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Post by mack71 on Oct 4, 2020 14:50:49 GMT -5
I have three XPR-1's and two XPR-5's for my RMC-1 and I can't imagine anything better. When i show off my system to anyone they cant believe how epic it sounds. It would take a lot of money for me to part with them that's for sure! I had a double impacte. I sold it. It was the Xpr 1 that sounded bad, it was too thick on the bass, not enough air and resolution. Eric suggested a small correction, namely replacing the resistors in front of the crossover, but I gave up such fun  |
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Post by mack71 on Oct 4, 2020 15:02:29 GMT -5
Wow people willing to spend that much? Ok here is a offer to sell my 3 XPR-1s and 2 XPR-5s all 5 XPR amps picked up in Rhode Island for $10,000. That's one XPR-1 each for the front 3 channels LCR fully balanced and the 2 XPR 5s for the surrounds and height channels. When Mariusz heard Jamo 909 playing with the XPR 1 and the Mcintosh c2500 (I had it then), he didn't think long and gave me $ 4500. In Europe, the prices of products from your market are higher, ... so they find it hard to compete, ... the Chinese attack everywhere  |
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 15:09:55 GMT -5
I find that the XPR-1's sound fantastic with my double impacts, and my matching center channel speaker. Anyone seriously interested can certainly hear the set up before buying them and they are mint. I also have some of the original boxes for them as well.
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Post by mack71 on Oct 4, 2020 15:28:41 GMT -5
I find that the XPR-1's sound fantastic with my double impacts, and my matching center channel speaker. Anyone seriously interested can certainly hear the set up before buying them and they are mint. I also have some of the original boxes for them as well. Perhaps the RMCL does a good job with the XPR1, also other room acoustics can make a difference. This confirms the principle that the speakers will sound slightly different in every other room. The main thing is to be satisfied yourself |
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 4, 2020 15:33:30 GMT -5
Wow people willing to spend that much? Ok here is a offer to sell my 3 XPR-1s and 2 XPR-5s all 5 XPR amps picked up in Rhode Island for $10,000. That's one XPR-1 each for the front 3 channels LCR fully balanced and the 2 XPR 5s for the surrounds and height channels. But what if someone is too far away. Are you willing to ship? That's the problem with these amps, they're too darn heavy! |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 4, 2020 16:15:27 GMT -5
Wow people willing to spend that much? Ok here is a offer to sell my 3 XPR-1s and 2 XPR-5s all 5 XPR amps picked up in Rhode Island for $10,000. That's one XPR-1 each for the front 3 channels LCR fully balanced and the 2 XPR 5s for the surrounds and height channels.  |
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -5
No shipping, like you said way too heavy, I would be afraid of possibility to damaging them in shipping. Pick up only. I love these amps anyway if someone cant get them for the price I would not be upset. I enjoy their sound and looks very much.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 4, 2020 16:32:30 GMT -5
I have three XPR-1's and two XPR-5's for my RMC-1 and I can't imagine anything better. When i show off my system to anyone they cant believe how epic it sounds. It would take a lot of money for me to part with them that's for sure! I had a double impacte. I sold it. It was the Xpr 1 that sounded bad, it was too thick on the bass, not enough air and resolution. Eric suggested a small correction, namely replacing the resistors in front of the crossover, but I gave up such fun View AttachmentUmmm how about those Canton ref 1's though??? Wow!  You got pics we can see?! |
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 16:54:24 GMT -5
Photos are too large to post here. Any serious buyers I would be more than happy to send to thru e-mail or if local and seriously interested are more than welcome to look and listen to at my home.
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Post by brutiarti on Oct 4, 2020 17:13:30 GMT -5
When I sold my Xpr-1’s I shipped them in a pallet, no problem at all.
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 17:23:15 GMT -5
I only have 2 original boxes for 2 XPR-1s and would need to find a way to safely put the other 3 XPRs in boxes and hope they all ship safely. If a potential buyer was willing to spend a lot to ship all 5 amplifiers and pay for 3 of them to be boxed I guess that would be fine but would think very expensive too?
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 17:25:34 GMT -5
Local pick up would be best. I know if I was to spend that kind of money I would want to see and hear them before purchasing but that's me and I'm definitely willing to demo them before buying.
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Post by leonski on Oct 4, 2020 19:05:17 GMT -5
I think that solid packaging is not a big cost, I had a Mcintosch mc 452, I have a Hegle H30 and they weigh the same as the Xpr 1, the packaging is inexpensive and solid (a bit thicker cardboard and stronger, well-wrapping foam -hard polyurethane ) I agree with mack71 , the mistake Emotiva made with the XPR series is that they treated the shipping container as a standard box and foam. Packaging science has come a very long way and these amps could be shipped without problems at a nominal fee. I have delicate products shipped across the country weekly with minimal cost and loss, theres no reason why these amps can’t be packaged to survive the same. Yes, these amps are heavy but its not like we move them often in our home. We set them and enjoy them. (I was going to say “forget them”, but how can you forget the lovely sound they make?) You almost HAD ME, right up to PALLET. Go price out a 100lb pallet ship and let me know. I recently sold a (around) 8" WWII Marine compass made by Lionel (Kids Trains maker). It cost me about 20$ for packing materials and the buy paid about 60$ pt 70$ for what ended up as a 27lb package. I CUSTOM Cut all the baffles / wall and even reinforced the box. I also secured the gimbal mount OF the compass so that didn't swing around and damage things......The nice young lady at the shipping place offered me a job RIGHT ON THE SPOT. Needless to say, it arrived in perfect shape. And? The people I sold it to had it on their site at 600$. My opinion, but I'd say that the difficulty / expense of packing and shipping goes up at the SQUARE of the weight increase and in proportion to the volume of the container. And as it turns out? NOBODY is willing to use shock watch damage sensors. THEY alone would save a lot of 'claims trouble' on the back end......My company used them for certain special shipments. |
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Post by mack71 on Oct 4, 2020 19:58:41 GMT -5
I had a double impacte. I sold it. It was the Xpr 1 that sounded bad, it was too thick on the bass, not enough air and resolution. Eric suggested a small correction, namely replacing the resistors in front of the crossover, but I gave up such fun View AttachmentUmmm how about those Canton ref 1's though??? Wow! You got pics we can see?! I've had them for three weeks and I'm happier every day, very natural, dynamic and detailed speakers, ... with very good bass, ... what I like      |
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Post by audiophill on Oct 4, 2020 20:07:38 GMT -5
Beautiful speakers!
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Post by mack71 on Oct 4, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
Thanks  |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 4, 2020 21:21:54 GMT -5
I agree with mack71 , the mistake Emotiva made with the XPR series is that they treated the shipping container as a standard box and foam. Packaging science has come a very long way and these amps could be shipped without problems at a nominal fee. I have delicate products shipped across the country weekly with minimal cost and loss, theres no reason why these amps can’t be packaged to survive the same. Yes, these amps are heavy but its not like we move them often in our home. We set them and enjoy them. (I was going to say “forget them”, but how can you forget the lovely sound they make?) You almost HAD ME, right up to PALLET. Go price out a 100lb pallet ship and let me know. I recently sold a (around) 8" WWII Marine compass made by Lionel (Kids Trains maker). It cost me about 20$ for packing materials and the buy paid about 60$ pt 70$ for what ended up as a 27lb package. I CUSTOM Cut all the baffles / wall and even reinforced the box. I also secured the gimbal mount OF the compass so that didn't swing around and damage things......The nice young lady at the shipping place offered me a job RIGHT ON THE SPOT. Needless to say, it arrived in perfect shape. And? The people I sold it to had it on their site at 600$. My opinion, but I'd say that the difficulty / expense of packing and shipping goes up at the SQUARE of the weight increase and in proportion to the volume of the container. And as it turns out? NOBODY is willing to use shock watch damage sensors. THEY alone would save a lot of 'claims trouble' on the back end......My company used them for certain special shipments. Ive witnessed some state of the art packaging some 20 years ago, the science has grown exponentially to almost an art form. The machines custom make the foam (whatever substance it is) with automated machines. Blink and the shipping platform is made. Yes, perhaps a pallet but thats the cost of doing business. Still, pricing shouldn’t be prohibitive. maybe I was lucky but my heavyweight gear has always shipped FEDEX and has arrived in good shape. New technology will provide safe inexpensive solutions. |
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 5, 2020 6:27:44 GMT -5
Having the XPRs back would be cool. But lets get to reality here. Firstly, how heavy are these amps? Yeah you know how heavy. Costly to build, and ship. It was an exercise in what Emotiva could do. It was and is awesome sure. But almost 100 pounds or more shipped, this was not going to be a practical reality for Emotiva. Like it or not, shipping is expensive. Also the power supply on the XPR was not cheap either. There is no way Emotiva could build the XPR for the money you paid back then either. Economies of scale most likely don't make the XPR practical either. This is a ship by crate amplifier not a double box folks.
I loved the XPR when they were here too. Don't get me wrong. I think the tour de force that Emotiva made for real! They learned very much from that design. It helped make the DR the reality that it is. How many like that is up to conjecture and a conversation I don't need to entertain. I have heard the DR and they are very nice. I am only putting the reality card on the table here. Not popular but there it is. If you are willing to pay what mostly would be almost triple the price of what the XPR was now. I wonder if Dan would consider making these again. Each and everyone one of us knows the answer for ourselves.
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Post by audiobill on Oct 5, 2020 7:39:18 GMT -5
There are many powerful, high quality American made alternatives.....
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 5, 2020 10:29:55 GMT -5
The "new" XPR line should have the conventional power supply of the XPA-1, Generation 2. I did hear the difference between the XPA series and the XPR series, which is why I sold my XPR-2. The Class H power supply stole dynamics from the sound - the extra smoothness robbed the sound of live music from the XPR line. The XPA series (at the time, Generation 2) sounded livelier. So give me an XPA-1 (Gen. 2) power supply made with XPR quality parts, include a 10, 15, or 20-year warranty, and it'll sell. As audiobill says, there ARE many powerful, high-quality, American-made alternatives, but of the Emotiva products made, the XPA-1 series 2 was the high-water mark for sound quality. None of the Generation 3 products have equalled it (regardless of what Stereophile, or anyone else says). Class-H power supplies (as implemented currently by Emotiva) are not competitive with "conventional" power supplies in terms of audio sound quality - Period. If Emotiva wants to maintain their place in "highest quality stereo reproduction," then they have no alternative than but to supplement the current XPA line with something better-sounding. So the question is very simple: Has Emotiva lost their soul to Home Theater, or will they fight to preserve their former place in high-end stereo? I fear that I already know the answer. Boomzilla PS: I don't consider Class H power supply technology inherently inferior, but as currently implemented by Emotiva, I do consider the overall sound quality of current Generation 3 products (and previous XPR products) to be lacking. Further, I don't consider switching power supply technology with Class-D outputs (as implemented in the Emotiva PA-1 amplifiers) inferior to "conventional" technology. But Emotiva has not yet developed a XPA-series state-of-the-art switching-power-supply amplifier that has world-class sound either. We can all speculate on why... My best guess is that Emotiva's technical abilities have all been focused on Home Theater products and that stereo development has fallen by the wayside. And as always, I could be wrong. But the "why" (whatever it may be) does not alleviate the fact that Emotiva's Generation 3 XPA products are a step down in sound quality from their Generation 2 products. Emotiva can and should do better. |
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