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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 15, 2022 6:58:42 GMT -5
Not sure what I will do. Seems a long way off and things could change. Plus I will be heading into retirement with other goals in mind. I don’t like the one year warranty if your current processor warranty expires. If you are trading in for a brand new unit shouldn’t the new machine have a full 5 Year warranty?
$699, yes….$1,099…..maybe….maybe not…….I traded my XMC-1…..
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Post by MukAudio on Oct 15, 2022 7:08:55 GMT -5
I see the concern about the tiered upgrade price based on what people paid.
On the one hand, they are effectively rewarding the early adopters who paid full retail and may have otherwise hesitated this go around since they saw the processors drop in price.
On the other, paying extra to be first is kind of the name of the game. Apple doesn’t do anything special for the people who paid $549 for the AirPods Max compared to me who got mine for much less.
One the third hand (lol), it’s not really hurting me to be charged the higher upgrade price. Yeah I’m not getting the sweetest deal, but I’m still coming out ahead versus just sitting around and waiting to buy a G4 when it comes out.
Mark
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Post by zdoggz on Oct 15, 2022 7:28:27 GMT -5
Q) What if I purchased my G3P with UFL or 40% card? If your purchase and discount was against a full retail price unit, you will pay $699. Should this Q be modified since we have confirmed the UFL pricey but the 40% upgrade card is still unclear? |
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Post by zdoggz on Oct 15, 2022 7:34:47 GMT -5
Wouldn’t it be nice to have Emotiva offer the UFL for a certain price (no transfers, no refunds) to those customers who want/plan to be loyal for years to come? Would seem like a Win-Win for both sides. Emotiva is rewarded by getting paid to give willing customers incentive to stick with them and buy their future products, and UFL members are rewarded with additional discounts by sticking with them! Seems like an interesting business model/concept if offered at the right price. 🤔
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Post by bitzerjdb on Oct 15, 2022 8:47:12 GMT -5
I agree and you are 100% correct, the new unit is at least a year away, stuff changes! I'm in the same boat with pricing, I would fully expect to pay ~$500 for the 8K board upgrade (normal pricing from other vendors doing board upgrades). If the new board worked without issues, I would have upgraded. If the proposed pricing stays the same, I will do the $699 upgrade (assuming the new processor is not a total bugfest). $699 is close enough to the $500 number that it makes sense for a new unit. I do hope that 3.0 firmware comes out and at least fixes some of the nagging issues in our existing units. Not sure what I will do. Seems a long way off and things could change. Plus I will be heading into retirement with other goals in mind. I don’t like the one year warranty if your current processor warranty expires. If you are trading in for a brand new unit shouldn’t the new machine have a full 5 Year warranty? $699, yes….$1,099…..maybe….maybe not…….I traded my XMC-1….. |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 15, 2022 9:48:58 GMT -5
I agree that this pricing structure becomes quite convoluted… Here’s my path… UMC-1 (paid full price) > XMC-1 (used the 40% “Next Gen” discount card that came with the UMC-1) > RMC-1L (XMC-1 trade in pricing). All were sponsored by Emotiva. So what’s my G4 cost since my path originates from a full price purchase… $699 or $1,099…? Along with the above, I’ve also purchased a UMC-200 (paid full price) and am a qualified UFL member. We’re a long way off from having the opportunity to purchase a G4, but I’m hoping that all of this “pricing” confusion gets sorted out soon. Either way, I’m thankful that an affordable upgrade path is even offered at all. I don’t see Marantz offering an option to trade in my 8805 towards an AV10. That’s a full price purchase on both…  |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 15, 2022 10:46:09 GMT -5
I agree that this pricing structure becomes quite convoluted… Here’s my path… UMC-1 (paid full price) > XMC-1 (used the 40% “Next Gen” discount card that came with the UMC-1) > RMC-1L (XMC-1 trade in pricing). All were sponsored by Emotiva. So what’s my G4 cost since my path originates from a full price purchase… $699 or $1,099…? Along with the above, I’ve also purchased a UMC-200 (paid full price) and am a qualified UFL member. We’re a long way off from having the opportunity to purchase a G4, but I’m hoping that all of this “pricing” confusion gets sorted out soon. Either way, I’m thankful that an affordable upgrade path is even offered at all. I don’t see Marantz offering an option to trade in my 8805 towards an AV10. That’s a full price purchase on both… EDIT: I'm actually not sure because of the XMC-1 upgrade...it may be $1399. It’s $699 for you. You have done quite well with processors with Emotiva. I started with the UMC-200 then used the UFL on the XMC-1. Then I sold the XMC-1 in anticipation of the XMC-2. This poor move had me go a year without a processor because the XMC-2 was delayed, then used the UFL for the XMC-2 along with the emobucks I won in axpona. I’m expecting my upgrade price to be $699 for the XMC-2+. |
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Post by jim80z on Oct 15, 2022 10:50:02 GMT -5
How did one get to become a UFL member? Can someone point me to what it provides? First time Im seeing the term.
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Post by aswiss on Oct 15, 2022 11:41:47 GMT -5
What about all of us here in Europe? I just bought my XMC2 2 weeks ago from Emotiva's International Distributor in Poland. Will they be offering the trade in program for us? Or will we have to ship the unit back to Emotiva headquarters in the US by ourselves? Because if that's the case, it's a no go. I really would appreciate an answer from Emotiva. I'm in the same boat - got mine from the German Dealer.
but even if my price is 1099$ (probably they will add on their income again in Europe - so it will be 1600€) - I would be still scared, to send out my device to somewhere in Poland or Denmark - to receive my new G4P. and some weeks without my setup 
I hope for the FW 3.0 - and will forget about the rest. If I have to move on with another brand - I will sell everything from Emotiva.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 15, 2022 11:50:08 GMT -5
My path…..40% towards XMC-1…..trade XMC-1 for XMC-2…..what’s my trade in amount?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 15, 2022 12:03:20 GMT -5
I agree that this pricing structure becomes quite convoluted… Here’s my path… UMC-1 (paid full price) > XMC-1 (used the 40% “Next Gen” discount card that came with the UMC-1) > RMC-1L (XMC-1 trade in pricing). All were sponsored by Emotiva. So what’s my G4 cost since my path originates from a full price purchase… $699 or $1,099…? Along with the above, I’ve also purchased a UMC-200 (paid full price) and am a qualified UFL member. We’re a long way off from having the opportunity to purchase a G4, but I’m hoping that all of this “pricing” confusion gets sorted out soon. Either way, I’m thankful that an affordable upgrade path is even offered at all. I don’t see Marantz offering an option to trade in my 8805 towards an AV10. That’s a full price purchase on both… My path…..40% towards XMC-1…..trade XMC-1 for XMC-2…..what’s my trade in amount? I believe this is answered in the FAQ and in both cases it’s the higher price because you got your G3P at a discount, but that’s my interpretation of what Hair Nick wrote. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 15, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
How did one get to become a UFL member? Can someone point me to what it provides? First time Im seeing the term. Upgrade For Life ended many years ago, or rather joining the club ended, the benefits are ‘for life’. It grants you a 25% discount on Processors, for buying certain processors in the past. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 15, 2022 12:08:27 GMT -5
This is starting to sound like that life insurance commercial. "My body is falling apart, what's my price?", "Just $9.99 a month."
Don't get me wrong, it's actually good to get these questions out there because on the surface it seems easy, then each of us has a different twist on how we got here.
From what I've seen Nick respond to regarding upgrade, it appears to me that it's more important to Emotiva how we got our G3P than any of the previous processors.
The G4P Trade-In Program should be interesting.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 15, 2022 12:09:07 GMT -5
Q) What if I purchased my G3P with UFL or 40% card? If your purchase and discount was against a full retail price unit, you will pay $699. Should this Q be modified since we have confirmed the UFL pricey but the 40% upgrade card is still unclear? I think I’m right and have invited Hair Nick to correct any of my responses that are incorrect. |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 15, 2022 12:14:15 GMT -5
How did one get to become a UFL member? Can someone point me to what it provides? First time Im seeing the term. The “Upgrade for Life” program was offered by Emotiva as a replacement for the original “40% Off Next Generation” discount cards that you’ve probably already heard discussed. The UFL program is inclusive of anyone who purchased a qualifying Emotiva processor at full price. The program closed on April 30, 2015, but if you made such purchase before the program ended, you’re in for life. Just like with anything else, Dan took a lot of grief for closing the program, but he explains it very clearly… HEREHope this helps…  |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 15, 2022 12:18:52 GMT -5
I agree that this pricing structure becomes quite convoluted… Here’s my path… UMC-1 (paid full price) > XMC-1 (used the 40% “Next Gen” discount card that came with the UMC-1) > RMC-1L (XMC-1 trade in pricing). All were sponsored by Emotiva. So what’s my G4 cost since my path originates from a full price purchase… $699 or $1,099…? Along with the above, I’ve also purchased a UMC-200 (paid full price) and am a qualified UFL member. We’re a long way off from having the opportunity to purchase a G4, but I’m hoping that all of this “pricing” confusion gets sorted out soon. Either way, I’m thankful that an affordable upgrade path is even offered at all. I don’t see Marantz offering an option to trade in my 8805 towards an AV10. That’s a full price purchase on both… My path…..40% towards XMC-1…..trade XMC-1 for XMC-2…..what’s my trade in amount? I believe this is answered in the FAQ and in both cases it’s the higher price because you got your G3P at a discount, but that’s my interpretation of what Hair Nick wrote. That was my interpretation too. No complaints from me either way as I’m thankful to have an affordable upgrade path. The Marantz upgrade path is $7,000.00… 😂 |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 15, 2022 12:38:49 GMT -5
How did one get to become a UFL member? Can someone point me to what it provides? First time Im seeing the term. Emotiva back in their hey days when they made right decision after right decision AND when production in China was super inexpensive gave us consumers a nice discount program since processors eventually go obsolete. I was fully onboard with this idea. Then a guy from Theta joined them and convinced Big Dan and Lonnie this silly idea of selling processors that are "upgradeable" which is where we are today. While the intention is good, it just doesn't work because as history has shown, it's next to impossible to predict the future and allow for that in hardware. So they got rid of UFL - a brilliant loyalty program that actually was the reason why I bought the XMC-2 because the deal was too good even though I was so irritated they delayed the product so much that I was out of a processor for over a year. Then to make matters worse (for me at the time) they did this trade in program since they realized the XMC-1 was actually not upgradeable but they made good on their promise (this I gotta hand it to Big Dan and Emotiva). And they are continuing this with the PLUS versions of these processors. I don't know how much they are losing with this upgrade program but if they would have left well enough alone and NOT have started this forever upgradeable nonsense talk, IMHO they would have been much better off from both a financial and product delivery standpoint. It's much harder when you have to keep thinking about how to retrofit vs just do a clean sheet design - especially when their last gamble of going custom vs using a OEM kit for their processors went against them with Dirac and DLBC. But I will take it since I bought my XMC-2 using UFL, the upgrade will be $699. I can't complain about that. If Emotiva gives me an option to KEEP my XMC-2 since it's just a box for them and purchase the XMC-2+ for a substantial discount (where they hopefully don't lose money - yes I care), I would be willing to do that as well since I need a second processor to replace a crappy Sony receiver (but is low priority since we have 3 systems at my house for me and the kids). |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 15, 2022 12:45:17 GMT -5
How did one get to become a UFL member? Can someone point me to what it provides? First time Im seeing the term. Emotiva back in their hey days when they made right decision after right decision AND when production in China was super inexpensive gave us consumers a nice discount program since processors eventually go obsolete. I was fully onboard with this idea. Then a guy from Theta joined them and convinced Big Dan and Lonnie this silly idea of selling processors that are "upgradeable" which is where we are today. While the intention is good, it just doesn't work because as history has shown, it's next to impossible to predict the future and allow for that in hardware. So they got rid of UFL - a brilliant loyalty program that actually was the reason why I bought the XMC-2 because the deal was too good even though I was so irritated they delayed the product so much that I was out of a processor for over a year. Then to make matters worse (for me at the time) they did this trade in program since they realized the XMC-1 was actually not upgradeable but they made good on their promise (this I gotta hand it to Big Dan and Emotiva). And they are continuing this with the PLUS versions of these processors. I don't know how much they are losing with this upgrade program but if they would have left well enough alone and NOT have started this forever upgradeable nonsense talk, IMHO they would have been much better off from both a financial and product delivery standpoint. It's much harder when you have to keep thinking about how to retrofit vs just do a clean sheet design - especially when their last gamble of going custom vs using a OEM kit for their processors went against them with Dirac and DLBC. But I will take it since I bought my XMC-2 using UFL, the upgrade will be $699. I can't complain about that. If Emotiva gives me an option to KEEP my XMC-2 since it's just a box for them and purchase the XMC-2+ for a substantial discount (where they hopefully don't lose money - yes I care), I would be willing to do that as well since I need a second processor to replace a crappy Sony receiver (but is low priority since we have 3 systems at my house for me and the kids). I’ll say the returned XMC-2 is not just a box for Emotiva. I’m sure they will sell them at like $1500 or so each, just like they were selling the traded in XMC-1s during that swap program. |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 15, 2022 13:05:24 GMT -5
Emotiva back in their hey days when they made right decision after right decision AND when production in China was super inexpensive gave us consumers a nice discount program since processors eventually go obsolete. I was fully onboard with this idea. Then a guy from Theta joined them and convinced Big Dan and Lonnie this silly idea of selling processors that are "upgradeable" which is where we are today. While the intention is good, it just doesn't work because as history has shown, it's next to impossible to predict the future and allow for that in hardware. So they got rid of UFL - a brilliant loyalty program that actually was the reason why I bought the XMC-2 because the deal was too good even though I was so irritated they delayed the product so much that I was out of a processor for over a year. Then to make matters worse (for me at the time) they did this trade in program since they realized the XMC-1 was actually not upgradeable but they made good on their promise (this I gotta hand it to Big Dan and Emotiva). And they are continuing this with the PLUS versions of these processors. I don't know how much they are losing with this upgrade program but if they would have left well enough alone and NOT have started this forever upgradeable nonsense talk, IMHO they would have been much better off from both a financial and product delivery standpoint. It's much harder when you have to keep thinking about how to retrofit vs just do a clean sheet design - especially when their last gamble of going custom vs using a OEM kit for their processors went against them with Dirac and DLBC. But I will take it since I bought my XMC-2 using UFL, the upgrade will be $699. I can't complain about that. If Emotiva gives me an option to KEEP my XMC-2 since it's just a box for them and purchase the XMC-2+ for a substantial discount (where they hopefully don't lose money - yes I care), I would be willing to do that as well since I need a second processor to replace a crappy Sony receiver (but is low priority since we have 3 systems at my house for me and the kids). I’ll say the returned XMC-2 is not just a box for Emotiva. I’m sure they will sell them at like $1500 or so each, just like they were selling the traded in XMC-1s during that swap program. Oh that's right. I'll just buy it on the other side then. Thanks for the reminder! |
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Post by leonski on Oct 15, 2022 15:07:22 GMT -5
IF I were a HT guy, I sure wouldn't buy the 'first edition'.
History (not just EMO) tells me the software / firmware may be buggy or have a glitch......
I'd wait a few months at least for some feedback AND any upgrades that EMO offers for such firmware / software.....
Example? I was a fairly early adopter of a Nikon Mirrorless camera. Came with firmware 1.03 or some such.
I'm now UP to FW3.2 and virtually all the original autofocus issue have been addressed and improved.
Not that it was bad to begin with, but FUNCTIONALITY has been added for facial / eye recognition and tracking.
Now? It is QUITE a useful Wedding Photography tool with few missed shots......
For photographers? Metering / memory / speeds / RAW are all to a very high standard......
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