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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:18:29 GMT -5
Little guy survived his surgery and is now home! Glad to hear he is doing better!!!! Thank you Soup! I think with the cone on his head I might nickname Asher, Radar! Wonder if he notices any acoustic changes wearing the cone while listening to music
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Post by daveczski65 on Nov 21, 2020 19:19:48 GMT -5
Thank you Soup! I think with the cone on his head I might nickname Asher, Radar! Wonder if he notices any acoustic changes wearing the cone while listening to music I couldn't help myself,,Nothing like a shaved *bleep*!! Ok got it out,,lol
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Post by garbulky on Nov 21, 2020 19:21:47 GMT -5
Good luck in your personal perspectives and self-evaluation of values. Good to hear about your pet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:22:52 GMT -5
Thank you Soup! I think with the cone on his head I might nickname Asher, Radar! Wonder if he notices any acoustic changes wearing the cone while listening to music I couldn't help myself,,Nothing like a shaved *bleep*!! Ok got it out,,lol ROFL, Now that you mention it I don't know whether the shaved "bleep*!! is irritating the little guy more than the stiches!
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Post by Soup on Nov 21, 2020 19:27:06 GMT -5
My buddy Brookyln (large orange Tabby) had his cone of shame off in 15 seconds once we returned home after surgery. He thought he was the cat's meow with his shaved belly. Most of all he loves taking pills! How crazy is he!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:29:38 GMT -5
My buddy Brookyln (large orange Tabby) had his cone of shame off in 15 seconds once we returned home after surgery. He thought he was the cat's meow with his shaved belly. Most of all he loves taking pills! How crazy is he! Hilarious. I took the cone off to allow him to eat left and came back momentarily to find his bandage off from his one leg. Put the cone back on and later checked on him and he got it off. Tough guy says cones are for wussies!
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Post by Zombie on Nov 21, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -5
Glad to hear the little guy is on the road to recovery. Heβs probably now feeling much better and will be back to normal in no time. Did you have to pay extra for a Cat Scan? Sorry, I just couldnβt resist that one...
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Post by brutiarti on Nov 21, 2020 22:45:47 GMT -5
Good news! 6 lives left
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Post by novisnick on Nov 21, 2020 23:26:51 GMT -5
Power of prayer and a skilled caring physician! πππ Great news, made my day that your family member will be around for some time now. πβ€οΈπ
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 22, 2020 12:26:54 GMT -5
My buddy Brookyln (large orange Tabby) had his cone of shame off in 15 seconds once we returned home after surgery. He thought he was the cat's meow with his shaved belly. Most of all he loves taking pills! How crazy is he! Hilarious. I took the cone off to allow him to eat left and came back momentarily to find his bandage off from his one leg. Put the cone back on and later checked on him and he got it off. Tough guy says cones are for wussies!Β Glad that little one is out of the woods....Our beloved creatures tear us up at timesβ€οΈ
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -5
...A woofer is normally the lowest driver in a speaker. The subwoofer is a separate powered speaker (I dislike speakers with a supposedly built it sub woofer, for obvious reasons)...I question the logic of your antipathy for built in subs. Yes, there is one negative - the speaker location for best imaging is virtually never the best speaker location for smooth bass. But in exchange for that minor impediment, you get not one but TWO powered subwoofers in the system and the benefit of smoother room response more than makes up for the slightly less ideal subwoofer location. Further, having only two speakers in the room (each with their internal powered sub) has far greater WAF than having two speakers and one or two additional butt-ugly black and massive subwoofer boxes, not to mention their additional power and signal wiring. And finally, having an integrated sub does away with the issues of choosing the proper subwoofer crossover frequency and slope. One also escapes the phase-matching and level-matching issues between the sub(s) and the main speakers. Having the manufacturer match the sub to the speaker also does away with the likelihood of hearing any discontinuity between the speakers and the subs. So for one (usually minor) negative, there are a BUNCH of positives in having a built-in, self-powered subwoofer in a pair of speakers. In short, I think your "obvious reasons" are conspicuous only in their absence, @tllfkacn . It is obvious to me that you obviously have no obvious knowledge about true subwoofers and their obvious place and function in a quality performing dynamic music and movie system (including THX level). Obviously ( ) some of the built-in sub speakers are very good performing and of course have that WAF for many wives. However, I run by my wife any purchase I make and she approves of our system with its large 12" sub, with nice satin black finish with inlaid Plexiglas that fits in very nicely next to the sofa versus several other possible placements. Many folks are in our room for some time before they even notice the sub. I have run a number of test and our sub performance is impressive in its current location. Plus she likes the fact that we have two very high quality R&L bookshelf speakers on thin stylish Bello stands plus one sub only rather than two large, bulky and heavy towers with built in subs. Our stunning Bello equipment rack, tall with a mix of metal, natural wood and glass is a matching classic. Those many positives are obvious to us but maybe not obvious to all, perhaps my mistake in my post. Def Tech, for example, has an excellent tower speaker with 12" built in sub. However this very tall 62 lb monolith beast with very low WAF has no place in our room. There are many additional negatives with built-in sub speakers that you obviously don't get and are conspicuous in their absence. Two Shay.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 23, 2020 13:38:09 GMT -5
Hi @tllfkacn -
You're absolutely right - Elegant stand-mounted speakers CAN be more attractive than bulky towers. They're also generally lighter and easier to move from "out of the way" to "best listening position" without a fork lift. And with such a system, the satellites can be placed where they image best AND the subs can be placed where they sound smoothest. I've been effectively Two-Shayed, thank you very much.
I've seen some "built-in-sub" DefTechs that the owners were thrilled with, and I've seen some satellite + sub systems that are both equally functional and highly attractive. In matters of taste, there can be no dispute.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 14:42:56 GMT -5
Just realized I hadn't updated the thread w/ my latest system/configuration. Here's the config up until a couple of months ago w/ one external subwoofer: And latest configuration: And since someone always asks to see w/out the grills [matrix image is photoshopped]:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 19:21:55 GMT -5
Shimei ..... Those big ass Ulfberht's have more drivers than my old hound dog Bogie had flees! I suppose they must sound pretty good. But are they as good as them Bose speakers? PS: My spell check app went bananas/haywire when it saw the word Ulfberht. Sort of sounds like what they used to yell at the Sturmabteilung Stormtroopers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 1:39:45 GMT -5
A little inexpensive aluminum Picatinny rail project going on tonight. My first attempts at amateur gun smithing. Got a Picatinny rail for M-Lok from Amazon then cut down the rail to fit a M&P 15-22 and installed a 45 degree mount also thinking ahead for an Olight flashlight. Drying high heat paint in the garage at 11 oclock pm. Gotta love late night projects! Perfecto!!!
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 9, 2020 2:18:06 GMT -5
@shimei - Looking at your setup, might I suggest a trick that has made HUGE improvements to my system (and continues to work magic with my Double Impacts)? I almost hate to say this to you, but spend some money and buy two 2x4x0.5 foot diffuser panels from ATS acoustics. Place them just inward of your speakers with the diffuser side pointed outward. The pair of diffusers will cost about $600 after shipping, but no other component has made SUCH a major improvement to the clarity and resolution of my system. And no matter what speakers or amplification you choose to use, the diffusers will just keep on giving. Previously in my room, vocal frequencies, in particular, had distortion. This was especially true as volumes rose (one of the many reasons why I've always listened at lower levels). But with the diffusers in place, the center image, in particular, and even the "outside the speakers" sound has lost that persistent midrange distortion. Now the articulation of voices and instruments is AT LEAST twice as good as it was PD (pre-diffusers). And I can also play the system significantly louder without it degrading into the "loud roar." I tried previously placing the diffusers along the walls, in corners, and behind the listening couch. But one day, I had so much other stuff in the living room that I chanced to place them on both sides of the listening couch and it was a "Wow" moment. But the WAF there was beyond the red line, and I had to move them somewhere. Having nowhere else to put them, I slid them across the room to the "between the speakers" position, and suddenly "Wow" became "OMG!" Move your subwoofer elsewhere. Get the two diffusers. You could even paint the diffusers to match your speakers. You can send me a check for thanks after you hear what they do for your system! Might I also suggest heavy drapes all the way from the corner to just past the first or second window on the left side of your setup. You might set the drapes such that they could be pulled back out of the way when not listening to the system. I know you're aware of this since I've seen you speak of it before, but the drapes will really make another significant improvement to your sound. And finally, lose the coffee table between the speakers and the listening couch. It's another reflective surface that's probably interfering with imaging. Cordially - Boom
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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 9, 2020 9:24:07 GMT -5
@shimei - Looking at your setup, might I suggest a trick that has made HUGE improvements to my system (and continues to work magic with my Double Impacts)? I almost hate to say this to you, but spend some money and buy two 2x4x0.5 foot diffuser panels from ATS acoustics. Place them just inward of your speakers with the diffuser side pointed outward. The pair of diffusers will cost about $600 after shipping, but no other component has made SUCH a major improvement to the clarity and resolution of my system. And no matter what speakers or amplification you choose to use, the diffusers will just keep on giving. Previously in my room, vocal frequencies, in particular, had distortion. This was especially true as volumes rose (one of the many reasons why I've always listened at lower levels). But with the diffusers in place, the center image, in particular, and even the "outside the speakers" sound has lost that persistent midrange distortion. Now the articulation of voices and instruments is AT LEAST twice as good as it was PD (pre-diffusers). And I can also play the system significantly louder without it degrading into the "loud roar." I tried previously placing the diffusers along the walls, in corners, and behind the listening couch. But one day, I had so much other stuff in the living room that I chanced to place them on both sides of the listening couch and it was a "Wow" moment. But the WAF there was beyond the red line, and I had to move them somewhere. Having nowhere else to put them, I slid them across the room to the "between the speakers" position, and suddenly "Wow" became "OMG!" Move your subwoofer elsewhere. Get the two diffusers. You could even paint the diffusers to match your speakers. You can send me a check for thanks after you hear what they do for your system! Might I also suggest heavy drapes all the way from the corner to just past the first or second window on the left side of your setup. You might set the drapes such that they could be pulled back out of the way when not listening to the system. I know you're aware of this since I've seen you speak of it before, but the drapes will really make another significant improvement to your sound. And finally, lose the coffee table between the speakers and the listening couch. It's another reflective surface that's probably interfering with imaging. Cordially - Boom I feared you were going to say this about the diffusers and the DI's, now I need to have difdusers.π
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 9, 2020 9:29:56 GMT -5
Hi foggy1956 - Well, the diffusers are NOT cheap. They're heavy and bulky, and too expensive to conveniently return if you don't like them. They're also big and ugly. I guess if you wanted to be creative, you could paint them in multiple colors to blend with your room, or cover them in burlap, but no matter what you do, they're still going to be low WAF for most couples. But I'd still recommend them. Best $600 I've spent!! Boomzilla
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 12:15:49 GMT -5
@shimei - Looking at your setup, might I suggest a trick that has made HUGE improvements to my system (and continues to work magic with my Double Impacts)? I almost hate to say this to you, but spend some money and buy two 2x4x0.5 foot diffuser panels from ATS acoustics. Place them just inward of your speakers with the diffuser side pointed outward. The pair of diffusers will cost about $600 after shipping, but no other component has made SUCH a major improvement to the clarity and resolution of my system. And no matter what speakers or amplification you choose to use, the diffusers will just keep on giving. Previously in my room, vocal frequencies, in particular, had distortion. This was especially true as volumes rose (one of the many reasons why I've always listened at lower levels). But with the diffusers in place, the center image, in particular, and even the "outside the speakers" sound has lost that persistent midrange distortion. Now the articulation of voices and instruments is AT LEAST twice as good as it was PD (pre-diffusers). And I can also play the system significantly louder without it degrading into the "loud roar." I tried previously placing the diffusers along the walls, in corners, and behind the listening couch. But one day, I had so much other stuff in the living room that I chanced to place them on both sides of the listening couch and it was a "Wow" moment. But the WAF there was beyond the red line, and I had to move them somewhere. Having nowhere else to put them, I slid them across the room to the "between the speakers" position, and suddenly "Wow" became "OMG!" Move your subwoofer elsewhere. Get the two diffusers. You could even paint the diffusers to match your speakers. You can send me a check for thanks after you hear what they do for your system! Might I also suggest heavy drapes all the way from the corner to just past the first or second window on the left side of your setup. You might set the drapes such that they could be pulled back out of the way when not listening to the system. I know you're aware of this since I've seen you speak of it before, but the drapes will really make another significant improvement to your sound. And finally, lose the coffee table between the speakers and the listening couch. It's another reflective surface that's probably interfering with imaging. Cordially - Boom Thanks for the tips Boom! But my wife might kill me! I realize the coffee table does indeed add a reflective surface. At least according to Dirac Live there's irregular dips that form from the center channel in the 50-75hz range. I kinda compensated for this by high passing my center channel at 70hz. The dips were definitely resolved by adding a blanket over the table during testing. I then removed the blanket and measured having Dirac Live compensate for the reflective surface. I haven't any complaints as is now clarity wise from the center channel's dialogue etc. I have nowhere to move my subs that I could visually/symmetrically live w/. However, along the left wall below the windows between each potted plant there are two spaces I think two Tekton 21" subwoofers might fit perfectly Again, I am a couple of years out before making any more expensive additions or upgrades. Room treatment will continue as I do have an idea pertaining to a sound absorber or diffuser in front of the TV that addresses form as well as function. That won't take place though until sometime mid next year. I'm curious as to the result whether or not my 3 channel imaging would be less affected because of having a center channel rather than a phantom. I'll experiment next time I take some measurements w/ a blanket over the TV just to see how things may change. My idea is a rail above the TV that diffusers or sound absorbers which may hang and slide over to cover the TV. Kinda like some rail systems used for doors. I don't think this would be a very expensive project going absorber route. Just hardware/rails and absorbers each wide enough to cover the screen.
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 9, 2020 13:14:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips Boom! But my wife might kill me!... As an architect friend once said: "Repeat after me - Form follows function - form follows function - form follows function!"
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