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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 14, 2022 4:39:47 GMT -5
WHOA!!! STOP THE PRESSES! Emotiva has just CHANGED THEIR ONLINE PUBLISHED SPECIFICATIONS for the Emotiva T3+ speakers. Their previous published -3dB frequency was an amazing 22 Hz. NOW, their online spec page says 29 Hz! I’d think that the new spec is more credible than the previous one (based on the cabinet size and sensitivity rating), but the questions remain: - Who came up with the vaporware spec of 22 Hz and why?
- Why was that number on the spec page at the Texas audio show AND when the speakers first appeared for sale on the Emotiva website?
- Will Emotiva offer a full refund (with free freight return shipping) to those who bought the speakers because of the false and misleading spec?
Not meaning to accuse Emotiva of deliberate fraud, but misstating bass roll off by nearly half an octave is a HUGE distortion of a highly critical spec. And from a consumer standpoint, the question must also be asked, “If Emotiva fudged the bass extension spec on the T3+ speaker, what OTHER specs are false?” A responsible company should not quietly change a critical spec on a flagship product in hopes that no one will notice. A full explanation is deserved. And don’t try to pass it off as a simple typo either. Emotiva’s corporate credibility is looking BAD here, and you know it, Mr. Laufman. So, to ask politely, what happened and why? Glenn Young (aka Boomzilla) |
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Post by geebo on Aug 14, 2022 8:47:42 GMT -5
I was having a hard time believing it was 22Hz. Possibly just a mistake that has been corrected. Nothing more.
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 14, 2022 8:50:52 GMT -5
Likely a misprint/typo. I highly doubt Emotiva would defraud anyone. Unfortunate.
I would have questioned the 22 number immediately before buying.
Having said that, they should respond and give those that bought based on the incorrect specs the option to return.
They may find return will be very low.
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 14, 2022 9:03:19 GMT -5
They made a mistake with the B2+ also. They didn’t go as low as the B1+ even having a bigger driver. It’s fixed now
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 14, 2022 9:13:43 GMT -5
I was having a hard time believing it was 22Hz. Possibly just a mistake that has been corrected. Nothing more. Of course! A simple phone call to Emotiva during normal business hours about this and then sharing the results here, would have been the way to go. Why beat them up on their own forum without a spontaneous conversation over what is a typo in all likelihood. (Just sayin) |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 14, 2022 9:15:05 GMT -5
ALL of this could have been avoided with “* in-room est.”
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 14, 2022 9:22:44 GMT -5
You ARE kidding…..correct?! Please read the previous post With a six to one ratio of likes vs one a**hole, I think the post is fully legit. Drink your coffee and get over it. |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 14, 2022 9:37:23 GMT -5
You ARE kidding…..correct?! Please read the previous post With a six to one ratio of likes vs one a**hole, I think the post is fully legit. Drink your coffee and get over it. I made my points respectfully. You’ve chosen another road contrary to forum rules. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 14, 2022 9:45:49 GMT -5
That's a pretty significant typo... a very profitable typo. It's different if they didn't put -3db on there. But how many speakers do you know that actually do 22hz at -3db? I don't know any that aren't huge and $$$$. Should have been caught immediately by the checkers
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 14, 2022 10:13:45 GMT -5
That's a pretty significant typo... a very profitable typo. It's different if they didn't put -3db on there. But how many speakers do you know that actually do 22hz at -3db? I don't know any that aren't huge and $$$$. Should have been caught immediately by the checkers You could be right, but a chance for them to respond during normal business hours would be fair enough….would you agree? I would agree, that a chance to respond during normal business hours would be fair. Personally I look at this as a simple human error, ie: mis-type. I also don’t see this as “a very profitable typo”. These new speakers haven’t been shipping for more than two weeks now(if that), along with quite a few other new products, so I personally chalk this up to a simple human error in a mis-type. Then again we all know that Emotiva and their employees could never make a human mistake. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 14, 2022 11:29:23 GMT -5
A simple typo? I don’t believe that. Emotiva isn’t a car maker that produces audio on the side. You’re an audio-specific manufacturer that fully understands how unusual and how significant a 22Hz. bass spec is. In fact, T3+ threads on this very forum have called out and emphasized that spec. Were it a simple typo, Emotiva has had plenty of time to catch it and say so.
To change a critical and significant specification on the web page with no comment or explanation when the company has had plenty of public notice that the first claim was unusual precludes any “courtesy” of a business hours call to an order taker who is unlikely to even understand the question.
The original post in this thread is fair, honest, and entirely reasonable. The ball is in Emotiva’s court.
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 14, 2022 11:50:25 GMT -5
“The original post in this thread is fair, honest, and entirely reasonable.” Not a chance |
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Post by vcautokid on Aug 14, 2022 15:15:03 GMT -5
Well 22hz is very impressive more so than 29hz which I believe is reality. Nigh distance away of an octave difference. Well folks someone I am sure will explain. Patience young Padiwans. I am curious too.
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Post by ttocs on Aug 14, 2022 18:37:30 GMT -5
This is a quote from the "Emotiva T3+" thread. Unfortunately, yes - now and always... By the bye, does anyone know the -3dB point for the T3+ speakers' bass? If it rolls off at 40 Hz. like a wimpy bookshelf speaker, I'm not interested. Per Dan, -6 is 22hz. These appear to be true full range speakers for 2 channel fans Is it possible the -6dB Dan was spouting got confused with the +-3dB spec? Since Dan said it at a public event, is it possible that this -6dB @22hz was misinterpreted at a company meeting, was put into the printed and web material as the +-3dB spec, proofread by (x)number of people, totally approved, then printed and posted? Yes. Frequency range is the first spec I look at when reading about speakers. This is not a spec with which to make such a blunder. With that said, I have seen errors from many super large multinational companies and wondered the same about how mistakes could get through, even if just being simple typos in expensive brochures. I do believe it was a huge mistake with no evil intent. Buyers of the product should be given the opportunity for complete refunds of all costs should they want to return the speakers. My little spout is over. The error has been corrected. |
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Post by marcl on Aug 14, 2022 18:53:53 GMT -5
This is a quote from the "Emotiva T3+" thread. Per Dan, -6 is 22hz. These appear to be true full range speakers for 2 channel fans Is it possible the -6dB Dan was spouting got confused with the +-3dB spec? Since Dan said it at a public event, is it possible that this -6dB @22hz was misinterpreted at a company meeting, was put into the printed and web material as the +-3dB spec, proofread by (x)number of people, totally approved, then printed and posted? Yes. Frequency range is the first spec I look at when reading about speakers. This is not a spec with which to make such a blunder. With that said, I have seen errors from many super large multinational companies and wondered the same about how mistakes could get through, even if just being simple typos in expensive brochures. I do believe it was a huge mistake with no evil intent. Buyers of the product should be given the opportunity for complete refunds of all costs should they want to return the speakers. My little spout is over. The error has been corrected. Back in the day, companies published an anechoic response plot. No, we don't listen in an anechoic chamber ... but it gave us apples:apples to start with. |
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Post by ttocs on Aug 14, 2022 19:05:35 GMT -5
Back in the day, companies published an anechoic response plot. No, we don't listen in an anechoic chamber ... but it gave us apples:apples to start with. Yep. Publish the graph and we could see what we want to see. It also could've prevented such a mistake if someone were to look at a graph and compare it to written spec. |
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Post by KeithL on Aug 15, 2022 10:37:37 GMT -5
C'mon already... yes it was just a typo... and it's already been corrected... (sorry; we're only human)  And here's a link to the updated manual.... www.dropbox.com/s/kzy2ua15qd5s7or/2022-08-12%20-%20Airmotiv%20Speakers%20User%20Manual%20V23.pdf?dl=0(The update to the link on the product page will take a while to propagate.) WHOA!!! STOP THE PRESSES! Emotiva has just CHANGED THEIR ONLINE PUBLISHED SPECIFICATIONS for the Emotiva T3+ speakers. Their previous published -3dB frequency was an amazing 22 Hz. NOW, their online spec page says 29 Hz! I’d think that the new spec is more credible than the previous one (based on the cabinet size and sensitivity rating), but the questions remain: - Who came up with the vaporware spec of 22 Hz and why?
- Why was that number on the spec page at the Texas audio show AND when the speakers first appeared for sale on the Emotiva website?
- Will Emotiva offer a full refund (with free freight return shipping) to those who bought the speakers because of the false and misleading spec?
Not meaning to accuse Emotiva of deliberate fraud, but misstating bass roll off by nearly half an octave is a HUGE distortion of a highly critical spec. And from a consumer standpoint, the question must also be asked, “If Emotiva fudged the bass extension spec on the T3+ speaker, what OTHER specs are false?” A responsible company should not quietly change a critical spec on a flagship product in hopes that no one will notice. A full explanation is deserved. And don’t try to pass it off as a simple typo either. Emotiva’s corporate credibility is looking BAD here, and you know it, Mr. Laufman. So, to ask politely, what happened and why? Glenn Young (aka Boomzilla) |
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Post by geebo on Aug 15, 2022 11:05:42 GMT -5
C'mon already... yes it was just a typo... and it's already been corrected... (sorry; we're only human) And here's a link to the updated manual.... www.dropbox.com/s/kzy2ua15qd5s7or/2022-08-12%20-%20Airmotiv%20Speakers%20User%20Manual%20V23.pdf?dl=0(The update to the link on the product page will take a while to propagate.) WHOA!!! STOP THE PRESSES! Emotiva has just CHANGED THEIR ONLINE PUBLISHED SPECIFICATIONS for the Emotiva T3+ speakers. Their previous published -3dB frequency was an amazing 22 Hz. NOW, their online spec page says 29 Hz! I’d think that the new spec is more credible than the previous one (based on the cabinet size and sensitivity rating), but the questions remain: - Who came up with the vaporware spec of 22 Hz and why?
- Why was that number on the spec page at the Texas audio show AND when the speakers first appeared for sale on the Emotiva website?
- Will Emotiva offer a full refund (with free freight return shipping) to those who bought the speakers because of the false and misleading spec?
Not meaning to accuse Emotiva of deliberate fraud, but misstating bass roll off by nearly half an octave is a HUGE distortion of a highly critical spec. And from a consumer standpoint, the question must also be asked, “If Emotiva fudged the bass extension spec on the T3+ speaker, what OTHER specs are false?” A responsible company should not quietly change a critical spec on a flagship product in hopes that no one will notice. A full explanation is deserved. And don’t try to pass it off as a simple typo either. Emotiva’s corporate credibility is looking BAD here, and you know it, Mr. Laufman. So, to ask politely, what happened and why? Glenn Young (aka Boomzilla) Looks like the cat is out of the bag. It was a mistake that got corrected. Nothing to see here. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 15, 2022 11:36:29 GMT -5
Wow - Long time it took to catch a typo , but I’ll take your word for it.
Finis.
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Post by red5ive on Aug 15, 2022 12:03:29 GMT -5
And I was thinking they accidentally swapped the numbers around. Oh wait... Joking aside and not to be argumentative, but if my local Ford SVT dealer during a routine service visit can rotate my tires rear-to-front/front-to-back when I was running 295s on the rear vs 225s in the front on my Mustang - and the tech, who was likely just an entry level worker, STILL couldn't tell the difference in weight and size after pulling the wheels off and handling them, and that this was in the late 90s when kids weren't raised with constant distractions from mobile devices and social media - I think a typo by whoever was inputting data into the manual and website, which I doubt was a gear-head, is forgivable at least once. |
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