entire system needs to run through our QA to ensure it meets our rigorous standards. Your processor will have to be upgraded here at Emotiva.

I see part of the next generation is a new HDMI 8K board, can I just upgrade that?
No. The next gen system must be done as a complete system. The current hardware does not have the capabilities to run the new components.

G4P /New NextGen Upgrade

• 8K (on all inputs and outputs) HDMI 2.1 with ARC/eARC
• Enhanced Dolby Atmos audio decoding
  

• DTS:X Pro audio decoding
• IMAX Enhanced Audio and Video
• Built in Wifi and hard wired gigabit ethernet
• Fully embedded web setup and control system
• New TI DAC board and upgraded audio (vs AKM)
• 200 watt autoswitching power supply
• Music streaming capable

But what does that mean for Europe customers? I know how much the shipping is from and to USA (some 500 bucks for send an return, in addition to the costs for the Upgrade).

And this will take weeks or month until the upgraded device will be returned - so no Music/Movies for this time = NO GO for me

So its probably easier to buy a new one - but I'm not going again through all that Beta Testing for another 3 years. Thank you, but no.

Oct 12, 2022 23:01:37 GMT -5 cwt said:

Your questions may give some clarity to what the g4p's will be .I cant imagine Emo not having accomodation for something like xlr analogue ins - it would look terrible going back on their "upgradeability"promise
I think theres a chance the extra channel module will be much easier to incorporate into a newer more powerful design - those extra dsp circuits that were touted to be in the modules may be better incorporated in the main linux operating system - much easier to bring to market than the lack of progress so far..
Speculation of course..
As seen with other makes missteps ie denon marantz trying to incorporate hdmi 2.1 into their 18gbps avr's it really requires a whole new bandwidth upgrade to 40/48gbp to handle these properly . So it logical that Emo was caught between a rock and a hard place -just like it was with momentum systems and dirac implementation

I hope all this is explained more in depth but Ime sure this will take some time as we understand the time taken so far on the 2.1 roadmap

All the info about the Upgrade path and new stuff are now published on the website: emotiva.com/pages/processors-promotion

There is an authorized service in EU. I would hope that it will be possible to do our upgrades and what not directly there

However, in my case, the only reason why I have bought XMC-2 is the famed SQ, so for me to upgrade it would mean that I have to be sure that it is a true SQ upgrade or at least not a downgrade.

I also hope that the blow does not mean that we can forget about those features for G3P:

Enhanced Dolby Atmos audio decoding
DTS:X Pro audio decoding

[NicS]

Curious, of all the claims made of the Gen4 processor, will it arrive fully baked and ready to eat?

Or will it be like my RMC-1L, partially baked, missing key ingredients and can only be consumed once in a blue moon with chop sticks made of licorice.

Asking for a friend....

[davidl81]

Oct 13, 2022 20:16:02 GMT -5 NicS said:

Curious, of all the claims made of the Gen4 processor, will it arrive fully baked and ready to eat?

Or will it be like my RMC-1L, partially baked, missing key ingredients and can only be consumed once in a blue moon with chop sticks made of licorice.

Asking for a friend....

Well history says….

[NicS]

Oct 13, 2022 20:26:31 GMT -5 davidl81 said:

Oct 13, 2022 20:16:02 GMT -5 NicS said:

Curious, of all the claims made of the Gen4 processor, will it arrive fully baked and ready to eat?

Or will it be like my RMC-1L, partially baked, missing key ingredients and can only be consumed once in a blue moon with chop sticks made of licorice.

Asking for a friend....

Well history says….

As the cliche goes:
Those that do not heed the lessons of history are destined to make the same mistakes.

[PaulBe]

Oct 13, 2022 20:45:29 GMT -5 NicS said:

Oct 13, 2022 20:26:31 GMT -5 davidl81 said:

Well history says….

As the cliche goes:
Those that do not heed the lessons of history are destined to make the same mistakes.

What exactly are you looking for? Perhaps there is a Monoprice HTP-1 in your future.

[multicore]

Oct 13, 2022 18:33:54 GMT -5 aswiss said:

All the info about the Upgrade path and new stuff are now published on the website: emotiva.com/pages/processors-promotion

And my concerns are now clear:

How will upgrades work for existing Emotiva Processors?
Multiple boards have to be changed and a whole new OS has to be installed, and the entire system needs to run through our QA to ensure it meets our rigorous standards. Your processor will have to be upgraded here at Emotiva.

I see part of the next generation is a new HDMI 8K board, can I just upgrade that?
No. The next gen system must be done as a complete system. The current hardware does not have the capabilities to run the new components.

G4P /New NextGen Upgrade

• 8K (on all inputs and outputs) HDMI 2.1 with ARC/eARC
• Enhanced Dolby Atmos audio decoding
  

• DTS:X Pro audio decoding
• IMAX Enhanced Audio and Video
• Built in Wifi and hard wired gigabit ethernet
• Fully embedded web setup and control system
• New TI DAC board and upgraded audio (vs AKM)
• 200 watt autoswitching power supply
• Music streaming capable

But what does that mean for Europe customers? I know how much the shipping is from and to USA (some 500 bucks for send an return, in addition to the costs for the Upgrade).

And this will take weeks or month until the upgraded device will be returned - so no Music/Movies for this time = NO GO for me

So its probably easier to buy a new one - but I'm not going again through all that Beta Testing for another 3 years. Thank you, but no.

Oct 12, 2022 23:01:37 GMT -5 cwt said:

Your questions may give some clarity to what the g4p's will be .I cant imagine Emo not having accomodation for something like xlr analogue ins - it would look terrible going back on their "upgradeability"promise
I think theres a chance the extra channel module will be much easier to incorporate into a newer more powerful design - those extra dsp circuits that were touted to be in the modules may be better incorporated in the main linux operating system - much easier to bring to market than the lack of progress so far..
Speculation of course..
As seen with other makes missteps ie denon marantz trying to incorporate hdmi 2.1 into their 18gbps avr's it really requires a whole new bandwidth upgrade to 40/48gbp to handle these properly . So it logical that Emo was caught between a rock and a hard place -just like it was with momentum systems and dirac implementation

I hope all this is explained more in depth but Ime sure this will take some time as we understand the time taken so far on the 2.1 roadmap

With respect to the "upgrade", Emotiva has made it clear that they are offering a Trade-in for a brand new unit, so you don't have to wait for yours to be upgraded.
Of course you will have to wait for yours to ship in and for a new one to ship out.

[NicS]

Oct 13, 2022 21:55:04 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

Oct 13, 2022 20:45:29 GMT -5 NicS said:

As the cliche goes:
Those that do not heed the lessons of history are destined to make the same mistakes.

What exactly are you looking for? Perhaps there is a Monoprice HTP-1 in your future.

I dunno… maybe for the promises made of the equipment I bought to be made good on? At this stage I’m just feeling a bit bitter. I’ll get over it.

What are you looking for?

[PaulBe]

Oct 13, 2022 22:07:28 GMT -5 NicS said:

Oct 13, 2022 21:55:04 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

What exactly are you looking for? Perhaps there is a Monoprice HTP-1 in your future.

I dunno… maybe for the promises made of the equipment I bought to be made good on? At this stage I’m just feeling a bit bitter. I’ll get over it.

What are you looking for?

I'm looking for stability and function. I also expect the goalposts to have moved after 5 years in a remarkably changing field. Something you know about considering your professional position.

[NicS]

Oct 13, 2022 22:20:27 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

Oct 13, 2022 22:07:28 GMT -5 NicS said:

I dunno… maybe for the promises made of the equipment I bought to be made good on? At this stage I’m just feeling a bit bitter. I’ll get over it.

What are you looking for?

I'm looking for stability and function. I also expect the goalposts to have moved after 5 years in a remarkably changing field. Something you you know about considering your professional position.

The goal posts? Most of my peers shoot high end productions on sub-4K cameras at 24fps, cresting images that have a real world resolution of around 1k. The goals posts I believe are deceptively slow to change. What does change is hype. Chasing 8k and HDMI 2.1 isn’t a sign of progress; it’s the sound of marketing. Unless you are a gamer, in which case let’s play Borderlands…

[PaulBe]

Oct 13, 2022 22:30:30 GMT -5 NicS said:

Oct 13, 2022 22:20:27 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

I'm looking for stability and function. I also expect the goalposts to have moved after 5 years in a remarkably changing field. Something you you know about considering your professional position.

The goal posts? Most of my peers shoot high end productions on sub-4K cameras at 24fps, cresting images that have a real world resolution of around 1k. The goals posts I believe are deceptively slow to change. What does change is hype. Chasing 8k and HDMI 2.1 isn’t a sign of progress; it’s the sound of marketing. Unless you are a gamer, in which case let’s play Borderlands…

Just to be clear here -  Are you asking for 1K ar 24fps? What game are we playing? What border are we encroaching?

The market includes different requirements. I don't game. I don't care. Someone else will care.

The Game doesn't depend on me. It Includes me.

[NicS]

Oct 13, 2022 22:42:27 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

Oct 13, 2022 22:30:30 GMT -5 NicS said:

The goal posts? Most of my peers shoot high end productions on sub-4K cameras at 24fps, cresting images that have a real world resolution of around 1k. The goals posts I believe are deceptively slow to change. What does change is hype. Chasing 8k and HDMI 2.1 isn’t a sign of progress; it’s the sound of marketing. Unless you are a gamer, in which case let’s play Borderlands…

Just to be clear here -  Are you asking for 1K ar 24fps? What game are we playing? What border are we encroaching?

The market includes different requirements. I don't game. I don't care. Someone else will care.

The Game doesn't depend on me. It Includes me.

I’m trying to point out that chasing specifications does not reflect the reality of what we mostly watch.

I assume you watch mostly movies and TV drama. Which is why you buy expensive equipment to enhance your enjoyment. I was merely pointing out the reality of real-world image resolution. Outside of graphics, actual image resolution is for most content of this type is much lower than you think.

Anyway, not here to argue the realities of cinematography. I get enough of that during daylong hours.

[PaulBe]

Oct 13, 2022 22:58:59 GMT -5 NicS said:

Oct 13, 2022 22:42:27 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

Just to be clear here -  Are you asking for 1K ar 24fps? What game are we playing? What border are we encroaching?

The market includes different requirements. I don't game. I don't care. Someone else will care.

The Game doesn't depend on me. It Includes me.

I’m trying to point out that chasing specifications does not reflect the reality of what we mostly watch.

I assume you watch mostly movies and TV drama. Which is why you buy expensive equipment to enhance your enjoyment. I was merely pointing out the reality of real-world image resolution. Outside of graphics, actual image resolution is for most content of this type is much lower than you think.

Anyway, not here to argue the realities of cinematography. I get enough of that during daylong hours.

Again, Anyway - Just to be clear here. If EMO meets requirements above what I require. That is ok with me.

I miss your pink helmet.

[NicS]

Oct 13, 2022 23:16:01 GMT -5 PaulBe said:

Oct 13, 2022 22:58:59 GMT -5 NicS said:

I’m trying to point out that chasing specifications does not reflect the reality of what we mostly watch.

I assume you watch mostly movies and TV drama. Which is why you buy expensive equipment to enhance your enjoyment. I was merely pointing out the reality of real-world image resolution. Outside of graphics, actual image resolution is for most content of this type is much lower than you think.

Anyway, not here to argue the realities of cinematography. I get enough of that during daylong hours.

Again - Just to be clear here. If EMO meets requirements above what I require. That is ok with me.

I both respect and agree with that. Though my beef is with how my RMC-1L has never performed reliably or completely to the specifications advertised.