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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 24, 2021 9:50:22 GMT -5
A NAS is always on line, so reliability will be generally lower than a drive that only spins when it is being used (unless there are NAS boxes that auto sleep when not needed). But I think that the USB sticks that I've selected are nearly unbeatable:
Much smaller than conventional drives
No heat
Ideal for write-once, read-many service
Significantly cheaper than conventional drives (where else can you get 1TB storage for $10?)
More than fast enough for music
What's not to like?
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 10:22:34 GMT -5
Roon user since 2018. Core runs on a Surface tablet, endpoint is an oppo 203 and library is stored on a NAS. Flawless for 3 plus years. Your over complicating things as usual. Cut out half the gear, get twice the performance. Or get a harmony remote and program a macro to fire up your system when shut down.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 24, 2021 11:32:41 GMT -5
Roon user since 2018. Core runs on a Surface tablet, endpoint is an oppo 203 and library is stored on a NAS. Flawless for 3 plus years. Your over complicating things as usual. Cut out half the gear, get twice the performance. Or get a harmony remote and program a macro to fire up your system when shut down. I'm very happy that your system works for you. It wouldn't work for me, though: 1. I hate Surface tablets 2. I had an Oppo, but the FedEx driver stole it 3. My RAID box is not NAS compatible 4. Logitech has discontinued the Harmony remote I'll find a way to make do with what I've got, thanks. |
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Post by audiobill on Sept 24, 2021 12:03:46 GMT -5
Boom, would using a Roon nucleus avoid these issues?
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 12:48:55 GMT -5
Didn't say you needed a surface or oppo. Run core on your iPad, store on a NAS, send to an endpoint, remove the Mac mini Not sure why you ignore most peoples advice on roon when you haven't had a stable setup with any of the options you've tried. Much easier to blame the software than the setup. Good luck with the latest idea to use multiple jump drives for storage, sounds way more reliable than a $160 WD 4tb My Cloud NAS. Better yet, since you insist on using Apple products, you should be running Audirvana. It would be better for all.
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Post by audiobill on Sept 24, 2021 12:50:09 GMT -5
Roon core doesn’t run on ipads or iphones. Only on a computer.
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 12:53:24 GMT -5
Boom, would using a Roon nucleus avoid these issues? He reviewed one. |
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Post by audiobill on Sept 24, 2021 12:53:47 GMT -5
I know that.
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 13:03:25 GMT -5
Roon core doesn’t run on ipads or iphones. Only on a computer. Didn't know that about core. Another reason to use Audirvana which was built for Mac. It can be installed directly installed on a Nas and controlled via iPad, eliminating an unnecessary component. |
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Post by audiobill on Sept 24, 2021 13:07:09 GMT -5
Cody, it appears you may benefit from studying up on Roon.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 24, 2021 13:13:08 GMT -5
Boom, would using a Roon nucleus avoid these issues? It would not. The problem is not with the Roon core, but rather with the properties of external storage. |
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 13:14:06 GMT -5
It seems he has a Mac book pro around the house that core could be ran from as well. Maybe the Mac mini serves as an endpoint. Just assuming he has a dac as an endpoint.
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Post by codyjenkins on Sept 24, 2021 13:17:58 GMT -5
Cody, it appears you may benefit from studying up on Roon. Because l was not aware that you can't install core on an ipad? Thanks for the concern, but roon works great for me. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 24, 2021 13:18:45 GMT -5
Cody, it appears you may benefit from studying up on Roon. is doing his best to help, and I appreciate it greatly. The surface notebook is more like a PC with a built-in screen, and less like a usual tablet. OTOH, if I use a NAS, then I need (again) to use Ethernet or wireless for connection AND (unless I populate the NAS with solid state drives) I still have drives spinning 24/7 even when they aren't being used. But Cody is right - even if a drive failed, conventional drives are dirt cheap. It's worth considering. |
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Post by fbczar on Sept 24, 2021 22:42:41 GMT -5
A NAS is always on line, so reliability will be generally lower than a drive that only spins when it is being used (unless there are NAS boxes that auto sleep when not needed). But I think that the USB sticks that I've selected are nearly unbeatable: Much smaller than conventional drives No heat Ideal for write-once, read-many service Significantly cheaper than conventional drives (where else can you get 1TB storage for $10?) More than fast enough for music What's not to like? Boom, Perhaps the following is self serving on the part of the manufacturer, but the drives in a NAS are considerably more reliable than a standard hard drive. From the Synology site: “Continuous operation and RAID configuration are what makes NAS HDDs stand out from desktop HDDs. A NAS HDD is designed to run for weeks on end, while a desktop HDD can only read and write data for hours at a time. A NAS HDD is also built specifically for RAID setup. By combining multiple drives into one single logical unit, RAID configurations provide data redundancy, thus protecting data against drive failures.” |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 24, 2021 22:54:25 GMT -5
They’re called “Enterprise drives.”
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Post by fbczar on Sept 25, 2021 9:23:32 GMT -5
They’re called “Enterprise drives.” Exactly. In my experience the Enterprise drives used in a NAS, like the WD Red, are extremely reliable. And in a RAID configuration are ideal for the safety of a music or video configuration. Anyway, I think a NAS is a great choice for music files. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Sept 25, 2021 17:33:58 GMT -5
For Roon core, I use an Intel NUC running the Rock operating system. My music is on an external hard drive the I’ve connected to the NUC via USB 3.
I can access the music files from anywhere using a UNC share.
It works perfectly and requires zero maintenance- it’s truly an appliance type answer. I work in InfoSec and I have a solution that is secure and maintenance free. What else could anyone ask for?
PS. I backup to Dropbox and one of my PCs from which it’s also backed up to a cloud backup solution.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 26, 2021 15:58:15 GMT -5
HDD Peculiarity-
I leave my music server computer running all the time. When I want to use it, I turn on the TV screen & switch inputs (to the computer). The USB HDD stays on with the computer, and should be "always available." But when I switch the monitor on, sometimes I see two or three error messages saying that the USB HDD was disconnected without being ejected properly. Sometimes the USB HDD icon is still there and the USB HDD is connected at the time of turning the monitor on, other times, the USB HDD is disconnected from the computer, and I have to reestablish the connection. Both the computer and the USB HDD are plugged into a UPS and there's no evidence of power fluctuation.
So far, I've changed the USB cable just to make sure that it isn't flaky and I've also checked the power saving options (don't put hard discs to sleep, etc.).
Any ideas?
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Post by garbulky on Sept 26, 2021 21:02:56 GMT -5
HDD Peculiarity- I leave my music server computer running all the time. When I want to use it, I turn on the TV screen & switch inputs (to the computer). The USB HDD stays on with the computer, and should be "always available." But when I switch the monitor on, sometimes I see two or three error messages saying that the USB HDD was disconnected without being ejected properly. Sometimes the USB HDD icon is still there and the USB HDD is connected at the time of turning the monitor on, other times, the USB HDD is disconnected from the computer, and I have to reestablish the connection. Both the computer and the USB HDD are plugged into a UPS and there's no evidence of power fluctuation. So far, I've changed the USB cable just to make sure that it isn't flaky and I've also checked the power saving options (don't put hard discs to sleep, etc.). Any ideas? Sounds like it's a power saver setting. Not sure what OS you use. You may have to tell the computer to leave the USB or the hard drives on all the time. Perhaps you have to disable sleep mode for the entire computer. |
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