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Post by ttocs on Oct 17, 2024 12:04:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain these trade in process. 1. Will I have to pay actual difference or they take $5000 and then provide like Emo credit for $3000 (I have RMC -1L). If they give "Emo credit" I do not have anything to buy from Emotiva any more so its a total waste (I bought all the product from them for my HT). If they sell it for actual difference then I may consider buying it else hell no I will buy an Anthem in the future. 2. Also if I bought the RMC1L with discount ($3500) but not at full price will I still get $3000 credit. I would consider this new system as depreciation for tech upgrade and swallow the hard pill to buy XMC1+ or RMC1+. 3. What is the web interface here and will it allow me to do everything that remote offers like doing all the config as well. 4. What is the streaming service that they are talking about. 5. Will they provide Dirac bass management as well. 6. Last I am scared of bugs. It's really simple. You get $3500 trade-in value for your RMC-1. You pay the difference. Emotiva will ship you a new processor, and then you can ship your old one back to them. What hasn't been said, that I know of, is if you will need to front the $4999 for them to send you a processor before getting your old one back. I am assuming that you WILL need to pay full price first. Or, maybe they will allow you to send in your old RMC-1 first and pay only the difference, and then wait for the new processor to arrive. If I owned the company, there is no way I would send out a processor without full payment and wait for someone to send back their old one. The Web Interface is a Menu replacement. It will have all adjustments possible and negates the need for the OSD to be on-screen during its use. 4. No details yet about a built-in streamer. 5. You pay for DLBC. 6. Then wait for others to try it first and see if there are any. |
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Post by richb on Oct 17, 2024 12:37:15 GMT -5
The Web Interface is a Menu replacement. It will have all adjustments possible and negates the need for the OSD to be on-screen during its use. I view the OSM (On Screen Menu) and OSD (On Screen Display) as distinct features. Replacing the OSM with a web app is great. Replacing the OSD with a web app is not great at all. Hopefully, we plus series will continue to allow the OSD for input signal, etc. It is also useful, for quick and temporary trim adjustments! - Rich |
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Post by geebo on Oct 17, 2024 12:52:44 GMT -5
The Web Interface is a Menu replacement. It will have all adjustments possible and negates the need for the OSD to be on-screen during its use. I view the OSM (On Screen Menu) and OSD (On Screen Display) as distinct features. Replacing the OSM with a web app is great. Replacing the OSD with a web app is not great at all. Hopefully, we plus series will continue to allow the OSD for input signal, etc. It is also useful, for quick and temporary trim adjustments! - Rich The units we saw used both the OSD and web app. While using the web app there is no OSD but you can use the OSD just as before with the remote or front panel controls. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 17, 2024 13:10:17 GMT -5
The Web Interface is a Menu replacement. It will have all adjustments possible and negates the need for the OSD to be on-screen during its use. I view the OSM (On Screen Menu) and OSD (On Screen Display) as distinct features. Replacing the OSM with a web app is great. Replacing the OSD with a web app is not great at all. Hopefully, we plus series will continue to allow the OSD for input signal, etc. It is also useful, for quick and temporary trim adjustments! - Rich The point I was trying to make is that the Web Interface duplicates the Menu system entirely. It negates the need for the OSD, it doesn't preclude its operation. Should one want the OSD to show up, they may do so. |
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Post by richb on Oct 17, 2024 13:13:23 GMT -5
I view the OSM (On Screen Menu) and OSD (On Screen Display) as distinct features. Replacing the OSM with a web app is great. Replacing the OSD with a web app is not great at all. Hopefully, we plus series will continue to allow the OSD for input signal, etc. It is also useful, for quick and temporary trim adjustments! - Rich The point I was trying to make is that the Web Interface duplicates the Menu system entirely. It negates the need for the OSD, it doesn't preclude its operation. Should one want the OSD to show up, they may do so. Thanks for the clarification. Personally, the OSM system for configuration is not necessary when there is a web app. I use the OSD most days, because I cannot read the front panel (normally off) from my seat. - Rich |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 18, 2024 11:56:19 GMT -5
A quick note that hopefully gets passed to Lonnie to see if it's viable. If there is a way to import ezbeq to just the lfe input before the bass management of the unit then that is only a single input that would need to be implemented for all possible subwoofer options as they branch out from there.
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Post by aswiss on Oct 19, 2024 8:17:53 GMT -5
If I owned the company, there is no way I would send out a processor without full payment and wait for someone to send back their old one. We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
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Post by jagman on Oct 19, 2024 19:24:45 GMT -5
If I owned the company, there is no way I would send out a processor without full payment and wait for someone to send back their old one. We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
But this is true for sending any product back for a refund. We assume the vendor will refund the cost of the product when we send it back. I like the idea of... If you want the + series processor right away, you pay the full price up front, then return your old processor on the same box. Once they get it they refund your CC the amount you're supposed to get for your processor. If you don't mind the downtime, you could proactively send them your processor first, then they ship you the + series processor and only charge you the difference. Logistically, if you want to send your processor first, you will need to have saved your original packaging. They will also have to determine who pays shipping in either direction. |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 19, 2024 20:10:38 GMT -5
We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
But this is true for sending any product back for a refund. We assume the vendor will refund the cost of the product when we send it back. I like the idea of... If you want the + series processor right away, you pay the full price up front, then return your old processor on the same box. Once they get it they refund your CC the amount you're supposed to get for your processor. If you don't mind the downtime, you could proactively send them your processor first, then they ship you the + series processor and only charge you the difference. Logistically, if you want to send your processor first, you will need to have saved your original packaging. They will also have to determine who pays shipping in either direction. Normally, you have to pay the shipping costs for any trade-in - and because the price of the new one is more than $49, shipping is free for the new devices. (see shipping policy: emotiva.com/pages/shipping-policy) As I store every box for every device i still use, I'm ready to go - where are the new ones?  Imagine the mess in my storage in the cellar. 
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Post by Lsc on Oct 19, 2024 20:30:48 GMT -5
If I owned the company, there is no way I would send out a processor without full payment and wait for someone to send back their old one. We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
Makes sense. If the customer doesn’t send the old processor back then Emotiva keeps the full payment. I don’t see any risk here. It’s a good play actually because the onus is on the customer to send the old unit back. I have a sneaky feeling that the RMC1L+ will be back by popular demand. The XMC2+ seems like it’ll be a slow seller at $4000. I need a 3RU unit for my adjust-a-rack so the RMC1+ is not favorable to me. |
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Post by jagman on Oct 19, 2024 21:52:19 GMT -5
But this is true for sending any product back for a refund. We assume the vendor will refund the cost of the product when we send it back. I like the idea of... If you want the + series processor right away, you pay the full price up front, then return your old processor on the same box. Once they get it they refund your CC the amount you're supposed to get for your processor. If you don't mind the downtime, you could proactively send them your processor first, then they ship you the + series processor and only charge you the difference. Logistically, if you want to send your processor first, you will need to have saved your original packaging. They will also have to determine who pays shipping in either direction. Normally, you have to pay the shipping costs for any trade-in - and because the price of the new one is more than $49, shipping is free for the new devices. (see shipping policy: emotiva.com/pages/shipping-policy) As I store every box for every device i still use, I'm ready to go - where are the new ones? Imagine the mess in my storage in the cellar.
I'm just the same as you. My wife hates all these damn empty boxes but I say if you ever have to ship something back the original packaging is priceless. She just shakes her head lol. |
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Post by jagman on Oct 19, 2024 21:53:38 GMT -5
We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
Makes sense. If the customer doesn’t send the old processor back then Emotiva keeps the full payment. I don’t see any risk here. It’s a good play actually because the onus is on the customer to send the old unit back. I have a sneaky feeling that the RMC1L+ will be back by popular demand. The XMC2+ seems like it’ll be a slow seller at $4000. I need a 3RU unit for my adjust-a-rack so the RMC1+ is not favorable to me. The only difference is the front panel and maybe the gold stuff on the back, right? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 19, 2024 23:37:01 GMT -5
… I have a sneaky feeling that the RMC1L+ will be back by popular demand. The XMC2+ seems like it’ll be a slow seller at $4000. I need a 3RU unit for my adjust-a-rack so the RMC1+ is not favorable to me. Well people with RMC-1L’s who want an upgrade seem to have good possibilities, and as trade up 1L to 1+ makes a used base of 1L’s available, maybe they’ll sell them with or without the + upgrade. |
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Post by lavocat on Oct 20, 2024 3:47:02 GMT -5
Regarding trade-in, some comments seems to me “useless complicated”. Why do you want to do 2 bank wires when 1 is enough? Why should the buyer pay a full price (he’s not a banker) then wait for a cash-back amount? However an upgrader want to know before buying decision if the trade-in price for his old stuff will be accepted or not. If not (for example too damaged units), he may buy another brand.
So, as it was done before, the more simple process seems to me: 1) returning your G3 Emo, 2) Emo confirms you have a credit of $2000 or $3500, 3) you order your new G4 unit and pay only the difference. 4) After receiving payment Emo ships your new G4 unit. That’s all folks! 😉
(OMHO)
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 20, 2024 5:26:11 GMT -5
Regarding trade-in, some comments seems to me “useless complicated”. Why do you want to do 2 bank wires when 1 is enough? Why should the buyer pay a full price (he’s not a banker) then wait for a cash-back amount? However an upgrader want to know before buying decision if the trade-in price for his old stuff will be accepted or not. If not (for example too damaged units), he may buy another brand. So, as it was done before, the more simple process seems to me: 1) returning your G3 Emo, 2) Emo confirms you have a credit of $2000 or $3500, 3) you order your new G4 unit and pay only the difference. 4) After receiving payment Emo ships your new G4 unit. That’s all folks! 😉 (OMHO) Emotiva may find that acceptable for those who want to do that, but speaking for myself, I’d rather not be without my processor for that longer period of time. Additionally, most US based customers would use credit cards for the purchase, and have the refund automatically applied to that card. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 20, 2024 5:53:27 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been spoken about. Was there a chance to see what boot times were like for the new plus processors, particularly from low power mode? Thanks I haven't seen a model live doing a reboot. Still too early - and hopefully, a reboot is not needed that much - unless you switch it completely off, as it is right now with the current platform.
Mine is in standby and start quickly, very rare to do a reboot.
Whne you buy a PC, will you measure the boot time and put it into account before you buy it?
We have to wait until the devices are really available. Seems like a reasonable question to me, XMC and RMC boot times have often been discussed or lamented, and Video On Standby used not for video, but faster boot. With the probable doubling of VOS power consumption, Low Power Standby will take on greater importance for some, and boot times will be ‘experienced’ regularly. That said, we will have to wait and see. As for computers, there was a time (typically before SSDs) when many did go to some lengths to try to improve boot times (I remember an early RAM drive in my Apple //e I used to speed up boot), but with most computers and OS’ today that’s not an issue. |
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Post by sebna on Oct 20, 2024 6:58:16 GMT -5
I am estimating another 6 months before we see 1st units out in the wild and 8-9 months for EU crowd to be able to do trade-in? Fair?
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Post by recluce on Oct 20, 2024 8:14:13 GMT -5
If I owned the company, there is no way I would send out a processor without full payment and wait for someone to send back their old one. We have to wait and see, how the Trade-In process is setup.
BTW same goes for not refunding the 3000 or 3500 after sending back the old unit. So its a matter of trust here. And keep in mind, that this trade-in generates a lot of administration.
And then there is option #3: They charge your credit card outright for the upgrade price and put a hold on your card for the difference between trade-in and new unit price. If everything works out, they remove the hold. Otherwise they can convert the hold into a charge partially or fully.
This is much preferable to the "charge & refund" scheme if your card is not in USD and you pay a foreign conversion fee - a hold does not cost you.
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 20, 2024 8:22:36 GMT -5
All this hand wringing about trade-in logistics and money is just fear mongering. No one here can name ONE instance of being scammed by Emotiva. Can you imagine what would happen to Emotiva's ability to use credit card services if they did? Breathe.
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Post by hsamwel on Oct 20, 2024 8:36:24 GMT -5
Agreed. I have 154" cinemascope. The only reason to have a projector screen now is multiple row viewing and if you want to fill up almost a whole wall left to right. There's also the audio perk of acoustically transparent screens you'll never get around with a solid screen at least if you sit close enough to it to have the same viewing angles. I also think this is why they have to do RGB lasers. The only reason to go with them now is to get very large screens. They will need that added brightness. This 10% bump every year isn't going to cut it when many people will come to your same conclusion when deciding what kind of viewing room they want to design around. This can only benefit projector buyers I would think at least in the short term. Eventually it will be a question of how many panels should you install to get your preferred size and then bounce the center channel audio off it. The JVC projector line I think only has 1 more major generational leap before it's antiquated and that's the rgb. If they take too long they won't even capitalize on that. I just don't see single panel tvs being the nail in the coffin. A 120" 16:9 is a 113" cinemascope. Not small and better quality in every way except size. Don't listen to her.. size still matters. I agree, anything over say 120” starts to favor projectors especially because of the ability to have acoustic transparent screens. I currently have a 100” screen in my theater room and probably the biggest I can go would be maybe 120”. My Sony 4k projector is fine, but the lack of brightness in HDR mode can be disappointing at times. The Sony XW7000 (3200 lumens) I have does not lack in brightness I can tell you. The Vertex 2 gives me alot of help with the tone mapping because of the support for Dolby Vision. So both Dolby Vision content on streaming services and on discs looks really really good. Otherwise you can’t complain much.. The blacks are great unless you compare it directly to the best of JVC. The tone mapping internally is ok. But could be improved a lot. An external video processor is still ideal. This both for Sony and JVC (although less for JVC). A friend of mine has a JVC NP8 which calibrated and on a high end high contrast screen. To me it seems too dark on some scenes. Almost like the detail is gone. But on other scenes it crushes the Sonys. So there’s a trade off for everything it seems. The newest JVC 900 and 800 models seems to have raised their brightness level a bit so they are even better at HDR than ever. Although for a huge price! Sony also recently released a new series with raised brightness and better blacks. But projectors still need a dark(er) room with some (atleast) light blocking to work. That’s the biggest trade off. The advantage as previously pointed out is screen size with a possibility to have speakers behind. |
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