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Jan 10, 2022 12:30:28 GMT -5
Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 10, 2022 12:30:28 GMT -5
… 5. As of today, the MC-1 still isn't in the Logitech Harmony remote database. I tried to manually enter it, but I ran into all kinds of problems. Hopefully it shows up soon so I don't have to use 6+ remotes. What I found with the XMC-1 was that Emotiva does not submit the remote codes to Logitech to be entered in the Harmony database. However, they published them and I submitted them to Logitech to create the driver for the XMC-1, which later became the XMC-2, and RMC. I had to work with Emo on one or two codes that didn’t work correctly and we got everything fixed. As far as I know these codes are still user submitted, I’d probably PM KeithL to see if you can get a copy of the codes for submission, then open a ticket on the Logitech website (much better than calling), you can then submit the codes and follow up with a technician via eMail. Nice detail in your initial evaluation and review! |
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Jan 10, 2022 12:32:29 GMT -5
Post by 2muchht on Jan 10, 2022 12:32:29 GMT -5
So after playing around with it all night, here are my observations: 1. You can't manually eq left and right channels individually. They are a set. I find this very strange. You can if you are modifying your emoq values, but not if you are doing your own eq from scratch. 2. Emoq settings seemed fairly accurate as far as distances and levels for everything except subwoofers. I have two subs. The first was set to +7.5 and the second was +10 after emoq. Bass sounded way too loud after that. When I eq'ed using REW with my previous MC-700, levels were set to -5. When I get a chance, I'll run REW and redo all that. 3. HDMI switching takes a long time. Even when changing the output on my Shield from 4k60 to 4k24, the shield reverts back to 4k60 before I can get a solid picture to confirm 4k24. 4. My 1080p Oppo blu-ray and Toshiba hd dvd players arent showing video or audio with the MC-1, yet my 4k sony player, ps5, xbox series x, switch, and shield all seem to be working correctly (aside from the long time it takes for the signal to come back anytime an input or resolution changes) 5. The interface and remote are a clear step up from the MC-700, but still, the interface is nothing fancy. On screen volume is nice though. That wasn't possible on HDMI inputs 1-3 on the MC-700. I really didn't have time to thouroughly evaluate sound quality, but I'm confident it sounds just a good as the MC-700, which I always found to be excellent in that department. Hopefully the HDMI switching can be improved with future firmwares. As a workaround, I will use the HDFury Dr. HDMI. This solved all my HDMI issues with the MC-700, so hopefully it'll solve the issues with this as well. I'm very curious to hear the thoughts and opinions of anyone else with one. Thanks for sharing. Does it make any noise when switching between audio formats like the MC-700?
THis is a bad sign. Any chance you might indulge us and take the cover off and see what HDMI chips they are using? If they are the same as in the XMC and RMC this problem shouldn't appear as I don't recall anyone reporting this type of issue with those products. It's a shame that Emotiva can't get on the same path as others have with true HDMI 2.1. Of all the features of 2.1 the one that would be great to have for gamers is VRR. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 10, 2022 18:02:33 GMT -5
It certainly isn't a perfect device, but after spending the weekend setting it all up and creating some workarounds, It should do the job. I know everything won't be fixed, but I'm hopeful some of these issues are ironed out with firmware updates. Time will tell. And so it begins. |
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Jan 10, 2022 19:46:02 GMT -5
Post by dlawmont on Jan 10, 2022 19:46:02 GMT -5
So I spent quite a bit more time with it this weekend. Here are some more observations: 1. When skipping scene to scene on a blu-ray disk there is a loud unpleasant chirp or squeak. In case you are worried about speaker damage, you can mute before skipping. Not that I think it'll damage speakers, but just to be sure. 2. I calibrated the sound using REW this weekend. There are 3 save slots for eq settings, however, these combine Right and Left channel as one. They can't be eq'd separately, which pretty much defeats the purpose. However, there is a 4th slot that has the EmoQ settings after you run the autocal. What I did was go into that and delete each channels eqs (I don't trust EmoQ so I just do it myself with REW). Personally, I only EQ up to 500Hz or so and I leave everything higher alone. EmoQ was EQ'ing up to 20,000Hz. It was pretty decent eq'ing actually, but just a bit too much manipulation to my liking. Anyway, the EmoQ slot allows for separate eq values for all channels. So that is a nice workaround. But if you plan on having multiple EQs saved, then you're out of luck because the other three presets combine L and R. Another issue I ran into was that twice when I was running REW, I noticed that the EmoQ eqs weren't being applied despite it being selected. Instead it was just showing the no eq (or flat) results. I power cycled the MC-1 and the EQ settings were once again applied. This is a bug that should be (hopefully) fixed in a new firmware (and yes, I was using the correct audio mode and not one that bypasses EQ). 3. I am using an HDFury Doctor HDMI from the MC-1 to the projector. And while everything is generally working, the switching inputs can take anywhere from 10 seconds to 30 seconds. And sometimes there just isn't a picture unless I change inputs and try again. It's definitely annoying, but I can live with it because, frankly, there is no other receiver/processor out there under $1,000 with 13.1 channels and this level of sound quality. And after I dialed it in, it sounded excellent. Far better than any mid tier big box av receiver. 4. The user interface is decent and laid out nicely. I didn't really run into any bugs with it. There is a nice feature where you can save your settings. Of course they are autosaved anyway, but I imagine incase they are reset or you change something you didn't mean to, you can load up the previous save. Eq'ing takes a long time, so I'm hoping it's all retained after new firmwares and I don't have to do it again. 5. As of today, the MC-1 still isn't in the Logitech Harmony remote database. I tried to manually enter it, but I ran into all kinds of problems. Hopefully it shows up soon so I don't have to use 6+ remotes. It certainly isn't a perfect device, but after spending the weekend setting it all up and creating some workarounds, It should do the job. I know everything won't be fixed, but I'm hopeful some of these issues are ironed out with firmware updates. Time will tell. |
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Jan 10, 2022 19:47:02 GMT -5
Post by dlawmont on Jan 10, 2022 19:47:02 GMT -5
Wow ... thanks for all this information. Hope mine ships soon!!
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Jan 10, 2022 21:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Jan 10, 2022 21:53:08 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. Does it make any noise when switching between audio formats like the MC-700?
THis is a bad sign. Any chance you might indulge us and take the cover off and see what HDMI chips they are using? If they are the same as in the XMC and RMC this problem shouldn't appear as I don't recall anyone reporting this type of issue with those products. It's a shame that Emotiva can't get on the same path as others have with true HDMI 2.1. Of all the features of 2.1 the one that would be great to have for gamers is VRR. I think based on what people are saying Emotiva is just branding the unit and isn’t involved in the development of this unit. Please correct me if I’m wrong. |
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Jan 11, 2022 9:51:11 GMT -5
Post by sirphatsalot on Jan 11, 2022 9:51:11 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to take the cover off to see the chip. Maybe tonight.
However, I found one more bug that is quite disappointing. When I listen to music from Spotify on my Nvidia Shield, with the projector off, there is no sound. The MC-1 display says no connection. If I turn on the projector, there is sound. If I unplug the projector from the MC-1, there is sound. If I change the MC-1 output from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 (which has nothing plugged in), there is sound. But having a display that is turned off connected to the active HDMI output of the MC-1 causes it to not play sound and read no connection. This really needs to be fixed.
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Jan 11, 2022 10:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Jan 11, 2022 10:00:23 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to take the cover off to see the chip. Maybe tonight. However, I found one more bug that is quite disappointing. When I listen to music from Spotify on my Nvidia Shield, with the projector off, there is no sound. The MC-1 display says no connection. If I turn on the projector, there is sound. If I unplug the projector from the MC-1, there is sound. If I change the MC-1 output from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 (which has nothing plugged in), there is sound. But having a display that is turned off connected to the active HDMI output of the MC-1 causes it to not play sound and read no connection. This really needs to be fixed. Thank you for sharing your experience! |
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Jan 11, 2022 10:44:35 GMT -5
Post by cwt on Jan 11, 2022 10:44:35 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to take the cover off to see the chip. Maybe tonight. However, I found one more bug that is quite disappointing. When I listen to music from Spotify on my Nvidia Shield, with the projector off, there is no sound. The MC-1 display says no connection. If I turn on the projector, there is sound. If I unplug the projector from the MC-1, there is sound. If I change the MC-1 output from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 (which has nothing plugged in), there is sound. But having a display that is turned off connected to the active HDMI output of the MC-1 causes it to not play sound and read no connection. This really needs to be fixed. Maybe worth a play with the hdmi outputs as the mc1 has a workaround for it not being a true matrix switcher [ to avoid the lowest common denominator output for hdmi ] - |
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Jan 11, 2022 11:01:04 GMT -5
Post by sirphatsalot on Jan 11, 2022 11:01:04 GMT -5
Right, you can select output to 1, output to 2, or output to 1 and 2. The projector is connected to output 1. Nothing is connected to output 2. (I leave it to output just to 1 for regular use). If I select output 1 with the projector off, there is no sound. If I select output 1 and 2 with the projector off, there is no sound. But if I select output 2, there is sound. And if the projector is on, there is sound. I have a Dr HDMI between the MC-1 and projector so I thought maybe that was the issue, but when I took it out completely, the results were the same. It didn't change anything.
Basically the unit is seeing that a display device is connected but powered off, so it stops sending sound, which doesn't make sense because the two are unrelated. I have all the HDMI options turned off like CEC and all that. I tried turning "Video standby" off and on, but it didn't do anything. I'll try to enable CEC options later and see if that fixes it.
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Jan 11, 2022 11:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Jan 11, 2022 11:07:51 GMT -5
You have discovered the main reason why we included the option to individually enable and disable each output on the MC1: Because some projectors, and even a few TV sets, are able to disable the audio on the processor when they are connected to an HDMI output and turned off.
We've seen this happen because the projector or TV is actually sending a "Mute" command via CEC. (If it's the processor that's being muted then you would see that status on the processor's display; however it could also be a CEC command to the source to mute.)
It's also worth noting that some source devices, especially streamers, go into pause mode when they "see" the TV or projector go off (they see the video HDCP handshake drop). And, when they're paused, you aren't going to get audio... But, by pressing the correct key, you may be able to un-pause them and resume the audio playback.
I didn't get a chance to take the cover off to see the chip. Maybe tonight. However, I found one more bug that is quite disappointing. When I listen to music from Spotify on my Nvidia Shield, with the projector off, there is no sound. The MC-1 display says no connection. If I turn on the projector, there is sound. If I unplug the projector from the MC-1, there is sound. If I change the MC-1 output from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 (which has nothing plugged in), there is sound. But having a display that is turned off connected to the active HDMI output of the MC-1 causes it to not play sound and read no connection. This really needs to be fixed. |
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Jan 11, 2022 11:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Jan 11, 2022 11:19:21 GMT -5
It actually makes a lot of sense for a streaming source device to shut off the video stream when it senses that the TV or projector is off. (Otherwise it's using your Internet data bandwidth to stream content that nobody is watching.)
I can even see how an engineer writing software for a streaming device might be "too smart for us all". For example, if you were watching a MOVIE, it would make sense to stop the audio when you turn the TV or projector off (we assume you're done watching the movie)... However, if you're listening to MUSIC, then it makes sense to leave the audio on... But can you always tell whether a given bit of content is "music" or "a movie"? And which way do we count a "music video"?
Everyone is always trying to make "smart devices" just a little bit smarter - to the point where they guess what we want before we ask for it. However this leaves a lot of space to get it wrong.
Note that our processors do NOT do this... we merely handle the signals we're sent... and don't make editorial decisions about what you want to see and hear.
Right, you can select output to 1, output to 2, or output to 1 and 2. The projector is connected to output 1. Nothing is connected to output 2. (I leave it to output just to 1 for regular use). If I select output 1 with the projector off, there is no sound. If I select output 1 and 2 with the projector off, there is no sound. But if I select output 2, there is sound. And if the projector is on, there is sound. I have a Dr HDMI between the MC-1 and projector so I thought maybe that was the issue, but when I took it out completely, the results were the same. It didn't change anything. Basically the unit is seeing that a display device is connected but powered off, so it stops sending sound, which doesn't make sense because the two are unrelated. I have all the HDMI options turned off like CEC and all that. I tried turning "Video standby" off and on, but it didn't do anything. I'll try to enable CEC options later and see if that fixes it. |
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Jan 11, 2022 11:31:18 GMT -5
Post by sirphatsalot on Jan 11, 2022 11:31:18 GMT -5
It actually makes a lot of sense for a streaming source device to shut off the video stream when it senses that the TV or projector is off. (Otherwise it's using your Internet data bandwidth to stream content that nobody is watching.)
I can even see how an engineer writing software for a streaming device might be "too smart for us all". For example, if you were watching a MOVIE, it would make sense to stop the audio when you turn the TV or projector off (we assume you're done watching the movie)... However, if you're listening to MUSIC, then it makes sense to leave the audio on... But can you always tell whether a given bit of content is "music" or "a movie"? And which way do we count a "music video"?
Everyone is always trying to make "smart devices" just a little bit smarter - to the point where they guess what we want before we ask for it. However this leaves a lot of space to get it wrong.
Note that our processors do NOT do this... we merely handle the signals we're sent... and don't make editorial decisions about what you want to see and hear.
Right, you can select output to 1, output to 2, or output to 1 and 2. The projector is connected to output 1. Nothing is connected to output 2. (I leave it to output just to 1 for regular use). If I select output 1 with the projector off, there is no sound. If I select output 1 and 2 with the projector off, there is no sound. But if I select output 2, there is sound. And if the projector is on, there is sound. I have a Dr HDMI between the MC-1 and projector so I thought maybe that was the issue, but when I took it out completely, the results were the same. It didn't change anything. Basically the unit is seeing that a display device is connected but powered off, so it stops sending sound, which doesn't make sense because the two are unrelated. I have all the HDMI options turned off like CEC and all that. I tried turning "Video standby" off and on, but it didn't do anything. I'll try to enable CEC options later and see if that fixes it. Thanks for the response. Though my previous setup with the MC-700 was identical and did not exhibit this. In a little bit I'm going to try other devices (Xbox, Playstation, Roku) and see if I can get sound with the projector off. Maybe it is the Shield... |
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Jan 11, 2022 14:21:58 GMT -5
Post by sirphatsalot on Jan 11, 2022 14:21:58 GMT -5
I just tried the Xbox Series X, Playstation 5, Blu-ray player, Roku, and even a simple Super Nintendo Classic Mini all on different HDMI inputs. There is no signal (sound or otherwise) output if the display is turned off and connected to the active HDMI output. And it's not just my projector, because I tried the Dr HDMI by itself as well and the same issue occurred. But if I unplugged it, the signal was back.
I tried every HDMI and CEC related option in the menu of the MC-1 and I even tried different HDMI options in the projector. Didn't make a difference. I'll try it with an old HDMI computer monitor tonight instead of the projector.
Obviously this isn't an issue when watching any content, but only when listening with the video device off.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by dlawmont on Jan 11, 2022 19:26:56 GMT -5
Wow ... thanks for all this information. Hope mine ships soon!! Ah!! I got an email today that my MC1 has shipped. Thanks Emotiva ...... cannot wait to fire this baby up! -Dale PS - Cold here in New Hampshire .... -2 degrees. |
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Jan 11, 2022 23:41:53 GMT -5
Post by davidl81 on Jan 11, 2022 23:41:53 GMT -5
I just tried the Xbox Series X, Playstation 5, Blu-ray player, Roku, and even a simple Super Nintendo Classic Mini all on different HDMI inputs. There is no signal (sound or otherwise) output if the display is turned off and connected to the active HDMI output. And it's not just my projector, because I tried the Dr HDMI by itself as well and the same issue occurred. But if I unplugged it, the signal was back. I tried every HDMI and CEC related option in the menu of the MC-1 and I even tried different HDMI options in the projector. Didn't make a difference. I'll try it with an old HDMI computer monitor tonight instead of the projector. Obviously this isn't an issue when watching any content, but only when listening with the video device off. Is this only an issue with HDMI input devices (IE if using a streaming music box connected through say the coax connection) I'd assume you could listen to that without a monitor on. |
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Jan 12, 2022 16:28:40 GMT -5
Post by thebadastronaut on Jan 12, 2022 16:28:40 GMT -5
Wow ... thanks for all this information. Hope mine ships soon!! Ah!! I got an email today that my MC1 has shipped. Thanks Emotiva ...... cannot wait to fire this baby up! -Dale PS - Cold here in New Hampshire .... -2 degrees. I feel the same way. I really hope mine ships soon! What was your order date? |
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Post by titan2 on Jan 12, 2022 18:01:26 GMT -5
Finally. It was supposed to arrive last Friday, but after spending a couple days not moving at a terminal, it arrived. Monday. Then the interconnects that were to arrive Saturday, finally came yesterday. It has a Monolith 7X for the base layer. The uppers and eventual wides are run through the amps of a TX-NR906. Projector is a 5040 and the BR is a UB820. The only thing I did was quick check of speaker setup and volume. No bangs, squeaks, pops, smoke or squealing....all is good so far.
Watched a couple scenes of several movies and I am pleased with the sound. I was previously running a RZ830. This is clearer, more dynamic and I can clearly hear ambient sounds not previously noticed. Maybe I am hearing what I want, but regardless, it is great. A specific scene that stood out was the gunfight in the Continental. The bullets hitting the body armor plates was all new. My wife was amazed with sounds she never heard before.
I have little time on it as other aspects of life take time. I need to look into the various designations, such as the sound field. When playing a disk, it shows the input is Atmos, but then it says the soundfield is Dolby Upmix. I do not know why it says upmix. These are the designated available fields...Pure, Direct, Stereo, Multi-Channel, Dolby Upmix, DTS Neural:X. I may find my answers after reading more of the manual. The onscreen setup looks fine. I do miss the speaker icons of the Onkyo. Though it has been brief, I like.
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Jan 13, 2022 9:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by bcolchagoff on Jan 13, 2022 9:26:43 GMT -5
I got mine yesterday and did a quick setup and initial impressions:
Pros:
- sounded good. Replacing an Anthem MRX 310 using preamps out and sounded at least as good, possibly a bit more defined.
- onscreen menus were fine and intuitive.
- 2 subwoofer outs that have partial ability to control separately
- correctly identified and played Apple Spatial Music (Atmos), which did have some issues on the MRX.
Cons:
- Auto EmoQ did a poor job. Didn't play much with it, did a fast setup, but didn't like the sound -- will do a better setup later
- Had some issues with IR using the IR cable in. will have to investigate further.
Summary Initial Impression: Reminds me of my UMC-200 sound quality but with Atmos and more channels. Not bad so far.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:03:28 GMT -5
Post by titan2 on Jan 13, 2022 21:03:28 GMT -5
Went to watch Dune 3D tonight. The player did not recognize the 3D display. Everything previously worked with the RZ830. Back to the manual.
Update....it does do 3D.
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