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Post by ttocs on Jun 15, 2021 12:06:29 GMT -5
Ok, let’s focus on analog, when you hit Analog 1, it reports Analog 3 and that input becomes active? and visa versa, A3 button gives you A1? Is yours IR or Hub based remote? Yes Yes IR, Harmony 665 & Touch |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2021 12:43:51 GMT -5
Ok, let’s focus on analog, when you hit Analog 1, it reports Analog 3 and that input becomes active? and visa versa, A3 button gives you A1? Is yours IR or Hub based remote? Yes Yes IR, Harmony 665 & Touch So now we need to see if it’s an IR vs Hub thing, I think geebo uses a Hub, do you have the Analog 1 / 3 reversal? Also are others seeing this problem on IR or Hub? |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 15, 2021 14:05:20 GMT -5
Yes Yes IR, Harmony 665 & Touch So now we need to see if it’s an IR vs Hub thing, I think geebo uses a Hub, do you have the Analog 1 / 3 reversal? Also are others seeing this problem on IR or Hub? I have to ask your forgiveness for jumping to a conclusion that the Harmony driver was at fault. Now I don't think it's a Harmony problem at all. Using the Emotiva PR-1 remote, pressing the Input Up button, here is the sequence shown on my XMC-2: HDMI 1, HDMI 2, HDMI 3, HDMI 4, HDMI 5, HDMI 6, HDMI 7, HDMI 8, Coax 3, Coax 2, Coax 1, AES/EBU, Optical 1, Optical 2, Optical 3, HDMI ARC, USB Stream, Tuner, Analog 3, Analog 2, Analog 1, Balanced In, Front In It shows the same Coax and Analog 1 and 3 swaps. |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 15, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -5
So now we need to see if it’s an IR vs Hub thing, I think geebo uses a Hub, do you have the Analog 1 / 3 reversal? Also are others seeing this problem on IR or Hub? I have to ask your forgiveness for jumping to a conclusion that the Harmony driver was at fault. Now I don't think it's a Harmony problem at all. Using the Emotiva PR-1 remote, pressing the Input Up button, here is the sequence shown on my XMC-2: HDMI 1, HDMI 2, HDMI 3, HDMI 4, HDMI 5, HDMI 6, HDMI 7, HDMI 8, Coax 3, Coax 2, Coax 1, AES/EBU, Optical 1, Optical 2, Optical 3, HDMI ARC, USB Stream, Tuner, Analog 3, Analog 2, Analog 1, Balanced In, Front In It shows the same Coax and Analog 1 and 3 swaps. This doesn't address what happens with the Optical inputs: Input Optical1 = Station 6 Input Optical2 = Optical 1 Input Optical3 = Optical 2 |
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Post by geebo on Jun 15, 2021 14:32:01 GMT -5
Yes Yes IR, Harmony 665 & Touch So now we need to see if it’s an IR vs Hub thing, I think geebo uses a Hub, do you have the Analog 1 / 3 reversal? Also are others seeing this problem on IR or Hub? I have a hub based Harmony and I will try to remember to see if I get the 1 / 3 reversal tonight. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2021 17:23:37 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music from the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for iPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong.  |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 15, 2021 17:37:19 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. You get an E for effort, just like I would get from my first grade teacher! Thank you! And if we were in each other's company, you would be due a "hearty handclasp" (The Bank Dick, WC Fields). As jbrunwa was pointing out above, with our non-Hub IR remotes the "order" of the commands is reversed for some of them. Your command grid show everything in a nice orderly fashion. I'm not saying this really matters - most likely, but is interesting to note in case it might be a contributing possibility. The Hub app seems much better executed just by looking at the screen shot. I'm thinking that it's a simple typo in the code for the Harmony Desktop app. This shouldn't matter so long as more than a few commands can be edited without crashing the app so much. |
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Post by geebo on Jun 15, 2021 18:30:10 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. View AttachmentUsing my Harmony Elite selecting Analog 1 and 3 displays Analog 1 and 3 respectfully on the RMC-1L. Same for Coax 1 and 3. I have the hub wired directly to the RMC. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 15, 2021 18:38:44 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. View AttachmentIf you use you Emotiva PR-1 remote input up button to cycle through all the inputs do they show up in order or are they out of order like mine? I’m wondering if some of our XMC-2 units are somehow “wired” different? |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 15, 2021 19:03:21 GMT -5
UPDATE: semi successful, like Brad in Fast Times At Ridgemont High.
Too many crashes to count, so I replaced the OEM batteries, no different.
Replaced the supplied cord, BINGO, sort of, well, mostly.
I attempted to change all six errors, Analog1&3, Optical1&3, and Coax1&3. 5 were good, one was bad and flipped to an opposing input. Analog3 became Coax1. Then I edited that one command and Coax1 became Analog1. Edit again and one of the three types of inputs swaps.
It goes like this:
Analog3=Coax1
Edit Analog3 to Analog3, then Coax1 becomes Optical1
Edit Coax1 to Coax1, then Optical1 becomes Analog1
and so on.
I discovered that crashing can be reduced to almost zero by backing out to the Main startup screen after making changes. I think it helps to "record" the changes in the cloud, because when the crash happens nothing is saved. Since I started doing this, it hasn't crashed. Yes, after replacing the cord it crashed a couple times, but, I can't rule out that the cloud saves were messed up, the remote needed to be rebooted in Safe Mode, and, the app needed a fresh start. Roll the dice and choose what you want to bet on.
At this point, it's mostly successful. It's just one command that is wandering around with each successive sync, so for now, that's good enough.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2021 19:35:30 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. Thank you! And if we were in each other's company, you would be due a "hearty handclasp" (The Bank Dick, WC Fields). As jbrunwa was pointing out above, with our non-Hub IR remotes the "order" of the commands is reversed for some of them. Your command grid show everything in a nice orderly fashion. I'm not saying this really matters - most likely, but is interesting to note in case it might be a contributing possibility. The Hub app seems much better executed just by looking at the screen shot. I'm thinking that it's a simple typo in the code for the Harmony Desktop app. This shouldn't matter so long as more than a few commands can be edited without crashing the app so much. In 1st grade we strived for a “smiley 💯”! I may treat myself to a hearty beer 🍺 (come on by, I’m buying). At least I now know all my analog inputs work 😊 I don’t think I’ve used the Next / Previous buttons in years, something that might have an affect on that would be the 🔲 Visible checkbox in the input settings. I’d be lost without the Hub. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 15, 2021 20:42:38 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. View AttachmentThanks. Using the same Harmony app on my iPad with the same screen connected to the Harmony hub to an ir emitter to the XMC-2, and all the analog, coax, and optical input anomalies are still there. I am searching for a cable to wire the hub to the XMC-2 ir input to bypass the emitter but don’t know if I have one. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2021 23:34:15 GMT -5
Ok, this wasn’t as trivial as it seems but I moved my turntable between Analog 1, 2, & 3 and can state unequivocally that selecting Analog 1, displays Analog 1 on the OSD and plays music through the inputs marked Analog 1, the same is true for Analog 2 & 3. For me the easiest way of doing this is using the Harmony App for IPad, selecting the Emotiva device and pressing the ‘buttons’ marked below. If necessary I can do the same with Optical and Coax, but (with the exception of the AES/EBU — Coax 4 bug I noted above) I feel the results will be the same. At the moment I’d like to see if the Hub vs IR theory can be proven wrong. View AttachmentThanks. Using the same Harmony app on my iPad with the same screen connected to the Harmony hub to an ir emitter to the XMC-2, and all the analog, coax, and optical input anomalies are still there. I am searching for a cable to wire the hub to the XMC-2 ir input to bypass the emitter but don’t know if I have one. Wow, surprising! I do a direct connection as well for reliability, I had to make my cable because I wanted a specific length. They’re 2.5mm male mono at the Hub to 3.5mm male mono at the XMC. You can also get 2.5 to 3.5 adapters and use a trigger cable. Once you get it hardwired, turn off the IR receivers and emitters, they can cause duplicate key presses (which might be going on now?) |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 16, 2021 0:15:06 GMT -5
Thanks. Using the same Harmony app on my iPad with the same screen connected to the Harmony hub to an ir emitter to the XMC-2, and all the analog, coax, and optical input anomalies are still there. I am searching for a cable to wire the hub to the XMC-2 ir input to bypass the emitter but don’t know if I have one. Wow, surprising! I do a direct connection as well for reliability, I had to make my cable because I wanted a specific length. They’re 2.5mm male mono at the Hub to 3.5mm male mono at the XMC. You can also get 2.5 to 3.5 adapters and use a trigger cable. Once you get it hardwired, turn off the IR receivers and emitters, they can cause duplicate key presses (which might be going on now?) Thanks for the info and instructions. I will search my boxes of cables and adapters to see if I can find it, but ordered the correct cable to arrive Thursday. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 16, 2021 11:48:27 GMT -5
I have to ask your forgiveness for jumping to a conclusion that the Harmony driver was at fault. Now I don't think it's a Harmony problem at all. Using the Emotiva PR-1 remote, pressing the Input Up button, here is the sequence shown on my XMC-2: HDMI 1, HDMI 2, HDMI 3, HDMI 4, HDMI 5, HDMI 6, HDMI 7, HDMI 8, Coax 3, Coax 2, Coax 1, AES/EBU, Optical 1, Optical 2, Optical 3, HDMI ARC, USB Stream, Tuner, Analog 3, Analog 2, Analog 1, Balanced In, Front In It shows the same Coax and Analog 1 and 3 swaps. This doesn't address what happens with the Optical inputs: Input Optical1 = Station 6 Input Optical2 = Optical 1 Input Optical3 = Optical 2 You are correct, so I withdraw my apology!  I just spoke with Emotiva support and the sequence of inputs that I see is correct and their XMC-2 presents inputs in the same order, which is not what I would expect, but that’s the way it is for some reason. The Emotiva PR-1 remote and the IPhone Emotiva remote app only let you cycle through inputs or press Input buttons. Only the Harmony device driver lets you directly select specific inputs. Of course, short of discovering why the Harmony hub works for some of us and not others, and assuming we don’t have more than 7 inputs, we could try assigning coax, analog and optical inputs to some of the input buttons. I suspect that would work as the assignment is done in the XMC-2. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 17, 2021 14:24:30 GMT -5
Wow, surprising! I do a direct connection as well for reliability, I had to make my cable because I wanted a specific length. They’re 2.5mm male mono at the Hub to 3.5mm male mono at the XMC. You can also get 2.5 to 3.5 adapters and use a trigger cable. Once you get it hardwired, turn off the IR receivers and emitters, they can cause duplicate key presses (which might be going on now?) Thanks for the info and instructions. I will search my boxes of cables and adapters to see if I can find it, but ordered the correct cable to arrive Thursday. The cable arrived. Using the cable from the Harmony hub to the IR input on the back of the XMC-2 still gives me the same anomalous results. I guess I will try deleting the XMC-2 device from Harmony and set it up using the XMC-1 device driver to see what happens. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 17, 2021 21:30:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the info and instructions. I will search my boxes of cables and adapters to see if I can find it, but ordered the correct cable to arrive Thursday. The cable arrived. Using the cable from the Harmony hub to the IR input on the back of the XMC-2 still gives me the same anomalous results. I guess I will try deleting the XMC-2 device from Harmony and set it up using the XMC-1 device driver to see what happens. That’s weird, have you turned off the IR receivers and blaster, so the XMC can only get commands on the wire? Also tell Harmony to only use the wire. After the experimentation with the RMC-1L driver above, I tried moving some of my Activities to it, works the same as far as I can tell, so I’d be surprised if the XMC-1 makes any difference. You don’t have to delete the XMC-2 driver, just re-run the activity then select and configure the new driver. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 18, 2021 16:33:58 GMT -5
The cable arrived. Using the cable from the Harmony hub to the IR input on the back of the XMC-2 still gives me the same anomalous results. I guess I will try deleting the XMC-2 device from Harmony and set it up using the XMC-1 device driver to see what happens. That’s weird, have you turned off the IR receivers and blaster, so the XMC can only get commands on the wire? Also tell Harmony to only use the wire. After the experimentation with the RMC-1L driver above, I tried moving some of my Activities to it, works the same as far as I can tell, so I’d be surprised if the XMC-1 makes any difference. You don’t have to delete the XMC-2 driver, just re-run the activity then select and configure the new driver. Yep. I just installed a XMC-1 device and get exactly the same results. At this point I have spent all the time I’m willing to invest, so Im convinced that some of our XMC-2 units’ inputs are configured wrong somehow and I will just put up with the bug. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 18, 2021 18:07:29 GMT -5
That’s weird, have you turned off the IR receivers and blaster, so the XMC can only get commands on the wire? Also tell Harmony to only use the wire. After the experimentation with the RMC-1L driver above, I tried moving some of my Activities to it, works the same as far as I can tell, so I’d be surprised if the XMC-1 makes any difference. You don’t have to delete the XMC-2 driver, just re-run the activity then select and configure the new driver. Yep. I just installed a XMC-1 device and get exactly the same results. At this point I have spent all the time I’m willing to invest, so Im convinced that some of our XMC-2 units’ inputs are configured wrong somehow and I will just put up with the bug. Sorry to hear it's still not working right. Just so we all try the same thing, what's your exact test sequence and result? |
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Post by jbrunwa on Jun 18, 2021 18:45:04 GMT -5
Yep. I just installed a XMC-1 device and get exactly the same results. At this point I have spent all the time I’m willing to invest, so Im convinced that some of our XMC-2 units’ inputs are configured wrong somehow and I will just put up with the bug. Sorry to hear it's still not working right. Just so we all try the same thing, what's your exact test sequence and result? Open the Harmony app, open the devices tab, select Emotiva AV Receiver, tap “Input Coax1” and The XMC-2 switches to Coax 3, etc. |
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I just spoke with Emotiva support and the sequence of inputs that I see is correct and their XMC-2 presents inputs in the same order, which is not what I would expect, but that’s the way it is for some reason. The Emotiva PR-1 remote and the IPhone Emotiva remote app only let you cycle through inputs or press Input buttons. Only the Harmony device driver lets you directly select specific inputs. Of course, short of discovering why the Harmony hub works for some of us and not others, and assuming we don’t have more than 7 inputs, we could try assigning coax, analog and optical inputs to some of the input buttons. I suspect that would work as the assignment is done in the XMC-2.