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Post by leonski on Mar 14, 2023 0:52:35 GMT -5
ALWAYS use such electronics in a well ventilated space. I personally do NOT stack......
Fans can sometimes create problems by 'trapping' air.
You will find some amps, mainly Class 'A' which weigh about 1 kilo per 2 watts.....In USA, about a pound a watt.
Such amps are highly inefficient.
Just for example? Pass Labs XA60.8 goes nearly 90lb for an amp rated at 60x2. And uses 370 watts just Sitting......
I'd love these in the WINTER around my house....but they'd drive me out, come summer.
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Post by cwt on Mar 14, 2023 1:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by leonski on Mar 14, 2023 13:15:09 GMT -5
That is the problem iwth 'classes' of amp.
the MR1 is 90% chance an A/B output. that' 'H' nonsense? Deals with Power Supply. Rails? Amy may
spend most of it's life at some low voltage with only tapping the higher voltage part of the PS for LOUD passages.....
Real measure is 'plug to speak' efficiency which is not all that high......maybe 50% at very high levels and
lower at more reasonable volumes.....
In any event? cooler tends to be better and DO NOT STACK with other power components.
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Post by red5ive on Mar 14, 2023 14:41:09 GMT -5
Does the MR1 have any drc/volume leveling (aka night mode)? And is there also a center channel/dialog boost related to said feature? I watch movies at night every so often and don't want to wake the household, so these features interest me.
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Post by doubled on Mar 20, 2023 13:13:58 GMT -5
OK all, new to the lounge. SO... I bit the bullet and bought a new MR 1. AND, I also bought a new MC 1. Why both ?? Well I now have a XPA 5 and an UMC 200. So I thought of using the XPA 5 with the MC 1. OR.... Just return the MC 1 and stick with the MR 1. Tough for me to decide. I have NOT opened either yet, got a price that I could not pass up from EMOTIVA. I only run a 5.1 system now. If I keep the MR 1, I may add some additional rear speakers to my surrounds, so 7.1. Just cant decide. So your opinions may help me to decide, XPA 5 with the MC 1.... OR.... MR 1 only  The XPA would be easy to sell off, the UMC 200 not so much. OK ... let me know what you all think, thanks, D. |
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Post by leonski on Mar 21, 2023 1:04:53 GMT -5
It really depends on YOU and your system goals. Happy with 5.1? No reason to change.
It also partly depend on the room. Can you integrate the additional speakers AND wiring for a 7.x system?
Is there budget and room in the Electrical Service Panel to run an additional circuit or more TO the HT setup?
Could you be better served in a larger room with a 2nd sub, rather than additional surround speakers?
And what KIND of speakers? Will you be able to buy a speaker which is a good match? (not decorating, but SOUND?)
Any thought to a way to better your room? Even some very modest diffusion properly done will help. You DO NOT
want to end up with something like an inert recording studio. That's the wrong idea. But reducing first reflections
and a few other things CAN help a good system sound REALLY good......
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 21, 2023 6:50:30 GMT -5
OK all, new to the lounge. SO... I bit the bullet and bought a new MR 1. AND, I also bought a new MC 1. Why both ?? Well I now have a XPA 5 and an UMC 200. So I thought of using the XPA 5 with the MC 1. OR.... Just return the MC 1 and stick with the MR 1. Tough for me to decide. I have NOT opened either yet, got a price that I could not pass up from EMOTIVA. I only run a 5.1 system now. If I keep the MR 1, I may add some additional rear speakers to my surrounds, so 7.1. Just cant decide. So your opinions may help me to decide, XPA 5 with the MC 1.... OR.... MR 1 only The XPA would be easy to sell off, the UMC 200 not so much. OK ... let me know what you all think, thanks, D. As leonski says, it all depends on what you want to do. Having separates allows you to make changes such as sending the XPA-5 back in to Emotiva expanding capability beyond the 5.1 system. This also allows you to buy a new amp or preamp for future expansion/changes...new room correction capabilities, etc. The downside to separates is additional boxes and cables. Having a receiver limits the number of "boxes", however you can always add an amp as needed to move beyond the 5.1 scenario. Edit: or additional power if you feel the receiver is not up to par. The MR-1 should be more than capable however. For me, I'm happy that I went to separates from my last Pioneer Elite receiver when I bought the first Emotiva XPA-5 Gen 1 and then the XMC-1. I'm now on the XMC-2 and XPA-5 Gen 3. Room correction with Dirac was greatly improved even though I had a learning curve. I'm glad I went in that direction, however if the MR-1 had been available, I may have purchased it instead! In summary, if you go with the MR-1, you pretty much have all you need for a fantastic surround sound and music system. You would save money in the long run not having to buy additional boxes, cables, etc. If you go with separates, you have future expandability as well as being able to change amp(s), add to amp(s), processor if there is a failure or future features available as technology marches on. |
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Post by leonski on Mar 21, 2023 21:06:44 GMT -5
OK all, new to the lounge. SO... I bit the bullet and bought a new MR 1. AND, I also bought a new MC 1. Why both ?? Well I now have a XPA 5 and an UMC 200. So I thought of using the XPA 5 with the MC 1. OR.... Just return the MC 1 and stick with the MR 1. Tough for me to decide. I have NOT opened either yet, got a price that I could not pass up from EMOTIVA. I only run a 5.1 system now. If I keep the MR 1, I may add some additional rear speakers to my surrounds, so 7.1. Just cant decide. So your opinions may help me to decide, XPA 5 with the MC 1.... OR.... MR 1 only The XPA would be easy to sell off, the UMC 200 not so much. OK ... let me know what you all think, thanks, D. As leonski says, it all depends on what you want to do. Having separates allows you to make changes such as sending the XPA-5 back in to Emotiva expanding capability beyond the 5.1 system. This also allows you to buy a new amp or preamp for future expansion/changes...new room correction capabilities, etc. The downside to separates is additional boxes and cables. Having a receiver limits the number of "boxes", however you can always add an amp as needed to move beyond the 5.1 scenario. Edit: or additional power if you feel the receiver is not up to par. The MR-1 should be more than capable however. For me, I'm happy that I went to separates from my last Pioneer Elite receiver when I bought the first Emotiva XPA-5 Gen 1 and then the XMC-1. I'm now on the XMC-2 and XPA-5 Gen 3. Room correction with Dirac was greatly improved even though I had a learning curve. I'm glad I went in that direction, however if the MR-1 had been available, I may have purchased it instead! In summary, if you go with the MR-1, you pretty much have all you need for a fantastic surround sound and music system. You would save money in the long run not having to buy additional boxes, cables, etc. If you go with separates, you have future expandability as well as being able to change amp(s), add to amp(s), processor if there is a failure or future features available as technology marches on. Caw has a couple good points. But IMO, still putting the cart half a step or more BEFORE the horse....Forward compatibility is a good idea.....IF you know where you are and where you'd like to BE. I'd say.......'GOALS FIRST'. If you go to a train station, and buy a ticket, you KNOW where your intended destination is. But buying amps / pre amps and more and more 'stuff' is a recipe to drive yourself NUTS...Without a particular place to GO. It is just my OPINION, but I"d have some idea of the destination before I bought the ticket... Do NOT forget Infrastructure. Room can be bettered without destroying its functionality. A couple new 20 amp circuits will help allocate available plugs and not put All Equipment on a single circuit..... If you live in a town with an 'Audio Society', check them out. Go visit a good store (not Best) which has some relaxed sound rooms....(NOT stuffed with speakers......) Get out and LISTEN to stuff. If you are within a couple hundred miles of a Big Town? Get a room and make some appointments at a couple audio stores. Spend a couple days.....and take the spouse OUT TO A GOOD DINNER...... Or even a show / entertainment.......THAT kind of behavior pays dividends in the long run..... |
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Post by majk1103 on Mar 28, 2023 15:27:25 GMT -5
Hello guys, i have a question for already owners of MR1. I m thinking buy MR1 and need bit from owners to make me sure i m not making mistake. Can you provide me your feedback about MR1? Is it worth of money? Can you compare to some other brands? (Marantz, Denon) how is sound? Please let me know. Thank you Michael |
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Post by creimes on Mar 29, 2023 18:18:51 GMT -5
Hello guys, i have a question for already owners of MR1. I m thinking buy MR1 and need bit from owners to make me sure i m not making mistake. Can you provide me your feedback about MR1? Is it worth of money? Can you compare to some other brands? (Marantz, Denon) how is sound? Please let me know. Thank you Michael Also check out the reviews on the MR1 product page, may give you more insight into your questions. Cheers, |
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Post by deathbytinnitus on Apr 6, 2023 19:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by Snoman on Apr 20, 2023 9:21:09 GMT -5
Emotiva has clearly explained this, enough for any laymen to understand. The liability associated with a commercial legitimatize corporate business performing libel against a global world standard isn't smart to say the least. 2.1 certification is 100% real, there is nothing false about it and the certification is explained on their website. If (x)-hz refresh, 8k, y-bandwidth are important, it is the buyers responsibility to ensure every piece of the chain is qualified to the same standard, something none of those YouTube hacks discuss. |
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Post by One Hand Clapping on Apr 28, 2023 11:56:56 GMT -5
And here we go again. Denon is introducing a new flagship receiver for $6500.00! Yeah okay great, they are doing some good things, but how does that stack with the fact I can get 3 MR-1s for that and pocket some change. Emotiva is holding the for what counts, and doing it right. Denon wants to do the right thing too, but $6500.00 is what it will cost you. Talk about a false economy there. Score another for the MR-1. I've run Denon for 25+ years -- solid equipment, but the toll for their new flagship really turned me off, largely because so much of the machine went to extra zones and features that do nothing for sound quality. When the MR1 popped up, I grabbed it. Nothing there but single room high performance no BS specs. I should have dumped Denon years ago, the MR1 solidly beats the Denon is replaces in every way. I would have never guessed that changing AVRs would make so much difference in the listening experience. Live and learn. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 28, 2023 14:39:28 GMT -5
Can someone explain the attraction of the HT receiver? And at the stratospheric price of the new Denon 'flagship'? Given that this beast will be obsoleted in a year and technologically obsolete in 18 months?
Good amps, which are better than ANY HT product will last thru several upgrade cycles lowering cost. A good HT level Pre-Pro MUST be less coin than the Denon.
I know its years, but the last time I just looked at the HT receiver isle (modest end, for sure) they all ran HOT....Some alarmngly so.
And to Snoman? the tech company I worked for kind of did a related thing. Suing other tech companies over PATENTs and INTELLECTUAL property is apparently a regular part of doing businsss.
The sale of much intellectual property and manufacturing rights TO Vishay started another round of lawyering up. I have no idea how all that nuttiness turned out.
What MOST players in manufacturing conform to are ISO standards and the periodic AUDIT by various organizations. I was thru half a dozen of them over the years.....As pleasant as a Colonoscopy.....
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 28, 2023 16:36:53 GMT -5
Can someone explain the attraction of the HT receiver? And at the stratospheric price of the new Denon 'flagship'? Given that this beast will be obsoleted in a year and technologically obsolete in 18 months? Good amps, which are better than ANY HT product will last thru several upgrade cycles lowering cost. A good HT level Pre-Pro MUST be less coin than the Denon. I know its years, but the last time I just looked at the HT receiver isle (modest end, for sure) they all ran HOT....Some alarmngly so. And to Snoman? the tech company I worked for kind of did a related thing. Suing other tech companies over PATENTs and INTELLECTUAL property is apparently a regular part of doing businsss. The sale of much intellectual property and manufacturing rights TO Vishay started another round of lawyering up. I have no idea how all that nuttiness turned out. What MOST players in manufacturing conform to are ISO standards and the periodic AUDIT by various organizations. I was thru half a dozen of them over the years.....As pleasant as a Colonoscopy..... Well here is the thing, a good Pre-Pro really is not any cheaper than these high end Marantz AVRs. At least not a huge enough cost difference where it makes separates a much better economic choice. So it becomes a question of what type of speakers is the user pushing. If they have a fairly nice HT with say in wall speakers etc you may never actually hear the difference between separates and a high end AVR. Totally different story if you are trying to push say a set of high end tower speakers that are being used in a stereo system. So sometimes it’s simply simpler for a user to install an AVR then go the route of separates. Realistically a brand new AVR bought today will be good to go for the next five years. And at that point it’s a simple one piece swap out. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 28, 2023 19:40:08 GMT -5
I think you got it. I forgot that most HT speakers are 'easy' loads. So the amps in HT receivers, as feeble as most are, should be Fine....
the other thing is as far as 'effects' to? NOBODY knows what it is supposed to sound like. Add a good sub for below 80 or so, and you should be golden.
As near as I can tell, I'd spend MORE on a sub that most would be good with. the SUB will last thru several setups and bigg IS better in this regard.
But for ME? It is a tough sell to buy stuff which is 'replaceable' in 5 years.....That Denon would run you 1300$ per year and who would give you even 1000$ for it at that point?
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Post by Snoman on May 22, 2023 9:55:21 GMT -5
1st tier bleeding edge DACs from AKM and Sabre are less than $50/unit. Topping and others sell their complete units around $550 and they score reliably year end year out as the best of the best available. 10 year old DACs are cheap ($1/unit), effectively free. Good DACs from 3-5 years ago run $10-$15/unit, though I wouldn't call $50 per DAC "costly" by any means. There is an argument surrounding chip integration with PCBs and possible supply chain issues, however other companies are seemingly proving these are also easily manageable, laughable even.
...I have so many thoughts right now, but I am curious as to what you might consider to be a better DAC? The chip alone does not tell the story. And no DSD in the MR-1. That's a reasonable question and it should include the type of DAC as well as the brand and part number. The '528 is a reasonable part, but it is considered more mid-stream. Many products have used it with success for years. However, as such it is not up to the performance of another long time standby, the TI PCM1792A. Does more, sounds better. THe cost issue, however, is that is a two-channel part and to use them in something like the MR1 you would need seven of them. That ain't cheap. THat would, however, allow DSD on at least L/R channels for stereo if used for that purpose and then a '528 for the rest. Above that, now that AKM is back on line to some extent, their DAC parts are regarded by many as the best, but the good ones are costly and in fairness would be work from a BOM cost standpoint in the MR1. Probably more suitable for something int he XMC/RMC price range. There is also ESS, but opinions vary widely on them. Some like them, some don't. Yes, to continue to be fair, there are other parts of this relating to the circuitry around the actual DAC part and the full design and implementation of the DAC section. However, you can't squeeze blood from a stone. The spec of the chip sets the upper limit and the designer's goal is to make certain that is delivered. Again, given what I suspect were cost parameters, using the '528 part isn't a bad choice, but for an AVR in the $2k price band it falls short of what one might expect. THe truth, as always, is in the listening and that is in the ear of the beholder. |
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Post by nrcrash on Jun 9, 2023 9:48:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the mr1 will be back in stock? Is it a supply chain issue or are they making some minor changes to the unit?
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 9, 2023 9:58:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the mr1 will be back in stock? Is it a supply chain issue or are they making some minor changes to the unit? Give Emo a call or chat, send an email. Likely they are popular and temporarily sold out. |
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Post by Snoman on Jul 21, 2023 6:08:14 GMT -5
Can someone explain the attraction of the HT receiver? And at the stratospheric price of the new Denon 'flagship'? Given that this beast will be obsoleted in a year and technologically obsolete in 18 months? Good amps, which are better than ANY HT product will last thru several upgrade cycles lowering cost. A good HT level Pre-Pro MUST be less coin than the Denon. I know its years, but the last time I just looked at the HT receiver isle (modest end, for sure) they all ran HOT....Some alarmngly so. And to Snoman? the tech company I worked for kind of did a related thing. Suing other tech companies over PATENTs and INTELLECTUAL property is apparently a regular part of doing businsss. The sale of much intellectual property and manufacturing rights TO Vishay started another round of lawyering up. I have no idea how all that nuttiness turned out. What MOST players in manufacturing conform to are ISO standards and the periodic AUDIT by various organizations. I was thru half a dozen of them over the years.....As pleasant as a Colonoscopy.....
The attraction of the HTR, AVR, or singular black box controlling everything is honestly more of a failure of consumer knowledge than anything else. No different than moths being attracted to light/flame, consumers chasing these products simply have absolutely no comprehension of audio, engineering or physics. This is of course, an assumption of all things being equal which we know, are not. Most consumers couldn't begin to grasp the difference between OFC and CCA or language related to harmonics and distortion, much less fathom entry level home theater equations like subwoofer size to room size. On top of lack of knowledge, add to the fact of wives chasing their perfect esthetic living room or even something as simple as not knowing how to work multiple remotes, we are left with the perfect scenario for a consumer to simply "lay down" at the first sales pitch. Who wants all those wires and complications, set up procedures that read like college text books well over 100 pages in length, and why on earth would I spend $30 per cable for some scam called 'XLR'? Manufactures pray on consumers being dumb, advertising campaigns succeed by disorienting those ignorant enough to fall for it.
I saw this first hand within Circuit City back in the day. We sold more Home Theater In-a-box units at our stores than separates 7 days a week. The masses do not care about audio quality and neither did company profits. The consumer shift from audio quality to cheap within the audio industry started about 20 years ago. Today, most will just about sacrifice their first born to achieve simplicity and convenience. My own wife wouldn't let me pair a $5,000 5.1 system to our bedroom TV because it meant three remotes. She eventually caved because I threatened to put it in the Kitchen, but I still had to consolidate remotes. This shift in esthetics over quality went into a free fall with the advent of MP3 honestly. Allowing consumers to have 80% of the real product (FLAC/LL/CD/Album/etc), while tricking them that it's the real deal turned into a trillion dollar business that no one could have imagined. One of the greatest laughs I still have today is that consumers actually believe the sticker in their cars representing some speaker brand is actually real and not in fact, just a piece of licensing the automaker paid while shoving some random $0.25 speaker product in the door manufactured by the cheapest bidder out of china. You think that's a McIntosh product in your 2023 Jeep eh? Pssst....licensing.
From a technology perspective, the flagship Denon was a joke even before it hit the shelves. The technology it represents is akin to buying a state of the art gaming computer, except the computer is 10 years old and someone simply installed new software in it and trippled the original MSRP. The A1H represents nothing new, except profits, but hey....you know, go Denon! Most consumers aren't even aware of the fact there is no real R&D over there and that Marantz is the same company, sorta, but not, but is---ish...something. Marantz gets the better products and represents "the Denon pre-pro line", except...they have their own AVRs also. Consolidation of manufactures gets confusing quickly, like did DEIH destroy both company integrities or was it their current owners, S.U.?
Consumers simply do not care and manufactures are happy to rake in the profits.
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