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Post by ttocs on Nov 20, 2020 23:00:11 GMT -5
Emotiva Dirac vid says, Master volume at -37.5db and Mic volume at +10.1db. Is this correct ? And the green lines don't show up on my version ?? Dirac has changed things on recent versions, so the video made in July will not match the current version of Dirac.
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Post by marcl on Nov 21, 2020 6:38:40 GMT -5
Emotiva Dirac vid says, Master volume at -37.5db and Mic volume at +10.1db. Is this correct ? And the green lines don't show up on my version ?? There's been a lot of back and forth on how to set levels. The Emotiva video is indeed outdated. There are some resources on the first page of this thread. Dirac has implemented some controls to help prevent people from frying speakers. But basically, some of us have corresponded with Dirac Dir-ectly and here's the bottom line: 1 - leave the Mic at 100% 2 - Determine the lowest efficiency speaker and raise the master until that speaker is in the shaded zone 3 - Adjust all the other speakers to be approximately the same. As long as Dirac runs the calibration without aborting with an error saying the level was either too high or too low, it's fine. That was an answer I got last week ... as long as there is no error, exact levels don't matter.
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Post by bitzerjdb on Nov 21, 2020 7:58:55 GMT -5
I updated Dirac to 3.11 and reloaded the filters onto my RMC-1. Damn, it does sound better. I was switching back and forth between the +4 and +6 Harmon curve last night and this time around found the +4 sounded the best. Also compared it to the Stock curve, and it was much more to my liking. I didn't think a software version would make a difference, but it did. I was on 3.9 previously.
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Post by tcoble3 on Nov 21, 2020 8:39:42 GMT -5
HA! Yep, aside from some of the usual intermittent networking/connectivity gremlins, everything ran smoothly thanks to your explanation. Fortunately, I'm happy with the original Dirac results, so I didn't have to play with the target curve; I just needed to get it to load for the second preset. Once I achieved that, the only dialing in I had to do to make things suitable for music listening was to dial down the levels on my two subs, then associate the HDMI input for my Mac Mini (my primary music source) with the second preset. I'm now officially an extremely happy camper!
Not to go off topic, but yesterday was kind of a milestone in that it was the first time that we've had a movie night since completing our theater room renovation and getting everything fully dialed in. Between having the Dirac/XMC-2 settings tweaked just right and having recently installed the latest firmware/DTM update on our JVC NX7, I feel like we finally got to experience the full capabilities of our setup. Mad Max Fury Road has never looked or sounded so good, and this morning my face still hurts from two hours of ear-to-ear grinning like a goofy little kid. Even if/when life gets back to normal, I'm hard pressed to imagine myself rushing out to 'settle' for seeing a movie in a theater.
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Post by richter250 on Nov 21, 2020 9:41:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great Dirac setup information guys! There is an easier way to load the same target curve for all the speaker groups instead of having to find the curve and load it for each grouo of speakers. Just place all speakers into one large group - load the target curve - then separate the speakers back into their individual groups. Saves a little time and hassle.
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Post by geebo on Nov 21, 2020 9:53:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great Dirac setup information guys! There is an easier way to load the same target curve for all the speaker groups instead of having to find the curve and load it for each grouo of speakers. Just place all speakers into one large group - load the target curve - then separate the speakers back into their individual groups. Saves a little time and hassle. Or when loading a target curve you are given to opportunity to click on which groups you want to apply it to.
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Post by motogp34 on Nov 21, 2020 10:12:59 GMT -5
Emotiva Dirac vid says, Master volume at -37.5db and Mic volume at +10.1db. Is this correct ? And the green lines don't show up on my version ?? There's been a lot of back and forth on how to set levels. The Emotiva video is indeed outdated. There are some resources on the first page of this thread. Dirac has implemented some controls to help prevent people from frying speakers. But basically, some of us have corresponded with Dirac Dir-ectly and here's the bottom line: 1 - leave the Mic at 100% 2 - Determine the lowest efficiency speaker and raise the master until that speaker is in the shaded zone 3 - Adjust all the other speakers to be approximately the same. As long as Dirac runs the calibration without aborting with an error saying the level was either too high or too low, it's fine. That was an answer I got last week ... as long as there is no error, exact levels don't matter. I`ve ran Dirac a few times and sounds like crap. I'll try again with new settings...
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Post by ttocs on Nov 21, 2020 10:27:36 GMT -5
There's been a lot of back and forth on how to set levels. The Emotiva video is indeed outdated. There are some resources on the first page of this thread. Dirac has implemented some controls to help prevent people from frying speakers. But basically, some of us have corresponded with Dirac Dir-ectly and here's the bottom line: 1 - leave the Mic at 100% 2 - Determine the lowest efficiency speaker and raise the master until that speaker is in the shaded zone 3 - Adjust all the other speakers to be approximately the same. As long as Dirac runs the calibration without aborting with an error saying the level was either too high or too low, it's fine. That was an answer I got last week ... as long as there is no error, exact levels don't matter. I`ve ran Dirac a few times and sounds like crap. I'll try again with new settings... You might want to try adjusting the treble curtain. Maybe do just a one mic point Dirac run, then pull the curtain down so Dirac adjusts at a lower frequency on the treble side. Doing this is to help diagnose what the issue might be. I happen to like it better than calibrating the upper frequencies. Of course, like a lot of issues with audio systems, it's system dependent - including the room - on how much success there might be.
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Post by tngiloy on Nov 21, 2020 11:06:43 GMT -5
I just tried opening Dirac without hooking up the box and network to see if I can update to 3.11 and it offered an update to 3.05 (obviously I don't use Dirac as often as many here), so apparently I need to hook up the box to update, and will need it all hooked up (minus my mic) to load it into the RMC-1. This much I understand.
I do want to update my files and have them recalculated with 3.11- not do all new readings, just use my present file and apply whatever new voodoo that Dirac has added since I did my readings originally. Will just updating the firmware automatically apply the voodoo to my saved files just by opening those files, and automatically download into the slots in my RMC-1? Or do I need to click on a 'recalculate' button somewhere within Dirac and then force a download? Can I recalculate a tweaked file, or do I need to recalculate the base file and then add tweaks? To be clear I added something similar to the Harmon curve and saved with a different file name.
Sorry if these questions have been answered, but I don't want to be in the middle of doing it and have a bunch of questions. Thanks.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 21, 2020 11:17:50 GMT -5
I just tried opening Dirac without hooking up the box and network to see if I can update to 3.11 and it offered an update to 3.05 (obviously I don't use Dirac as often as many here), so apparently I need to hook up the box to update, and will need it all hooked up (minus my mic) to load it into the RMC-1. This much I understand. Go to the second post of this thread, click on the link for Dirac next to the note in red that says: "Get Dirac Software Here". This will take you to Dirac to get the latest version.I do want to update my files and have them recalculated with 3.11- not do all new readings, just use my present file and apply whatever new voodoo that Dirac has added since I did my readings originally. Will just updating the firmware automatically apply the voodoo to my saved files just by opening those files, and automatically download into the slots in my RMC-1? After installing the latest version of Dirac, you can then load your saved Project and the recalculation process can begin. When it's completed, save the Project under a new name and the newly calculated filters can then be loaded into the processor slots.
Or do I need to click on a 'recalculate' button somewhere within Dirac and then force a download? Maybe someone else will confirm, but from memory I believe once the saved Project is loaded the recalc begins.Can I recalculate a tweaked file, or do I need to recalculate the base file and then add tweaks? To be clear I added something similar to the Harmon curve and saved with a different file name. However the Project was saved is what will be recalculated.Sorry if these questions have been answered, but I don't want to be in the middle of doing it and have a bunch of questions. Thanks. There's always more questions. As soon as I post something, another thought quite often pops into my head.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 21, 2020 12:10:08 GMT -5
There's been a lot of back and forth on how to set levels. The Emotiva video is indeed outdated. There are some resources on the first page of this thread. Dirac has implemented some controls to help prevent people from frying speakers. But basically, some of us have corresponded with Dirac Dir-ectly and here's the bottom line: 1 - leave the Mic at 100% 2 - Determine the lowest efficiency speaker and raise the master until that speaker is in the shaded zone 3 - Adjust all the other speakers to be approximately the same. As long as Dirac runs the calibration without aborting with an error saying the level was either too high or too low, it's fine. That was an answer I got last week ... as long as there is no error, exact levels don't matter. I`ve ran Dirac a few times and sounds like crap. I'll try again with new settings... Do you still have the extreme dip in the treble area? Or was that someone else? Use the curtains to NOT change above 10khz, maybe even as low as 8khz. Never try to change too much, try to follow the speakers as much as possible. Above 500hz is mostly the speakers. 500hz and lower is the room.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 21, 2020 12:12:38 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great Dirac setup information guys! There is an easier way to load the same target curve for all the speaker groups instead of having to find the curve and load it for each grouo of speakers. Just place all speakers into one large group - load the target curve - then separate the speakers back into their individual groups. Saves a little time and hassle. In the menu for loading targets curves you can choose to add it to all groups. This MUST be the simplest way?
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 21, 2020 12:27:49 GMT -5
I just tried opening Dirac without hooking up the box and network to see if I can update to 3.11 and it offered an update to 3.05 (obviously I don't use Dirac as often as many here), so apparently I need to hook up the box to update, and will need it all hooked up (minus my mic) to load it into the RMC-1. This much I understand. Go to the second post of this thread, click on the link for Dirac next to the note in red that says: "Get Dirac Software Here". This will take you to Dirac to get the latest version.I do want to update my files and have them recalculated with 3.11- not do all new readings, just use my present file and apply whatever new voodoo that Dirac has added since I did my readings originally. Will just updating the firmware automatically apply the voodoo to my saved files just by opening those files, and automatically download into the slots in my RMC-1? After installing the latest version of Dirac, you can then load your saved Project and the recalculation process can begin. When it's completed, save the Project under a new name and the newly calculated filters can then be loaded into the processor slots.
Or do I need to click on a 'recalculate' button somewhere within Dirac and then force a download? Maybe someone else will confirm, but from memory I believe once the saved Project is loaded the recalc begins.Can I recalculate a tweaked file, or do I need to recalculate the base file and then add tweaks? To be clear I added something similar to the Harmon curve and saved with a different file name. However the Project was saved is what will be recalculated.Sorry if these questions have been answered, but I don't want to be in the middle of doing it and have a bunch of questions. Thanks. There's always more questions. As soon as I post something, another thought quite often pops into my head. Yes it will recalculate automatically when after loading a project. But only if the project was saved in a previous version of Dirac. Each project has to be recalculated and the filters sent to the processor.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 21, 2020 12:40:51 GMT -5
I just tried opening Dirac without hooking up the box and network to see if I can update to 3.11 and it offered an update to 3.05 (obviously I don't use Dirac as often as many here), so apparently I need to hook up the box to update, and will need it all hooked up (minus my mic) to load it into the RMC-1. This much I understand. I do want to update my files and have them recalculated with 3.11- not do all new readings, just use my present file and apply whatever new voodoo that Dirac has added since I did my readings originally. Will just updating the firmware automatically apply the voodoo to my saved files just by opening those files, and automatically download into the slots in my RMC-1? Or do I need to click on a 'recalculate' button somewhere within Dirac and then force a download? Can I recalculate a tweaked file, or do I need to recalculate the base file and then add tweaks? To be clear I added something similar to the Harmon curve and saved with a different file name. Sorry if these questions have been answered, but I don't want to be in the middle of doing it and have a bunch of questions. Thanks. No need to remeasure unless something has changed in your room. Dirac recalculates based on the curve. Any βtweakβ you have saved into a project Dirac will try to follow as usual.
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Post by marcl on Nov 21, 2020 13:10:19 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great Dirac setup information guys! There is an easier way to load the same target curve for all the speaker groups instead of having to find the curve and load it for each grouo of speakers. Just place all speakers into one large group - load the target curve - then separate the speakers back into their individual groups. Saves a little time and hassle. In the menu for loading targets curves you can choose to add it to all groups. This MUST be the simplest way? What I would really like is first, for Dirac to remember a default Group configuration so I don't need to pull my tops and surrounds into four separate Groups every time I calibrate. So then I'd like to be able to save a set of Target Curves as defaults, associated with the default Groups. And Curtains, while we're at it ... so just have a button that says "Set as Default" and have Groups, Target Curves and Curtains come up the same every time.
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Post by multicore on Nov 21, 2020 19:07:33 GMT -5
After spending over 3 hours trying to get a 13 point measurement (kept going between clipping and low SNR), I was finall able to complete filter design. But now the proceed to filter export is grayed out and I cannot create filters. As far as I can tell everything looks fine, I am connected to the XMC-2. Am I missing a step? I sure don't see anything missing in Dirac. There are no error messages. I can back-up and adjust the filter design, I just cannot move to the next step. I am running Dirac 3.0.11, latest FW on XMC-2. I have previously loaded one filter set which is displayed on the left.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 21, 2020 19:31:06 GMT -5
After spending over 3 hours trying to get a 13 point measurement (kept going between clipping and low SNR), I was finall able to complete filter design. But now the proceed to filter export is grayed out and I cannot create filters. As far as I can tell everything looks fine, I am connected to the XMC-2. Am I missing a step? I sure don't see anything missing in Dirac. There are no error messages. I can back-up and adjust the filter design, I just cannot move to the next step. I am running Dirac 3.0.11, latest FW on XMC-2. I have previously loaded one filter set which is displayed on the left. My guess would be that there is a LOT of computing going on in the background. Can't think of anything else that might be an issue. I know it takes longer with more points, but I don't know how long it would take for 13, I've only done 7 a couple times, and mostly just do 5.
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Post by motogp34 on Nov 21, 2020 21:01:55 GMT -5
How do you import a harmon curve ?
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Post by multicore on Nov 22, 2020 1:40:00 GMT -5
After spending over 3 hours trying to get a 13 point measurement (kept going between clipping and low SNR), I was finall able to complete filter design. But now the proceed to filter export is grayed out and I cannot create filters. As far as I can tell everything looks fine, I am connected to the XMC-2. Am I missing a step? I sure don't see anything missing in Dirac. There are no error messages. I can back-up and adjust the filter design, I just cannot move to the next step. I am running Dirac 3.0.11, latest FW on XMC-2. I have previously loaded one filter set which is displayed on the left. My guess would be that there is a LOT of computing going on in the background. Can't think of anything else that might be an issue. I know it takes longer with more points, but I don't know how long it would take for 13, I've only done 7 a couple times, and mostly just do 5. I can't get to the point where it calculates the filters, the last button to go to filter creation is not available. I can only think that there has been data corruption and that I need to start over again.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 22, 2020 1:48:50 GMT -5
My guess would be that there is a LOT of computing going on in the background. Can't think of anything else that might be an issue. I know it takes longer with more points, but I don't know how long it would take for 13, I've only done 7 a couple times, and mostly just do 5. I can't get to the point where it calculates the filters, the last button to go to filter creation is not available. I can only think that there has been data corruption and that I need to start over again. aaaahhh, too bad. I was going in and out of Dirac all night testing some things. I looked for anything that might grey-out that button, but couldn't come up with anything. sorry. I think you're right about the corruption. weird. Just for a sanity check, try just one mic point and see what happens.
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