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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 26, 2021 22:55:58 GMT -5
Thanks, garbulky - I went through and rechecked each of those settings again this evening. I'll let you know in the morning if they worked. Night one = No error messages & the drive is still connected. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 29, 2021 14:09:47 GMT -5
Not a Roon user, but do follow Wyred4Sound, if any of you use their Roon server, you might be interested in this update. Wyred4Sound Roon Server Update |
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Post by SteveH on Oct 31, 2021 17:19:17 GMT -5
I've about concluded that there are but two solutions to this issue: 1. Use the computer's internal SSD drive (no moving parts) and allow the machine to sleep (subject to "wake on LAN"). This maximizes convenience, but simultaneously limits the music library to the amount of free space on the internal SSD. or 2. Manually shut down the computer and external drive after each use. This would mean that every time I wanted to hear music again, I'd have to manually restart the system from its sleep state by: a) turning on the television b) switching TV inputs to the Roon computer c) using the wireless mouse to wake the Roon computer d) using the wireless keyboard to enter the Roon computer's password e) starting the external USB drive and waiting for it to spin up f) waiting for the Roon computer to recognize the external USB drive g) starting Roon and waiting for it to recognize the external USB drive h) starting the iPad and waiting for it to connect to the wireless network i) starting Roon Remote on the iPad and waiting for it to connect to the Roon core j) waiting for the album artwork to synchronize between the Roon core and Roon Remote k) turning off the TV for the duration of the listening session Apparently, the only good solution to this is to await the availability of inexpensive, large capacity (4TB or greater) SSD chips. An intermediate alternate might be to use what storage is available on the internal SSD and simultaneously use an external SSD for the remainder of the library. That would eliminate the external drive spinning continuously (and the accompanying heat issue). In fact, multiple external USB SSDs might be used simultaneously to reduce cost... Just a thought. The sweet spot, cost-wise seems to be 1 or 2TB SSD drives. I can buy 4TB of storage in no-name Chinese ones for $40. I already have USB3 port expanders laying around, so I'd just plug them in and distribute the music among the drives. Roon can use them all simultaneously as sources. In fact, I could also plug a bunch of the cheap drives in and then use Mac OS to form them all into a virtual RAID with data redundancy. That way, even if a stick failed, I'd just plug in a fresh one, and the RAID would repopulate the data. If I wanted to do RAID in hardware instead of using the Mac software, I've already got the RAID box. To use the hardware solution, though, I'd want to use RAID-10 (that provides but half the actual storage space of the RAID). So 8TB of actual space would provide 4TB of fully-redundant data. The goal, ultimately, is to maximize convenience and simultaneously eliminate the wear and tear of having drives spinning continuously. I think that SSD is going to be the only feasible solution. So I've ordered two of these. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08RXQSFKP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Since these will be "write-once, read-many" devices, the reliablity should be pretty good. Have you considered setting up a NAS? You can place it anywhere, heat is no issue and space is no issue if you plan well and set up as a RAID they are great for music library’s. You can use an SSD in a NAS, but the available spinning drives like the WD Red are economical. I have been running my Roon core and library on a QNAP NAS that is 100% SSD for two years and it rarely has issues. The issues I have encounter were corrected by rebooting my Ethernet switch. |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 1, 2021 17:06:16 GMT -5
I've about concluded that there are but two solutions to this issue: 1. Use the computer's internal SSD drive (no moving parts) and allow the machine to sleep (subject to "wake on LAN"). This maximizes convenience, but simultaneously limits the music library to the amount of free space on the internal SSD. or 2. Manually shut down the computer and external drive after each use. This would mean that every time I wanted to hear music again, I'd have to manually restart the system from its sleep state by: a) turning on the television b) switching TV inputs to the Roon computer c) using the wireless mouse to wake the Roon computer d) using the wireless keyboard to enter the Roon computer's password e) starting the external USB drive and waiting for it to spin up f) waiting for the Roon computer to recognize the external USB drive g) starting Roon and waiting for it to recognize the external USB drive h) starting the iPad and waiting for it to connect to the wireless network i) starting Roon Remote on the iPad and waiting for it to connect to the Roon core j) waiting for the album artwork to synchronize between the Roon core and Roon Remote k) turning off the TV for the duration of the listening session Apparently, the only good solution to this is to await the availability of inexpensive, large capacity (4TB or greater) SSD chips. An intermediate alternate might be to use what storage is available on the internal SSD and simultaneously use an external SSD for the remainder of the library. That would eliminate the external drive spinning continuously (and the accompanying heat issue). In fact, multiple external USB SSDs might be used simultaneously to reduce cost... Just a thought. The sweet spot, cost-wise seems to be 1 or 2TB SSD drives. I can buy 4TB of storage in no-name Chinese ones for $40. I already have USB3 port expanders laying around, so I'd just plug them in and distribute the music among the drives. Roon can use them all simultaneously as sources. In fact, I could also plug a bunch of the cheap drives in and then use Mac OS to form them all into a virtual RAID with data redundancy. That way, even if a stick failed, I'd just plug in a fresh one, and the RAID would repopulate the data. If I wanted to do RAID in hardware instead of using the Mac software, I've already got the RAID box. To use the hardware solution, though, I'd want to use RAID-10 (that provides but half the actual storage space of the RAID). So 8TB of actual space would provide 4TB of fully-redundant data. The goal, ultimately, is to maximize convenience and simultaneously eliminate the wear and tear of having drives spinning continuously. I think that SSD is going to be the only feasible solution. So I've ordered two of these. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08RXQSFKP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Since these will be "write-once, read-many" devices, the reliablity should be pretty good. Have you considered setting up a NAS? You can place it anywhere, heat is no issue and space is no issue if you plan well and set up as a RAID they are great for music library’s. You can use an SSD in a NAS, but the available spinning drives like the WD Red are economical. Boom - No. 1 is a no no. Roon STRONGLY advises against putting the music library on the same drive as the core. I run Roon core on a Mac mini with two external HDDs. 2 x 2TB RAID and 1 x 2TB to backup the RAID drive. I’m a Roon user from day one. That’s how long the drives (Hitachi) have been on with no issues. Why do you think the drives are spinning all the time? I barely notice any drive activity listening to Roon or not. 😳 Don’t understand your reluctance to use always on HDDs. Russ |
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Post by drtrey3 on Nov 2, 2021 12:47:17 GMT -5
I installed Roon and it was pretty easy to use. I still have a week on my try out. I enjoy the graphics and in the right circumstances the sound. But without Tidal or the other services, there is not enough there there for me to pony up. And I mostly listen in one place in the home. I see the utility for folks using the streaming service or with multiple listening rooms, but I am still working on ripping all my material and a streaming service would greatly compromise that endeavor. So I will enjoy playing with the program for a few more days.
Trey
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 5, 2021 10:49:23 GMT -5
The reason I got Rooned in the first place was the size of my ripped music library (about 4TB). I’ve tried TIDAL and didn’t much care for it (not enough selection), but I did like Qobuz.
My library now resides happily on a 6TB external Enterprise HDD.
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Post by pzzr on Dec 17, 2021 10:23:00 GMT -5
I’ve been using Roon a while now. Basic setup on Mac Mini, HDMI into Oppo UCD205, which is connected via HDMI (for movies) into input 3 on my XMC-2 and via balanced inputs (for music) into the processor. All has been good until recently. Keith suggested trying out the XMC DAC, to compare with the Oppo. So for that I’d use the HDMI input (as I used to on the Marantz processor before the XMC), but I couldn’t get sound. I finally did a couple of nights ago (don’t even remember how!!), but it was at about 10-12db lower level. I put that down to voltage differences of the XLR inputs.
Last night I couldn’t get it to work on HDMI at all, and on balanced Inputs I was getting random but frequent momentary dropouts of audio every few seconds. I suspect HDMI handshake issues. On a whim, I turned in the projector, and I got a picture, and sound. And the levels were close if not the same. The issue seems to be with the Sony TV hooked up to ARC. Even when off, I hear the video devices still ‘register’ as being there. So something in the Sony is interfering.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Dec 20, 2021 11:37:20 GMT -5
Don't need an expensive DAC. A Raspberry PI works great (even better with a HiFi Berry card).
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 30, 2021 8:44:25 GMT -5
Improving Roon Remote reliability?
I've an iPad mini that I use as a Roon Remote controller. My Roon app is installed on a Mac mini in the same room. The ONLY software running on the Mac mini is Roon.
I'll open Roon Remote on the iPad, and it will connect. After about 5 to 10 minutes, the iPad will lose connection with the Mac mini. Given 30 seconds or so, it will automatically reconnect.
Both the Roon and Roon Remote versions are the latest.
The OS-X on the Mac mini is the latest and is up to date.
Both the Mac mini and the iPad are connected to the internet (and each other) by a wireless Netgear Orbi at the far end of the house.
Both the Mac mini and the iPad show maximum bars of wifi signal strength.
I'm thinking that I might let the Mac mini connect to the internet via Ethernet (this gets it off the wireless network). I can then use the Mac mini to set up a second, independent wireless network just for Roon Remote. The Roon wireless network will be sent/received from the same room & should be more reliable than trying to reach across the house (in spite of the strong signal). Is this a reasonable strategy?
Thanks - Boom
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Post by brubacca on Dec 30, 2021 9:21:01 GMT -5
I just moved my Roon installation from a Roon ROCK dedicated Core i5 NUC to my Asustor As5304t NAS. I have about 6,000 songs and also connected to Qobuz. I see no change in performance.
That being said I only use one zone at a time and no DSP. For me the advantage is easier backup and complete redundancy. (I actually have two NAS boxes and back up the main one to the second one)
Side benefit I used my old Windows 7 Family Upgrade License to install Windows 11 fresh on the NUC and have myself a new home PC.
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Post by LuisV on Dec 30, 2021 9:45:16 GMT -5
I just moved my Roon installation from a Roon ROCK dedicated Core i5 NUC to my Asustor As5304t NAS. I have about 6,000 songs and also connected to Qobuz. I see no change in performance. That being said I only use one zone at a time and no DSP. For me the advantage is easier backup and complete redundancy. (I actually have two NAS boxes and back up the main one to the second one) Side benefit I used my old Windows 7 Family Upgrade License to install Windows 11 fresh on the NUC and have myself a new home PC. I had similar results when I moved Core from a Win10 PC to my NAS; zero audio and performance difference. Sorry to hear all the issues around Roon Boomzilla; its been rock solid for me. |
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Post by audiobill on Dec 30, 2021 10:57:42 GMT -5
Boom, turning off ipv6 in your network settings fixed this for me.
Roon recommends doing this where frequent dropouts are experienced.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 30, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -5
Boom, turning off ipv6 in your network settings fixed this for me. Roon recommends doing this where frequent dropouts are experienced. True, mine is off and I never get any dropouts. Good luck |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jan 20, 2022 12:22:45 GMT -5
I had my first Roon hiccup. Had a 2 second power outage, and the my NUC running ROCK kept on running, but connectivity to Tidal and Roon's metadata service was messed up. Solution was to power down the NUC for 5 minutes and restart.
All is well now.
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 2, 2022 7:34:12 GMT -5
IM A ROONIE TOO...oops and I run connected via Nucleus/WindowsPC/MACmini M1 and NUC with ROCK...all flavours bar NAS cores. Lifer and into my 6th year with Roon.
I Prefer the Nucleus / ROCK for reliability but I dont think the XMC-2 likes the amount of network chatter on my main LAN so I put it on its own VLAN which helped things al lot I think.
I have many Roon endpoints. Library is 345K trans and also Tidal and Qobuz is used.
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