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Post by KeithL on Oct 17, 2022 9:35:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry too much about Auro3D... www.audioholics.com/audio-technologies/auro-3d-bankruptcyAlthough it will be interesting to see what happens there. Now... the G3Ps use the same AD "Griffin Lite" DSP as the 8805 uses. The 8805 never had Dirac and never will. The G3Ps required the advent of the external "black box" in order for Emotiva to deliver upon their promise of Dirac support. I've also read that AD is no longer writing patches for the Griffin Lite (which may also partially explain why we are where we are) and will not support the newer versions of DSU or DTS-X Pro. So, with that said, it's my hunch that Emotiva will also need to make a DSP change to even think about delivering anything above what they've currently managed to do. And since they're moving to TI DACs, I have to wonder if a change to TI DSPs is also being considered...  A very good assumption Doc . Back to when the xmc1 had TI processing and built in dirac . Emo has taken note of Arcam jbl synthesis audio control etc and seen what can be added with their TI dsp's ; a full list including DBLC .. It is notable that all the rest have auro 3d and auromatic but I guess Emo is sticking to its "wheres the discs" policy . Wonder if just the upmixer can be licensed ? Or logic 7 or something from the past  |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 17, 2022 9:38:22 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 17, 2022 10:02:36 GMT -5
Anthony Grimani has an excellent series of videos on multi-channel room design, speaker placement, and speaker count per room size - www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLes6453-4e4YutZxrWoU-3Pn55HsdmqLKTrinnov has their ideas too - www.youtube.com/watch?v=de7mtHD_m6IDolby, DTS, and Auro have competing implementations with some overlap. Until these groups get on the same page, good compromise is the key - I'm trying to be kind. Dolby can't even get their production and reproduction requirements similar. More channels is not necessarily better immersion. Fused channels with more speakers than one per channel is not more immersion. Both RMC's can support 9.1.6. At least the connections are on the back panel. The dot one Sub channel can easily be multiplied with a controller for multiple Subs, or by using Sub amps with built-in DSP. I would prefer multiple Sub outs (4), on the RMC, before adding more unsupported height channels. The RMC's can already handle 3 Subs if you are willing to limit your layout to 4 height channels. There is overlapping compatibility between competing immersion systems with 4 correctly placed height channels. IMO, 4 properly placed height channels is good limit in most rooms - keeps the immersion and ineligibility up, and the cacophony down. …..And just going there for a quick look underscored a most key element of my system…. which is to have every one in the room properly blown away by what’s going on without being so focused on the sweet spot. I have much emphasis on off axis listening and how to pull it off so everyone there can be thrilled in the home environment. …And with my prism configuration Mains this is and old story around here. |
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Post by ekpen on Oct 17, 2022 13:19:53 GMT -5
Hello:
Regarding the G4P, it will be good to have a built-in phono, this will free up one xlr card slot.
Another upgrade will the s reen.The RMC 1 is dated with the blue text.
Can we have 7.5,8.5 or larger display with options to configure text in varying colors.
Auro 3D should not be forgotten.
I A M , in for G4P !!.
George.
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Post by leonski on Oct 17, 2022 14:12:09 GMT -5
I don't think this is a good idea. Even if I put aside the fact that one of the reasons I (and others) purchased the RMC-1 was for its expandable output channel capability, losing this expandability would be a mistake imo. For example the audio formats are expanding not contracting , more channels/more speakers/at higher resolution, many people are investing in more subwoofers and want to be able to manage the subs individual outputs for best room effect, etc etc. In any case Emo has the non expandable processor models based on common architecture for the 80% . Now for me (and I accept that I may start to be in the minority with the following) I need something that will handle 9.4.8 today. With respect to the .4 I couldn't wait so have purchased a MiniDSP Flex for the subs and for the .8 I have fused the middle atmos channels on the left and right to give me .6. So I need 2 output cards to cater for my current config. Beyond that at some point Id like to add another 2 surrounds (I have two rows of seats that Id like dedicated surrounds to) and although not mentioned as a 4G capability Id like Emo to expand into Auro 3D at some point and would like to add 2+ speakers of god (also needed for DTS X Pro at some point? lets see what happens). Now I dont know how many people are in the same boat needing more channels etc 5%, 10%, 20% but Im sure they are there and not few and far between (maybe Emo has some statistics?). Now if Emo is more aligned to your thoughts above then I hope they are big enough to let us all know and we can consider going somewhere else. What I’m saying is IF they want to support 11.4.8 or whatever crazy number of channels there is an appetite for (I’m not sure), they should build a processor that natively does this in both hardware and especially software. It’s one thing to say well I want to add a few more speakers irrespective of how insignificant the additions may be to the overall sound. That’s easy right? You just mount a few more speakers and run the wires. The last I checked emotiva doesn’t have a team of engineers that know how to write algorithms to support the additional channels. They use Dolby or DTS’s and plug into it. So if Dolby has support for 11.x.8 and emotiva can plug that in their processing engine then it makes sense. But if the consumer Dolby atmos only supports 9.1.6 (whatever they has access to) and they have to write additional code to go 11.x.8, I’m saying the investment probably won’t be worth it. I work in business software and know how much we pay our developers to build simple stuff. The cost to do this complex stuff, I’d guess is cost prohibitive. I could be totally wrong. All I’m saying is that unless that 11.x.8 becomes main stream, support what the chip makers support. WHEN they support more channels, we’ll then come out with another processor that supports this. Don’t add the silly expansion slots where people pay an extra $1000 for these empty slots then deliver nothing. At least that what I would do if I was in charge of product at Emotiva. Just 1 person’s opinion. who has ROOM for 11.8 or whatever? And the cost for GOOD speakers is not going to go down anytime soon...... My instinct tells me that as the number of channels goes up...past maybe 7, the number of 'takers' goes down.....and as a total percentage of HT owners? Not a large percentage, either..... But you ARE RIGHT. Slots which remain empty and have NOTHING to install? Worthless and to ME offensive. LIke me as a city guy buying a 4WD Truck for towing horse trailers. I have NO use for that at all. I'd like to see the LIST of proposed add-on cards. And I'd like to see the processer issued with 2 or 3 actually available. If not? No Deal. I've seen this movie before. |
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Post by MukAudio on Oct 17, 2022 14:47:04 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. For what it’s worth, Burr Brown was purchased by TI 22 years ago and at some point was completely absorbed into the company. Mark |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 17, 2022 15:49:59 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. For what it’s worth, Burr Brown was purchased by TI 22 years ago and at some point was completely absorbed into the company. Mark Thanks for the info on Burr Brown and TI. When I traded my XMC-1 for my XMC-2 I did so without any concern relative to sound quality. I do not feel as confident with the G4. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 17, 2022 16:39:50 GMT -5
First of all, AKM is currently back in production, although not the specific chip number we're currently building with. Second, when it comes to "premium" DAC chips, which are capable of exemplary performance, the design of the circuitry that goes with the chip matters far more than the chip manufacturer. AKM, ESS, TI/BB, and Cirrus all make premium DAC chips that can sound really good when implemented properly. (And any of them can end up sounding not-so-good if used in a poor or inadequate design.) I would also agree that, at this level, we're talking about extremely subtle differences... So, if it makes you more comfortable, just assume that our next generation of processors will sound at least as good as the current ones, and probably a tiny bit better... I'm also going to point something out here that should be pretty obvious... The audiophile industry tends to follow fads and trends... Early on Analog Devices earned a reputation as a top-flight DAC chip manufacturer. Then, a few years ago, ESS did a lot of advertising for the Sabre DACs, and earned a place as "the premier audiophile DAC chip" (or, at least, that was the claim). (The result of that was some really excellent sounding products using Sabre DACs... and some that weren't good at all.) Then, more recently, AKM DACs became "the darlings of the audiophile community". To be fair, while they all make excellent products, there is more than a little bit of "audiophile snobbery" in the world. TI and Burr Brown have been around for a long time, and have always been considered to be premium products, but they don't seem to advertise much. Likewise, Cirrus Logic makes some excellent DACs and other digital audio products, which rarely get the consideration they deserve. The bottom line is that all of these manufacturers, as well as a few others you've probably never heard of, make really superb quality DACs, which can deliver great performance when used properly. But all of them will deliver very different results depending on the circuitry around them. So it is really not wise to assume that a given chip, from a given manufacturer, will automatically sound good, or to base your expectations solely on who made the DAC chips used in a product. There are simply too many other factors involved to make this more than a dangerous oversimplification. As usual, we base our decisions on which part will do the best job in a specific application, then optimize the design to ensure that we get the best possible performance from that part. Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. |
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Post by richb on Oct 17, 2022 16:49:56 GMT -5
First of all, AKM is currently back in production, although not the specific chip number we're currently building with. Second, when it comes to "premium" DAC chips, which are capable of exemplary performance, the design of the circuitry that goes with the chip matters far more than the chip manufacturer. AKM, ESS, TI/BB, and Cirrus all make premium DAC chips that can sound really good when implemented properly. (And any of them can end up sounding not-so-good if used in a poor or inadequate design.) I would also agree that, at this level, we're talking about extremely subtle differences... So, if it makes you more comfortable, just assume that our next generation of processors will sound at least as good as the current ones, and probably a tiny bit better... I'm also going to point something out here that should be pretty obvious... The audiophile industry tends to follow fads and trends... Early on Analog Devices earned a reputation as a top-flight DAC chip manufacturer. Then, a few years ago, ESS did a lot of advertising for the Sabre DACs, and earned a place as "the premier audiophile DAC chip" (or, at least, that was the claim). (The result of that was some really excellent sounding products using Sabre DACs... and some that weren't good at all.) Then, more recently, AKM DACs became "the darlings of the audiophile community". To be fair, while they all make excellent products, there is more than a little bit of "audiophile snobbery" in the world. TI and Burr Brown have been around for a long time, and have always been considered to be premium products, but they don't seem to advertise much. Likewise, Cirrus Logic makes some excellent DACs and other digital audio products, which rarely get the consideration they deserve. The bottom line is that all of these manufacturers, as well as a few others you've probably never heard of, make really superb quality DACs, which can deliver great performance when used properly. But all of them will deliver very different results depending on the circuitry around them. So it is really not wise to assume that a given chip, from a given manufacturer, will automatically sound good, or to base your expectations solely on who made the DAC chips used in a product. There are simply too many other factors involved to make this more than a dangerous oversimplification. As usual, we base our decisions on which part will do the best job in a specific application, then optimize the design to ensure that we get the best possible performance from that part. Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. I do not disagree at all about DACs. It is true the industry snobbery exists but also sells, so there will have to be a counter narrative. One way to counter is in performance specifications, it might not be fair, but it will be used in marketing, even though no implementations meet these specs. That said, I do have some concern about the reconstruction filters because these seem to have some effect. For me, one of the greatest features of the RMC-1 is the Dolby upmixer for 2.0 material. 2.0 sounds like native 5.1 with excellent performance on the center channel. I thought this was primarily due to the new Dolby upmixer but that appears to not be the case. I have a Denon 3700 (used as a preamp) in a vacation home and the Dolby upmixer is terrible. All sibilants are lost from the center channel and bass is not present. - Rich |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 17, 2022 16:59:34 GMT -5
For better reading I deleted part of the message.
I went through these FAQ and sent a mail to Emotiva Sales - I will see what happens - I'm not in a hurry, as the G4P will arrive after Summer 2023 - so long time to go.. still hope that the FW 3.0 arrives - so the complaints can stop.
I think you — and anyone with questions from outside the US — fall into the FAQ Nick answered, which essentially says you’ll have to contact sales (email address in FAQ). I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t know the answers to all of these questions, on the other hand it’s good you’re asking them now as it will give them plenty of time to work on some of these issues. |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 17, 2022 17:08:41 GMT -5
Auro 3D is (or was) the Big Deal in Germany (or in Europe) and was pushed by a large home cinema implementer (grobi.tv) specially there.
D & M product had large sales because of this feature.
I personally never wanted Auro 3D as this requires another Speaker Layout than Atmos, one of the reasons I went with the RMC-1. And currently I know of 18 Movie Titles that have a native Auro 3D mix. Most users love the Auromatic, because it created more sound in the ceiling because they thought that something is missing in Atmos.
In fact, specially on Concerts, Auro does add too much into the upper channels. Its a niche for me, and most of the cineasts - If the Movie is Atmos I prefer this, same goes for DTS.X
All major processor manufacturer have it integrated to maybe leave the choice to the users - but of course, the customer will pay for it somehow.
And just for the records: In July 2022, the Saffelberg Investment group acquired all assets, teams and rights of AURO-3D and founded a new company, NEWAURO BV, with the intention to further support the growth of the format and technology suite across all markets.
my 2 cents on this topic
I wouldn't worry too much about Auro3D... www.audioholics.com/audio-technologies/auro-3d-bankruptcyAlthough it will be interesting to see what happens there. A very good assumption Doc . Back to when the xmc1 had TI processing and built in dirac . Emo has taken note of Arcam jbl synthesis audio control etc and seen what can be added with their TI dsp's ; a full list including DBLC .. It is notable that all the rest have auro 3d and auromatic but I guess Emo is sticking to its "wheres the discs" policy . Wonder if just the upmixer can be licensed ? Or logic 7 or something from the past |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 17, 2022 17:27:06 GMT -5
Please keep us informed about their answer regarding European customers. I received an answer from Emotiva. Some of my questions have been answered - some cannot due the information is not yet clear.
But: I cannot share the answer, due to this .
PRIVACY NOTICE: This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. [v.E.1]
Maybe you are willing to give an official statement about the procedure for non-US customers like me.
Or I can copy & paste the mail as there are no secrets in it from my POV.
thanks Adrian
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Post by leonski on Oct 17, 2022 17:53:31 GMT -5
Didn't AKM have a fire? If so, it'll take a LONG time to get the fab back up and with good yield.....Sort of depends on how bad...... Ive been thru all sorts of fab malfunctions, including a massive chemical spilll......Film at 11 But AKM might have a 2nd source all staked out to continue. It is possible they use the SAME mask set with some process variation which means a New part number but no real change in capability or specification. This is the responsible thing to do. A 'single point of faillure' means that SOME companies simply will NOT buy your stuff..... Most manufacturers will issue a 'reference board' to show whatever in 'best light'. For me? Give me a TDA1541 www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/TDA1541%20corner/TDA1541.html |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 17, 2022 18:41:42 GMT -5
First of all, AKM is currently back in production, although not the specific chip number we're currently building with. Second, when it comes to "premium" DAC chips, which are capable of exemplary performance, the design of the circuitry that goes with the chip matters far more than the chip manufacturer. AKM, ESS, TI/BB, and Cirrus all make premium DAC chips that can sound really good when implemented properly. (And any of them can end up sounding not-so-good if used in a poor or inadequate design.) I would also agree that, at this level, we're talking about extremely subtle differences... So, if it makes you more comfortable, just assume that our next generation of processors will sound at least as good as the current ones, and probably a tiny bit better... I'm also going to point something out here that should be pretty obvious... The audiophile industry tends to follow fads and trends... Early on Analog Devices earned a reputation as a top-flight DAC chip manufacturer. Then, a few years ago, ESS did a lot of advertising for the Sabre DACs, and earned a place as "the premier audiophile DAC chip" (or, at least, that was the claim). (The result of that was some really excellent sounding products using Sabre DACs... and some that weren't good at all.) Then, more recently, AKM DACs became "the darlings of the audiophile community". To be fair, while they all make excellent products, there is more than a little bit of "audiophile snobbery" in the world. TI and Burr Brown have been around for a long time, and have always been considered to be premium products, but they don't seem to advertise much. Likewise, Cirrus Logic makes some excellent DACs and other digital audio products, which rarely get the consideration they deserve. The bottom line is that all of these manufacturers, as well as a few others you've probably never heard of, make really superb quality DACs, which can deliver great performance when used properly. But all of them will deliver very different results depending on the circuitry around them. So it is really not wise to assume that a given chip, from a given manufacturer, will automatically sound good, or to base your expectations solely on who made the DAC chips used in a product. There are simply too many other factors involved to make this more than a dangerous oversimplification. As usual, we base our decisions on which part will do the best job in a specific application, then optimize the design to ensure that we get the best possible performance from that part. Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. Will the TI DAC to be used in G4 processors be DSD capable? Will the G4 processors have enough computing power to provide at least 24/96 Dirac processing? What about Dirac Bass processing? Assuming sound quality will equal G3 units it would be nice to have the DSD and 24/96 capabilities promised for G3. Could you point to any TI chips used in any well reviewed DAC? |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 17, 2022 22:44:57 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. The fact that emotiva will have a new audio board, if the sound quality is not better I’ll be very surprised. I’m expecting it to go to the top of heap out of Amir’s ratings. |
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Post by jim80z on Oct 17, 2022 23:11:01 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. The fact that emotiva will have a new audio board, if the sound quality is not better I’ll be very surprised. I’m expecting it to go to the top of heap out of Amir’s ratings. Im with you here....same reason on a previous post I suggested they reach out to Amir to do the review before release......that way no noise, catch any issue early and just have good PR for the launch. |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 18, 2022 0:01:33 GMT -5
Emotiva will be using TI DAC chips in the G4 processors. Does anyone know of a high end DAC manufacturer that chose to use TI chips when AKM chips were still available? I think it is fair to say ESS, AKM and Burr Brown were the dominant chips among the companies that made the best DACs. Is it reasonable to expect TI chips to be an “improvement” over AKM or ESS assuming the implementation for all chips are optimal. The G3 processors sound much better than any processor in a competitive price range. It seems unlikely that G4 processors can be better sound wise. The fact that emotiva will have a new audio board, if the sound quality is not better I’ll be very surprised. I’m expecting it to go to the top of heap out of Amir’s ratings. Relative to other processors? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 18, 2022 7:00:59 GMT -5
The fact that emotiva will have a new audio board, if the sound quality is not better I’ll be very surprised. I’m expecting it to go to the top of heap out of Amir’s ratings. Im with you here....same reason on a previous post I suggested they reach out to Amir to do the review before release......that way no noise, catch any issue early and just have good PR for the launch. It may sound like a great idea, but not everyone thinks Amir is the end all, be all of electronics testing. he is not without controversy. Also, as a company, it's got to be a bit humiliating to have to be validated by an outside source that is not an organization such as Consumer Reports or other independent testing group. Even CR has been challenged in the past on testing parameters and methodology. Nothing against Amir, and I think it's great that people have the knowledge and equipment to run their own tests. What I find very interesting, if you go to Amir's site, you will see that 95% of AV processors and receivers are NOT recommended by Amir. Regardless of manufacturer. So there are alot of people out there with processors that are not up to par from Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, etc. These are just my thoughts and opinions...for what they are worth. |
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Post by logitech on Oct 18, 2022 8:17:56 GMT -5
So I emailed Emotiva asking if they will offer the trade in for us here in Europe, and the only answer I got is that they are not doing trade-ins at the moment. Go figure...
Anybody from Emotiva wishing to chime in?
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Post by jim80z on Oct 18, 2022 8:37:18 GMT -5
Im with you here....same reason on a previous post I suggested they reach out to Amir to do the review before release......that way no noise, catch any issue early and just have good PR for the launch. It may sound like a great idea, but not everyone thinks Amir is the end all, be all of electronics testing. he is not without controversy. Also, as a company, it's got to be a bit humiliating to have to be validated by an outside source that is not an organization such as Consumer Reports or other independent testing group. Even CR has been challenged in the past on testing parameters and methodology. Nothing against Amir, and I think it's great that people have the knowledge and equipment to run their own tests. What I find very interesting, if you go to Amir's site, you will see that 95% of AV processors and receivers are NOT recommended by Amir. Regardless of manufacturer. So there are alot of people out there with processors that are not up to par from Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, etc. These are just my thoughts and opinions...for what they are worth. I hear you. I didn't know of Amir until the noise of the "failed test" that seamed to go on forever. In the end he was right in finding n issue, which Emo fixed. Im suggesting Emo learn from the past and use it to their advantage. No different to using other influencers out there to get the buzz out. |
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Now... the G3Ps use the same AD "Griffin Lite" DSP as the 8805 uses. The 8805 never had Dirac and never will. The G3Ps required the advent of the external "black box" in order for Emotiva to deliver upon their promise of Dirac support. I've also read that AD is no longer writing patches for the Griffin Lite (which may also partially explain why we are where we are) and will not support the newer versions of DSU or DTS-X Pro.
