MC-1

[sealman]

Dec 24, 2021 20:43:32 GMT -5 hsamwel said:

Dec 24, 2021 0:19:19 GMT -5 sealman said:

I still can't understand how anyone who actually understands what the bass bug does for your low frequencies can say they are happy with their XMC-2/RMCXX.

This is actually not surprising at all IMO..

Most people actually like more bass.. Even though this bug affects more than just the levels..
I would think the crossover is affected as well..

I remember us having a pretty bad bug with DTS Neural:X a while back.. Most people didn’t
notice a thing wrong with it.. Even when told about it.. That bug was even worse than this one
as it affected the whole sound stage.
When Emotiva finally fixed it there was almost nothing mentioned about the issue.
That one took about a year or so to get fixed. Emotiva even saying there’s no problem with it
up until they released the fix.

I also think most people also don’t hear any difference other than slightly higher level of bass.
It’s only a select few that can discern such details.

I noticed the DTS bug but just never used it. As for the bass bug it was a slap in the face after the firmware update.

[Lsc]

Dec 24, 2021 22:14:50 GMT -5 sealman said:

Dec 24, 2021 20:43:32 GMT -5 hsamwel said:

This is actually not surprising at all IMO..

Most people actually like more bass.. Even though this bug affects more than just the levels..
I would think the crossover is affected as well..

I remember us having a pretty bad bug with DTS Neural:X a while back.. Most people didn’t
notice a thing wrong with it.. Even when told about it.. That bug was even worse than this one
as it affected the whole sound stage.
When Emotiva finally fixed it there was almost nothing mentioned about the issue.
That one took about a year or so to get fixed. Emotiva even saying there’s no problem with it
up until they released the fix.

I also think most people also don’t hear any difference other than slightly higher level of bass.
It’s only a select few that can discern such details.

I noticed the DTS bug but just never used it. As for the bass bug it was a slap in the face after the firmware update.

The DTS bug was very noticeable. I used DTS and not the neural:X.

The bass bug I really didn’t notice and now that my XMC2 is in the rec room mainly used by the kids, it’s less of a concern. With Dirac, that system never sounded so good. 7.1.4 Atmos.

Once DLBC becomes available, I’ll bring the XMC2 back in my space and get something else for them.

[cawgijoe]

Dec 24, 2021 0:19:19 GMT -5 sealman said:

Dec 4, 2021 23:25:51 GMT -5 cawgijoe said:

We all have different experiences and perspectives depending on how we use the gear and what equipment we own.
I have not yet ventured into Atmos. I don’t use ARC/CEC. So far I have been very happy with the XMC-1 and now XMC-2. Amps are great and the processors have been fine. Just my .02.

I still can't understand how anyone who actually understands what the bass bug does for your low frequencies can say they are happy with their XMC-2/RMCXX.

I understand it and I’m still happy. Sure, it needs to be fixed, but I’m not letting it ruin my life. I’ve tuned my bass so that it’s not boomy and works fine. All speakers set to small.

[cawgijoe]

Dec 24, 2021 20:43:32 GMT -5 hsamwel said:

Dec 24, 2021 0:19:19 GMT -5 sealman said:

I still can't understand how anyone who actually understands what the bass bug does for your low frequencies can say they are happy with their XMC-2/RMCXX.

This is actually not surprising at all IMO..

Most people actually like more bass.. Even though this bug affects more than just the levels..
I would think the crossover is affected as well..

I remember us having a pretty bad bug with DTS Neural:X a while back.. Most people didn’t
notice a thing wrong with it.. Even when told about it.. That bug was even worse than this one
as it affected the whole sound stage.
When Emotiva finally fixed it there was almost nothing mentioned about the issue.
That one took about a year or so to get fixed. Emotiva even saying there’s no problem with it
up until they released the fix.

I also think most people also don’t hear any difference other than slightly higher level of bass.
It’s only a select few that can discern such details.

I don’t like more bass. Hate boomy, bloated bass. Maybe adjusting my Rythmik sub to reduce the elevated bass has helped, or maybe
I’m used to the bug…..not sure.

[cwt]

Dec 24, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

This is my first post so I hope I am doing this correctly.

I went for the MC1 and did my pre-order.  Looks great for my requirements and the price is very reasonable.  But I have one issue that is not a deal breaker for me but on the negative side.  The DAC spec looks very bad at only 16/48k.  CD quality DAC

Hi Dale ; where did you get the 16/48 spec from ? Some posts here suggest the cirrus logic 42528 dac as has been used in previous entry level prepro's from Emo .

This family are 24/192 capable ; in fact the umc200 i had used once had its predecessor the cs41528 as confirmed by the chief engineer Lonnie once to a question [this was also a 8 channel 192khz sampling rate dac] Heres the newer dac spec;

www.cirrus.com/products/cs42528/

[doc1963]

Dec 24, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

This is my first post so I hope I am doing this correctly.

I went for the MC1 and did my pre-order.  Looks great for my requirements and the price is very reasonable.  But I have one issue that is not a deal breaker for me but on the negative side.  The DAC spec looks very bad at only 16/48k.  CD quality DAC on a present day pre-amp is really not acceptable.  I already have a great DAC from Cambridge so will be using that instead.  Most likely a cost savings move ......... but there are plenty of great low cost chips out there that can handle 24/192K ...... blast.    Other then this ...... the product looks fantastic!  Hope it ships in January.

I am looking forward to pairing this up with my XPA Gen3 and BasX amps!  Will initially be running it at 9.1 with SVS Prime Pinnacle's for the mains and a combination of Cerwin Vega and Emotiva for the surrounds/height.

Cheers!

-Dale

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the Lounge…!!!

The MC1 is undoubtedly a clone of the ToneWinner AT-300, but sans the XLR outputs and in Emotiva “skin”. The AT-300 uses a Cirrus Logic CS42528 which is a 24 bit/192 kHz DAC. Since Emotiva doesn’t publish this, I’m not sure where you got this information. But rest assured, it’s incorrect and there’s no need for concern.

[geebo]

Dec 25, 2021 8:10:51 GMT -5 doc1963 said:

Dec 24, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

This is my first post so I hope I am doing this correctly.

I went for the MC1 and did my pre-order.  Looks great for my requirements and the price is very reasonable.  But I have one issue that is not a deal breaker for me but on the negative side.  The DAC spec looks very bad at only 16/48k.  CD quality DAC on a present day pre-amp is really not acceptable.  I already have a great DAC from Cambridge so will be using that instead.  Most likely a cost savings move ......... but there are plenty of great low cost chips out there that can handle 24/192K ...... blast.    Other then this ...... the product looks fantastic!  Hope it ships in January.

I am looking forward to pairing this up with my XPA Gen3 and BasX amps!  Will initially be running it at 9.1 with SVS Prime Pinnacle's for the mains and a combination of Cerwin Vega and Emotiva for the surrounds/height.

Cheers!

-Dale

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the Lounge…!!!

The MC1 is undoubtedly a clone of the ToneWinner AT-300, but sans the XLR outputs and in Emotiva “skin”. The AT-300 uses a Cirrus Logic CS42528 which is a 24 bit/192 kHz DAC. Since Emotiva doesn’t publish this, I’m not sure where you got this information. But rest assured, it’s incorrect and there’s no need for concern.

He may be talking about the USB input of which the manual states:

"This input can accept a stereo PCM USB audio input, at sample rates of either 16/44k or 16/48k,
from any device that can be connected to “an external USB DAC”. Most Windows and Apple
computers, some tablets and phones, and some USB streamers, can be connected directly to this
input. Some other devices, including some iPhones and IPads, may require the use of a special
adapter."

[MusicHead]

Dec 25, 2021 10:44:50 GMT -5 geebo said:

Dec 25, 2021 8:10:51 GMT -5 doc1963 said:

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the Lounge…!!!

The MC1 is undoubtedly a clone of the ToneWinner AT-300, but sans the XLR outputs and in Emotiva “skin”. The AT-300 uses a Cirrus Logic CS42528 which is a 24 bit/192 kHz DAC. Since Emotiva doesn’t publish this, I’m not sure where you got this information. But rest assured, it’s incorrect and there’s no need for concern.

He may be talking about the USB input of which the manual states:

"This input can accept a stereo PCM USB audio input, at sample rates of either 16/44k or 16/48k,
from any device that can be connected to “an external USB DAC”. Most Windows and Apple
computers, some tablets and phones, and some USB streamers, can be connected directly to this
input. Some other devices, including some iPhones and IPads, may require the use of a special
adapter."

Given the mention by the OP of him owning and planning to use an external DAC, I'd say he is definitely referring to the USB input.

[hsamwel]

Dec 25, 2021 0:25:09 GMT -5 cawgijoe said:

Dec 24, 2021 20:43:32 GMT -5 hsamwel said:

This is actually not surprising at all IMO..

Most people actually like more bass.. Even though this bug affects more than just the levels..
I would think the crossover is affected as well..

I remember us having a pretty bad bug with DTS Neural:X a while back.. Most people didn’t
notice a thing wrong with it.. Even when told about it.. That bug was even worse than this one
as it affected the whole sound stage.
When Emotiva finally fixed it there was almost nothing mentioned about the issue.
That one took about a year or so to get fixed. Emotiva even saying there’s no problem with it
up until they released the fix.

I also think most people also don’t hear any difference other than slightly higher level of bass.
It’s only a select few that can discern such details.

I don’t like more bass. Hate boomy, bloated bass. Maybe adjusting my Rythmik sub to reduce the elevated bass has helped, or maybe
I’m used to the bug…..not sure.

Well.. I also noticed the bass.. Although a bit higher I won’t call it bloated for most
content I use it for.. But for some content I have noticed it to be a bit too much.
Most of the time movies work fine with the added bass, music less so..

Btw ”more bass” isn’t necessarily bloated. Especially with Dirac handling the EQing.
Turning of PEQ and Dirac you immediately notice bloated bass because all your
peaks are back and lifted even higher..

I have a setup giving me the least added bass according to ttocs list, +3dB I believe.
With some settings, like having large fronts handling the BM with sub(s) handling the LFE
I can understand the bass becoming too much very fast..

I have three Dirac settings that I can choose between. Harman 6dB, Harman 4dB and flat.
Sometimes I change to flat when music have too much bass. Movies works fine with
Harman 4dB most of the times, which also is my normal settings currently.

[hsamwel]

Dec 24, 2021 22:34:55 GMT -5 Lsc said:

Dec 24, 2021 22:14:50 GMT -5 sealman said:

I noticed the DTS bug but just never used it. As for the bass bug it was a slap in the face after the firmware update.

The DTS bug was very noticeable. I used DTS and not the neural:X.

The bass bug I really didn’t notice and now that my XMC2 is in the rec room mainly used by the kids, it’s less of a concern. With Dirac, that system never sounded so good. 7.1.4 Atmos.

Once DLBC becomes available, I’ll bring the XMC2 back in my space and get something else for them.

Yeah, but when a thread was started the 4-5 of us that REALLY noticed and complained about
it were almost hanged for complaining about Emotiva and such a ”small” problem that ”most”
didn’t even ”have”.. Afterwards it was proven all had it but many didn’t even hear the issue. 

That’s why I think most won’t complain this time either.. Atleast with a ”all small+one sub out used”.
Which is the most used setup I would imagine.

I think it’s too bad really. Emotiva had a really big chance of having a major product with
the RMC-1 at the time of release. All the bugs and patching without adding much have them
gone from leading the pack to being last.
It’s still a good product but Emotiva have not put enough resources to the software side
of things. instead of doing a fresh start they took old code from the XMC-1 and patched it
to work with the RMC-1. Which IMO have been the cause of the slow progress and updates.

[sealman]

That’s why I think most won’t complain this time either.. Atleast with a ”all small+one sub out used”.

Which is the most used setup I would imagine.

I have a 7.2 setup with all (90hz) small. After the firmware that introduced the bass bug it was immediately noticeable and not at all subtle.
I guess if someone changed from a different receiver/prepro they may chalk it up to a bad calibration and lower the sub levels and never really know what happened.

[cawgijoe]

Dec 25, 2021 21:41:55 GMT -5 sealman said:

I have a 7.2 setup with all (90hz) small. After the firmware that introduced the bass bug it was immediately noticeable and not at all subtle.
I guess if someone changed from a different receiver/prepro they may chalk it up to a bad calibration and lower the sub levels and never really know what happened.

It’s possible, but I think many would try re-running Dirac again hoping for a better result before coming here for answers or calling support.

At the moment we are all waiting for a firmware solution.

[dlawmont]

Dec 25, 2021 7:09:44 GMT -5 cwt said:

Dec 24, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

This is my first post so I hope I am doing this correctly.

I went for the MC1 and did my pre-order.  Looks great for my requirements and the price is very reasonable.  But I have one issue that is not a deal breaker for me but on the negative side.  The DAC spec looks very bad at only 16/48k.  CD quality DAC

Hi Dale ; where did you get the 16/48 spec from ? Some posts here suggest the cirrus logic 42528 dac as has been used in previous entry level prepro's from Emo .

This family are 24/192 capable ; in fact the umc200 i had used once had its predecessor the cs41528 as confirmed by the chief engineer Lonnie once to a question [this was also a 8 channel 192khz sampling rate dac] Heres the newer dac spec;

www.cirrus.com/products/cs42528/

Hello:

I got this information directly from the manual on page 18 section 9:  USB Audio (DAC) Input

[dlawmont]

Very sorry, I meant to say page 13, section 9! If the manual is correct then the USB input will not support 24/192.

"This input can accept a stereo PCM USB audio input, at sample rates of either 16/44k or 16/48k,
from any device that can be connected to “an external USB DAC”. Most Windows and Apple
computers, some tablets and phones, and some USB streamers, can be connected directly to this
input. Some other devices, including some iPhones and IPads, may require the use of a special
adapter."

[doc1963]

Dec 26, 2021 8:59:26 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

Very sorry, I meant to say page 13, section 9! If the manual is correct then the USB input will not support 24/192.

"This input can accept a stereo PCM USB audio input, at sample rates of either 16/44k or 16/48k,
from any device that can be connected to “an external USB DAC”. Most Windows and Apple
computers, some tablets and phones, and some USB streamers, can be connected directly to this
input. Some other devices, including some iPhones and IPads, may require the use of a special
adapter."

That would indicate that the MC1’s USB DAC input is limited to UAC1. You’d have to step up to a device that supports USB Audio Class 2 to get better USB specs, or, try SPDIF.

[dlawmont]

Thanks for the information. Yes, that is the same conclusion I came to as well. If you read a little further in the manual it mentions USB1. As I mentioned this is a very bad decision by Emotiva ..... not familiar enough yet on the engineers/marketing guys that actually make the decisions. But like I said, there are numerous IC's out there that support USB2. Very short sighted decision. But I already have an stand alone Cambridge DAC that handles this. Otherwise I am hoping the MC1 looks like a winner .......... I will let you know in January!!

-Dale

[leefdalucky]

Dec 25, 2021 7:09:44 GMT -5 cwt said:

Dec 24, 2021 13:45:32 GMT -5 dlawmont said:

This is my first post so I hope I am doing this correctly.

I went for the MC1 and did my pre-order.  Looks great for my requirements and the price is very reasonable.  But I have one issue that is not a deal breaker for me but on the negative side.  The DAC spec looks very bad at only 16/48k.  CD quality DAC

Hi Dale ; where did you get the 16/48 spec from ? Some posts here suggest the cirrus logic 42528 dac as has been used in previous entry level prepro's from Emo .

This family are 24/192 capable ; in fact the umc200 i had used once had its predecessor the cs41528 as confirmed by the chief engineer Lonnie once to a question [this was also a 8 channel 192khz sampling rate dac] Heres the newer dac spec;

www.cirrus.com/products/cs42528/

So happy to hear the DAC hasn't been compromised.
I'm still going to consider this one. Maybe towards next Christmas, once the reviews start to trickle in.

[titan2]

Any word on shipping date?

[titan2]

Get out the Champagne!  Received an e-mail that it was shipped.

[jwb47474]

My intentions is to buy when standard stock is achieved and a few reviews come in. I do have a question: Since the AT300 has the capability to use the analog 2-4 inputs as a single 5.1 input, would the MC1 do this if a code from the AT300's remote is used or is this capability completely written out on the MC1's firmware?