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Post by berniebot on Feb 5, 2023 16:22:48 GMT -5
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looks like you have the same gear as I do (Speakers, apple TV). I'm thinking about getting the MR1. How does it sound playing music? Do you feel it has enough power for the B&W 702 s2?
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Post by leonski on Feb 5, 2023 17:55:22 GMT -5
www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-702-s2-loudspeaker-measurementsSpeaker is fairly sensitivy at about 90db. But does drop to 3.1 ohms on an 8 ohm 'nominal' rating. Stereophile liked 'em with the A31.....2 channels of which are basically an A21 of 250x2 @8 ohms. In a small room? You probably won't need that kind of 'ooomph' but be able to make do with 1/2 that or so. Call it 3db less power. The A23 might work, if you like the Parasound presentation.... Read the review to get some idea what and WHY the reviewer makes the choices he makes..... He also recommends using an amp with strong 4 ohm ratings. IMO? You might want to consider a good power and low distortion at the lower impedance rating..... I would ALSO suggest that few if Any HT amps or 'integrateds' (like the mr1) need apply......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 18:35:23 GMT -5
After connecting the AppleTV to the HDMI 2 input I have not had anymore issues with DV. I tortured it pretty good yesterday and it didn’t blink an eye. So, I am starting to think the HDMI 1 input may have a problem in my unit. This could be an RMA situation. Why don't you try to connect it back to the HDMI 1 input and check if the issue reappears? I know, it is annoying, but it would be a way to be sure once and for all. It might still be possible that changing physical HDMI input in reality just reset the handshake. Sometime HDMI has a mind of its own... Yep, that was my plan. Just trying to give HDMI 2 a few days to show any problems before switching back. |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 5, 2023 19:15:15 GMT -5
...so if indeed the MR1 is an MC1 with amplification and if it's using the same firmware, I would guess that EMO-Q for both MC1 and MR1 are the same... Silly me! DOH! I should have seen that right way. If this is, indeed, the case, the value proposition here comes from the value the buyer ascribes to the built in amps rather than buying the MC1 and adding your own amps. Or, if you already have a multichannel amp, use that and add a few more channels if needed. I guess by seeing this as "new" I had hoped that there would be some new things on the processor side of things. Not good or bad, but just another way to look at the value prop. |
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Post by berniebot on Feb 5, 2023 20:12:24 GMT -5
www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-702-s2-loudspeaker-measurementsSpeaker is fairly sensitivy at about 90db. But does drop to 3.1 ohms on an 8 ohm 'nominal' rating. Stereophile liked 'em with the A31.....2 channels of which are basically an A21 of 250x2 @8 ohms. In a small room? You probably won't need that kind of 'ooomph' but be able to make do with 1/2 that or so. Call it 3db less power. The A23 might work, if you like the Parasound presentation.... Read the review to get some idea what and WHY the reviewer makes the choices he makes..... He also recommends using an amp with strong 4 ohm ratings. IMO? You might want to consider a good power and low distortion at the lower impedance rating..... I would ALSO suggest that few if Any HT amps or 'integrateds' (like the mr1) need apply...... |
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Post by berniebot on Feb 5, 2023 20:20:12 GMT -5
I have a 3 channel separate osd amp rates at 165 per channel. If I use the pre puts on the MR1 , should that be enough to power the B&W 702 s2?
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Post by leonski on Feb 5, 2023 21:17:42 GMT -5
I have a 3 channel separate osd amp rates at 165 per channel. If I use the pre puts on the MR1 , should that be enough to power the B&W 702 s2? Read the review at Stereophile.....IF the amp is comfortable down to 4 ohms, and you are not trying in TOO large a room (cavern size, maybe?) you should be fine..... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 22:07:07 GMT -5
balthazar2k4 looks like you have the same gear as I do (Speakers, apple TV). I'm thinking about getting the MR1. How does it sound playing music? Do you feel it has enough power for the B&W 702 s2? I haven't spent much time listening to music with the MR-1. I have a dedicated system for that. For home theater use I feel the MR-1 offers plenty of dynamics and volume for my needs. That said, it may or may not be enough for you. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 5, 2023 23:55:26 GMT -5
balthazar2k4 looks like you have the same gear as I do (Speakers, apple TV). I'm thinking about getting the MR1. How does it sound playing music? Do you feel it has enough power for the B&W 702 s2? I haven't spent much time listening to music with the MR-1. I have a dedicated system for that. For home theater use I feel the MR-1 offers plenty of dynamics and volume for my needs. That said, it may or may not be enough for you. Congrats, Balthazar. Good answer. People gotta go listen to stuff. and while you are happy, nothing says Bernie would also be satisfied. Putting TOO Much stock in the subjective part of a review is also not my idea of a good time...... So? Good on 'ya. Gotta go Hear Stuff....... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 0:05:19 GMT -5
After success with HDMI 2, I decided to try going back to the original input I had the AppleTV on (HDMI 1). So far, I have had weird DRC problems despite it being turned off and the MR-1 randomly came to life this evening despite nothing being touched. I was watching season 3 of Jack Ryan and all of the gunfire and explosions were weirdly quiet and vocals were strong. It reminded me very much of dynamic range compression. I really don’t know what is happening and will go back to HDMI 2 and replay the Jack Ryan episode to see if the same effect happens. On the plus side, no DV/blank screen problems so far.
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Post by akcorr on Feb 6, 2023 6:32:29 GMT -5
After success with HDMI 2, I decided to try going back to the original input I had the AppleTV on (HDMI 1). So far, I have had weird DRC problems despite it being turned off and the MR-1 randomly came to life this evening despite nothing being touched. I was watching season 3 of Jack Ryan and all of the gunfire and explosions were weirdly quiet and vocals were strong. It reminded me very much of dynamic range compression. I really don’t know what is happening and will go back to HDMI 2 and replay the Jack Ryan episode to see if the same effect happens. On the plus side, no DV/blank screen problems so far. To be honest. While I love the Jack Ryan series I found that season 3 of Jack Ryan was muted as a whole. Story was good but the A/V presentation was sorely lacking IMHO. I would go with a physical disc that you're familiar with. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 6, 2023 8:01:49 GMT -5
After success with HDMI 2, I decided to try going back to the original input I had the AppleTV on (HDMI 1). So far, I have had weird DRC problems despite it being turned off and the MR-1 randomly came to life this evening despite nothing being touched. I was watching season 3 of Jack Ryan and all of the gunfire and explosions were weirdly quiet and vocals were strong. It reminded me very much of dynamic range compression. I really don’t know what is happening and will go back to HDMI 2 and replay the Jack Ryan episode to see if the same effect happens. On the plus side, no DV/blank screen problems so far. We just finished watching Jack Ryan Season 3. What I have noticed with any of the streaming services is that the audio is definitely compressed as compared to disc. I have to turn the volume up a bit to get close to the same effect, and even then it doesn't sound as good. In your case there may be more to it with HDMI 1. Probably worth a call into Emotiva support. Let us know what you find with HDMI 2. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 8:36:46 GMT -5
After success with HDMI 2, I decided to try going back to the original input I had the AppleTV on (HDMI 1). So far, I have had weird DRC problems despite it being turned off and the MR-1 randomly came to life this evening despite nothing being touched. I was watching season 3 of Jack Ryan and all of the gunfire and explosions were weirdly quiet and vocals were strong. It reminded me very much of dynamic range compression. I really don’t know what is happening and will go back to HDMI 2 and replay the Jack Ryan episode to see if the same effect happens. On the plus side, no DV/blank screen problems so far. We just finished watching Jack Ryan Season 3. What I have noticed with any of the streaming services is that the audio is definitely compressed as compared to disc. I have to turn the volume up a bit to get close to the same effect, and even then it doesn't sound as good. In your case there may be more to it with HDMI 1. Probably worth a call into Emotiva support. Let us know what you find with HDMI 2. This definitely wasn't the standard compressed audio issues due to streaming. This was all of the audio suddenly took a plunge in volume and then would jump back. If you have ever used aggressive dynamic range compression then that is exactly what it reminded me of. Going to test the same passage on HDMI 2. I figure If playback is good on HDMI 2 then I will contact Emotiva. This is starting to feel more and more like a possible defect specific to this unit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 11:34:01 GMT -5
As everyone suspected it was the content causing the issue. What's weird is that when I played it back on Amazon Prime this morning it was still doing it. Switched over to the Shield and it sounded normal finally. Switched back to the AppleTV and then it sounded normal too. I am starting to think I am losing my mind...
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 6, 2023 12:07:07 GMT -5
As everyone suspected it was the content causing the issue. What's weird is that when I played it back on Amazon Prime this morning it was still doing it. Switched over to the Shield and it sounded normal finally. Switched back to the AppleTV and then it sounded normal too. I am starting to think I am losing my mind... We have all been there at some point or another! Keep testing... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 6, 2023 13:26:47 GMT -5
Just saw that there is a new TVOS update (Apple TV) available. Not sure what it does, but it's there for download.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 6, 2023 13:50:16 GMT -5
As everyone suspected it was the content causing the issue. What's weird is that when I played it back on Amazon Prime this morning it was still doing it. Switched over to the Shield and it sounded normal finally. Switched back to the AppleTV and then it sounded normal too. I am starting to think I am losing my mind... You're not losing your mind... there have been all sorts of recent issues with the Amazon Prime app for the Apple TV platform. There's a longer history of issues if you read the ATV owners thread over on the AVS Forum. Each update seems to bring a different set of issues. Since they promote their own hardware, Amazon just doesn't seem to care too awfully much about getting their software "perfect" for the Apple TV... And since their FireOS is forked from Android, you'll probably have your best luck using a streaming device that also uses the Android TV platform such as your Shield. And having just read back through your most recent posts, I'm going to throw this out there just in case you didn't know... Whenever you connect your Apple TV to a new device, it's always best to perform a cold "hardware" reboot by unplugging it from the AC power. The ATV only imports fresh EDID information from a cold boot. "Hot plugging" can modify it, but it can also corrupt it and a "system" reboot does not clear it. Since devices like the Apple TV never truly power off, the only true and foolproof reboot is from a cold startup. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 14:11:50 GMT -5
As everyone suspected it was the content causing the issue. What's weird is that when I played it back on Amazon Prime this morning it was still doing it. Switched over to the Shield and it sounded normal finally. Switched back to the AppleTV and then it sounded normal too. I am starting to think I am losing my mind... You're not losing your mind... there have been all sorts of recent issues with the Amazon Prime app for the Apple TV platform. There's a longer history of issues if you read the ATV owners thread over on the AVS Forum. Each update seems to bring a different set of issues. Since they promote their own hardware, Amazon just doesn't seem to care too awfully much about getting their software "perfect" for the Apple TV... And since their FireOS is forked from Android, you'll probably have your best luck using a streaming device that also uses the Android TV platform such as your Shield. And having just read back through your most recent posts, I'm going to throw this out there just in case you didn't know... Whenever you connect your Apple TV to a new device, it's always best to perform a cold "hardware" reboot by unplugging it from the AC power. The ATV only imports fresh EDID information from a cold boot. "Hot plugging" can modify it, but it can also corrupt it and a "system" reboot does not clear it. Since devices like the Apple TV never truly power off, the only true and foolproof reboot is from a cold startup. Good call on a full power cycle on the AppleTV to ensure proper EDID to the MR-1. I’ll report back on results. |
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Post by berniebot on Feb 6, 2023 14:37:45 GMT -5
www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-702-s2-loudspeaker-measurementsSpeaker is fairly sensitivy at about 90db. But does drop to 3.1 ohms on an 8 ohm 'nominal' rating. Stereophile liked 'em with the A31.....2 channels of which are basically an A21 of 250x2 @8 ohms. In a small room? You probably won't need that kind of 'ooomph' but be able to make do with 1/2 that or so. Call it 3db less power. The A23 might work, if you like the Parasound presentation.... Read the review to get some idea what and WHY the reviewer makes the choices he makes..... He also recommends using an amp with strong 4 ohm ratings. IMO? You might want to consider a good power and low distortion at the lower impedance rating..... I would ALSO suggest that few if Any HT amps or 'integrateds' (like the mr1) need apply...... |
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Post by berniebot on Feb 6, 2023 14:42:36 GMT -5
I read the Stereophile article...way above my head. Here are the specs for the OSD amp. Good enough for B&w 702 LCR? I like the idea of combing the OSD Nero Amp with the MR1 driving the rest of my speakers (SVS prime elevation)
Amplifier Class: Class H
Channels/Zones: 3 Channels
Power Output @ 8 Ohm: 165W RMS per Channel
Power Output @ 4 Ohm: 260W RMS per Channel
Frequency Response: 7.5Hz to 80kHz +/-0.5dB
Impedance: 8 Ohm and 4 Ohm Stable
Transformer Type: .9 KVA toroidal
Inputs: XLR / RCA
Outputs: 4 per channel
Capacitors, number & size: 6800uf&12pcs
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