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Post by lrobertson on Oct 13, 2024 21:35:46 GMT -5
jagman. So I have beq but you made me think when you kept referencing ezbeq I should make sure I wasn't missing out. Set it up on my htpc. Great tool! I saw their directions on the raspberry pi that you run. It had me really wondering how easy it might be for Lonnie to implement internally on the new platforms raspberry pi operating system maybe.
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Post by jagman on Oct 13, 2024 22:53:16 GMT -5
jagman. So I have beq but you made me think when you kept referencing ezbeq I should make sure I wasn't missing out. Set it up on my htpc. Great tool! I saw their directions on the raspberry pi that you run. It had me really wondering how easy it might be for Lonnie to implement internally on the new platforms raspberry pi operating system maybe. I doubt they would want to run that internally, though it can be done with the PEQ filters on the Monoprice HTP-1. I think the "problem" for us is we have to decide between using the internal PEQ filters and DIRAC. It's one or the other. The ezBEQ program has been updated several times and I wouldn't be surprised if that trend continues. Better to keep it separate from the G4Ps. I do like your thinking, though 👍. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 13, 2024 22:59:52 GMT -5
jagman. So I have beq but you made me think when you kept referencing ezbeq I should make sure I wasn't missing out. Set it up on my htpc. Great tool! I saw their directions on the raspberry pi that you run. It had me really wondering how easy it might be for Lonnie to implement internally on the new platforms raspberry pi operating system maybe. I doubt they would want to run that internally, though it can be done with the PEQ filters on the Monoprice HTP-1. I think the "problem" for us is we have to decide between using the internal PEQ filters and DIRAC. It's one or the other. The ezBEQ program has been updated several times and I wouldn't be surprised if that trend continues. Better to keep it separate from the G4Ps. I do like your thinking, though 👍. My ezbeq setup is running fine with the 88a dirac engaged.. The only difference would be whether we run beq before or after dirac. On the 88a beq gets applied on the input before it hits dirac then hits my highpass and lowpass filters. Well if it's too complex for Emotiva to set up oh well. You pointed me in the right direction and it's easy enough. Thank you |
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Post by acepaul on Oct 14, 2024 10:57:45 GMT -5
Wow, wow, hold on hold on We’re up to two (potential) people with 8 subs. Who wouda thought? Russ -Longtime reader(2007).rarely post.. This is all entertaining to me. I have to agree that there is probably a very limited audience that are planning or utilizing 8 subs...and those that do probably aren't married...-kidding but not. I wouldn't call myself a emo fanboy and agree that the issues the RMC-1 have had were/are frustrating. But, I still feel like Emotiva is holding up to their affordable "high-end" philosophy. As it sits today, there is nothing else out there that I can find that sounds as good as it does for the price. Would I love a Trinnov-waveform soundform terraform or Storm setup? or perhaps all of my walls composed of nothing but speakers much to my wife's horror?? Of course, I would. I have been patiently waiting for Oulaw's 997 processor with built in Trinnov since 2008...If anyone has a few suggestions of a product that would provide the quality of sound anywhere in the ballpark of Emotiva, please post them here. You might be surprised at the demographics of us 8+ sub people.  Some of us are normal folks (yes, still married after over 30 years). It is rare that I go to a movie theater (maybe once a year if that)as the home experience is better than all but the best IMAX setups. Anyway, yes, Emotiva is definitely punching above it's price class and I hope they continue to do so. I'll probably wait until DLBC shakes out before considering an upgrade for my RMC-1. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 14, 2024 12:00:11 GMT -5
Looks like dolby vision iq might have the capability to natively bring us projector owners into the fold. I wonder if this would just pass through for TV or projector processing or if it would take a different firmware for emotiva.
I bet we see rgb lasers and dolby vision iq on the next generation JVC to compete with these massive tvs. Get rid of the phosphor wheel and bring in a lot more brightness.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 14, 2024 13:22:09 GMT -5
In MY head, I’ve always interpreted/surmised/expected, that ‘Enhanced Atmos’ would be the follow up or ‘Next Generation’ of Atmos code, that would properly present more speaker layouts, more accurately handle Atmos decoding, and give the DSU some new sparkle … but that could have been on my application to be a Dolby copy writer ✍️ Perhaps the ATMOS enhancement uses lifts or silicone. That might appropriately describe the DSU … 😊 |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2024 17:50:15 GMT -5
Looks like dolby vision iq might have the capability to natively bring us projector owners into the fold. I wonder if this would just pass through for TV or projector processing or if it would take a different firmware for emotiva. I bet we see rgb lasers and dolby vision iq on the next generation JVC to compete with these massive tvs. Get rid of the phosphor wheel and bring in a lot more brightness. It’s going to be hard for projectors to compete moving forward unless we are talking about 130” and larger screens. Both the TCL 115” and the Hisense 100” TVs have absolutely incredible specs. They are $19,999 right now though, so not even close to mass market priced. I was hoping to get one of these units for Christmas if they would have been in the 7k range come Black Friday etc, but it looks like that will be a 2025 type of project. But once these sized units are at that $5-7k range it’s going to be very tough for projectors to compete. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 14, 2024 18:05:45 GMT -5
Looks like dolby vision iq might have the capability to natively bring us projector owners into the fold. I wonder if this would just pass through for TV or projector processing or if it would take a different firmware for emotiva. I bet we see rgb lasers and dolby vision iq on the next generation JVC to compete with these massive tvs. Get rid of the phosphor wheel and bring in a lot more brightness. It’s going to be hard for projectors to compete moving forward unless we are talking about 130” and larger screens. Both the TCL 115” and the Hisense 100” TVs have absolutely incredible specs. They are $19,999 right now though, so not even close to mass market priced. I was hoping to get one of these units for Christmas if they would have been in the 7k range come Black Friday etc, but it looks like that will be a 2025 type of project. But once these sized units are at that $5-7k range it’s going to be very tough for projectors to compete. Agreed. I have 154" cinemascope. The only reason to have a projector screen now is multiple row viewing and if you want to fill up almost a whole wall left to right. There's also the audio perk of acoustically transparent screens you'll never get around with a solid screen at least if you sit close enough to it to have the same viewing angles. I also think this is why they have to do RGB lasers. The only reason to go with them now is to get very large screens. They will need that added brightness. This 10% bump every year isn't going to cut it when many people will come to your same conclusion when deciding what kind of viewing room they want to design around. This can only benefit projector buyers I would think at least in the short term. Eventually it will be a question of how many panels should you install to get your preferred size and then bounce the center channel audio off it. The JVC projector line I think only has 1 more major generational leap before it's antiquated and that's the rgb. If they take too long they won't even capitalize on that. I just don't see single panel tvs being the nail in the coffin. A 120" 16:9 is a 113" cinemascope. Not small and better quality in every way except size. Don't listen to her.. size still matters. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 14, 2024 18:27:44 GMT -5
Looks like dolby vision iq might have the capability to natively bring us projector owners into the fold. I wonder if this would just pass through for TV or projector processing or if it would take a different firmware for emotiva. I bet we see rgb lasers and dolby vision iq on the next generation JVC to compete with these massive tvs. Get rid of the phosphor wheel and bring in a lot more brightness. It’s going to be hard for projectors to compete moving forward unless we are talking about 130” and larger screens. Both the TCL 115” and the Hisense 100” TVs have absolutely incredible specs. They are $19,999 right now though, so not even close to mass market priced. I was hoping to get one of these units for Christmas if they would have been in the 7k range come Black Friday etc, but it looks like that will be a 2025 type of project. But once these sized units are at that $5-7k range it’s going to be very tough for projectors to compete. Not sure which Hisense you’re referring to, the 100” U7 was at Costco recently for $2,000, currently $2500, but possibly there’s a higher end model? |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2024 20:08:36 GMT -5
It’s going to be hard for projectors to compete moving forward unless we are talking about 130” and larger screens. Both the TCL 115” and the Hisense 100” TVs have absolutely incredible specs. They are $19,999 right now though, so not even close to mass market priced. I was hoping to get one of these units for Christmas if they would have been in the 7k range come Black Friday etc, but it looks like that will be a 2025 type of project. But once these sized units are at that $5-7k range it’s going to be very tough for projectors to compete. Not sure which Hisense you’re referring to, the 100” U7 was at Costco recently for $2,000, currently $2500, but possibly there’s a higher end model? It was a mistype, meant to post the 110” Hisense |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2024 20:14:08 GMT -5
It’s going to be hard for projectors to compete moving forward unless we are talking about 130” and larger screens. Both the TCL 115” and the Hisense 100” TVs have absolutely incredible specs. They are $19,999 right now though, so not even close to mass market priced. I was hoping to get one of these units for Christmas if they would have been in the 7k range come Black Friday etc, but it looks like that will be a 2025 type of project. But once these sized units are at that $5-7k range it’s going to be very tough for projectors to compete. Agreed. I have 154" cinemascope. The only reason to have a projector screen now is multiple row viewing and if you want to fill up almost a whole wall left to right. There's also the audio perk of acoustically transparent screens you'll never get around with a solid screen at least if you sit close enough to it to have the same viewing angles. I also think this is why they have to do RGB lasers. The only reason to go with them now is to get very large screens. They will need that added brightness. This 10% bump every year isn't going to cut it when many people will come to your same conclusion when deciding what kind of viewing room they want to design around. This can only benefit projector buyers I would think at least in the short term. Eventually it will be a question of how many panels should you install to get your preferred size and then bounce the center channel audio off it. The JVC projector line I think only has 1 more major generational leap before it's antiquated and that's the rgb. If they take too long they won't even capitalize on that. I just don't see single panel tvs being the nail in the coffin. A 120" 16:9 is a 113" cinemascope. Not small and better quality in every way except size. Don't listen to her.. size still matters. I agree, anything over say 120” starts to favor projectors especially because of the ability to have acoustic transparent screens. I currently have a 100” screen in my theater room and probably the biggest I can go would be maybe 120”. My Sony 4k projector is fine, but the lack of brightness in HDR mode can be disappointing at times. |
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Post by jagman on Oct 14, 2024 20:46:27 GMT -5
I doubt they would want to run that internally, though it can be done with the PEQ filters on the Monoprice HTP-1. I think the "problem" for us is we have to decide between using the internal PEQ filters and DIRAC. It's one or the other. The ezBEQ program has been updated several times and I wouldn't be surprised if that trend continues. Better to keep it separate from the G4Ps. I do like your thinking, though 👍. My ezbeq setup is running fine with the 88a dirac engaged.. The only difference would be whether we run beq before or after dirac. On the 88a beq gets applied on the input before it hits dirac then hits my highpass and lowpass filters. Well if it's too complex for Emotiva to set up oh well. You pointed me in the right direction and it's easy enough. Thank you I personally run it after DIRAC with the idea being BEQ is supposed to compensate for how the source is mixed, not EQing it for a room. I have no idea if that's actually right though lol. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 15, 2024 8:27:12 GMT -5
My ezbeq setup is running fine with the 88a dirac engaged.. The only difference would be whether we run beq before or after dirac. On the 88a beq gets applied on the input before it hits dirac then hits my highpass and lowpass filters. Well if it's too complex for Emotiva to set up oh well. You pointed me in the right direction and it's easy enough. Thank you I personally run it after DIRAC with the idea being BEQ is supposed to compensate for how the source is mixed, not EQing it for a room. I have no idea if that's actually right though lol. The way I read into it is it's meant to just bump up the source materials roll off to flat so it would be even better if the bluray came that way for us bass heads with capable equipment. If it was native then we'd only get the sound effects that irl might go down to the single digits instead of lifting up some others that may want to be rolled off early. I think of it more as providing a flat movie lfe sound track without negatively affecting other sub frequenies like using the trim control would do. It shouldn't really affect anything else on the lfe spectrum. I think if you run it after dirac then any roll off dirac might have decided your subs should have for your individual room characteristics or subs capability will be lifted but I could be wrong. Maybe it's really similar either way. I thought minidsp automatically applied it before dirac.. I guess I am running beq after the RMC-1's dirac but then I'm running it before the 88a dirac but this is out of necessity because it can't be applied like the monoprice. If only nvidia shield came out with an ai bass extender. |
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Post by jagman on Oct 16, 2024 14:44:56 GMT -5
I personally run it after DIRAC with the idea being BEQ is supposed to compensate for how the source is mixed, not EQing it for a room. I have no idea if that's actually right though lol. The way I read into it is it's meant to just bump up the source materials roll off to flat so it would be even better if the bluray came that way for us bass heads with capable equipment. If it was native then we'd only get the sound effects that irl might go down to the single digits instead of lifting up some others that may want to be rolled off early. I think of it more as providing a flat movie lfe sound track without negatively affecting other sub frequenies like using the trim control would do. It shouldn't really affect anything else on the lfe spectrum. I think if you run it after dirac then any roll off dirac might have decided your subs should have for your individual room characteristics or subs capability will be lifted but I could be wrong. Maybe it's really similar either way. I thought minidsp automatically applied it before dirac.. I guess I am running beq after the RMC-1's dirac but then I'm running it before the 88a dirac but this is out of necessity because it can't be applied like the monoprice. If only nvidia shield came out with an ai bass extender. Agreed 👍. I time align all the subs with the MiniDSP, adjust the gain on the sub amps so they don't clip and the subs don't bottom out. Then run DIRAC with my intended house curve. That sets a great baseline for how the system will sound as a whole. Beyond that, If I really want to hear and/or feel the really low end stuff, I'll apply the correct BEQ set of filters for a given movie and enjoy 😁. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 16, 2024 15:18:08 GMT -5
I saw some comparisons of an atmos infinity war mix vs imax enhanced on YouTube. Looks interesting. There is a DTS dynamic range option you can check off and he suggested the bass was much more extended and impactful on the imax playback. Who knows if this is an outlier but it sounds like it will give us at least potentially a better native mix. Mixes for higher end rooms it sounds like.
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Post by geebo on Oct 16, 2024 19:56:26 GMT -5
Let's all remain civil and on topic please.
Thank you.
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Post by dragonV on Oct 17, 2024 1:37:56 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been spoken about. Was there a chance to see what boot times were like for the new plus processors, particularly from low power mode? Thanks
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Post by doniv on Oct 17, 2024 11:38:45 GMT -5
Can someone explain these trade in process.
1. Will I have to pay actual difference or they take $5000 and then provide like Emo credit for $3000 (I have RMC -1L). If they give "Emo credit" I do not have anything to buy from Emotiva any more so its a total waste (I bought all the product from them for my HT). If they sell it for actual difference then I may consider buying it else hell no I will buy an Anthem in the future.
2. Also if I bought the RMC1L with discount ($3500) but not at full price will I still get $3000 credit. I would consider this new system as depreciation for tech upgrade and swallow the hard pill to buy XMC1+ or RMC1+.
3. What is the web interface here and will it allow me to do everything that remote offers like doing all the config as well.
4. What is the streaming service that they are talking about.
5. Will they provide Dirac bass management as well.
6. Last I am scared of bugs.
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Post by aswiss on Oct 17, 2024 12:00:11 GMT -5
Can someone explain these trade in process. 1. Will I have to pay actual difference or they take $5000 and then provide like Emo credit for $3000 (I have RMC -1L). If they give "Emo credit" I do not have anything to buy from Emotiva any more so its a total waste (I bought all the product from them for my HT). If they sell it for actual difference then I may consider buying it else hell no I will buy an Anthem in the future. 2. Also if I bought the RMC1L with discount ($3500) but not at full price will I still get $3000 credit. I would consider this new system as depreciation for tech upgrade and swallow the hard pill to buy XMC1+ or RMC1+. 3. What is the web interface here and will it allow me to do everything that remote offers like doing all the config as well. 4. What is the streaming service that they are talking about. 5. Will they provide Dirac bass management as well. 6. Last I am scared of bugs. Once there is an official statement available - all your questions could be answered.
Currently we know what's said on the last podcast. the rest is more or less speculation.
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Post by aswiss on Oct 17, 2024 12:04:18 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been spoken about. Was there a chance to see what boot times were like for the new plus processors, particularly from low power mode? Thanks I haven't seen a model live doing a reboot. Still too early - and hopefully, a reboot is not needed that much - unless you switch it completely off, as it is right now with the current platform.
Mine is in standby and start quickly, very rare to do a reboot.
Whne you buy a PC, will you measure the boot time and put it into account before you buy it?
We have to wait until the devices are really available.
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Some of us are normal folks (yes, still married after over 30 years). It is rare that I go to a movie theater (maybe once a year if that)as the home experience is better than all but the best IMAX setups. Anyway, yes, Emotiva is definitely punching above it's price class and I hope they continue to do so. I'll probably wait until DLBC shakes out before considering an upgrade for my RMC-1. 
