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Post by geebo on Jul 21, 2023 17:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by vcautokid on Jul 21, 2023 19:00:05 GMT -5
Once again everyone else’s receiver is over priced, and under performing.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 21, 2023 19:27:09 GMT -5
It’s a great price point. I have a Marantz AVR in my living room which is fine, and I really want the Emotiva. My issue is that the Marantz has Spotify built into it, so I can easily just stream music to it if I want music in the living room where the Emotiva I would need to stream to the Apple TV and mess with all of that. The Spotify connect is a very simple solution.
I’m just throwing it out there as a legitimate reason why I may not purchase it. If it had Spotify connect built it I would have already ordered it.
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Post by MusicHead on Jul 21, 2023 20:05:49 GMT -5
Holy Cow 🤯🤯🤯 this might finally persuade me to retire my Fusion 8100, "The Little AVR That Could".
For as long as we stay in the home we have now, I'll never be able to have more than a 5.1 system. Even if a 9-ch AVR is still overkill, it is less so than the MR1 and I am loving the 5-ch power specs of the MR1-L.
Well done Emotiva, well done.
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Post by steveindanville on Jul 26, 2023 11:29:40 GMT -5
Why does Emotiva still have old 2.0 HDMI and 2.2 HDCP? The whole world has moved on to 2.1 and 2.3. A general question, though, is when you switch to Stereo mode, does the sub engage like on my Integra, or is it strictly two channel, not 2.1?
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Post by geebo on Jul 26, 2023 11:39:55 GMT -5
Why does Emotiva still have old 2.0 HDMI and 2.2 HDCP? The whole world has moved on to 2.1 and 2.3. A general question, though, is when you switch to Stereo mode, does the sub engage like on my Integra, or is it strictly two channel, not 2.1? It depends on whether you have bass management set up or not. If the front speakers are set as small and you have a subwoofer connected then bass management will send bass below the crossover frequency to the subwoofer. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jul 27, 2023 8:45:46 GMT -5
Why does Emotiva still have old 2.0 HDMI and 2.2 HDCP? The whole world has moved on to 2.1 and 2.3. A general question, though, is when you switch to Stereo mode, does the sub engage like on my Integra, or is it strictly two channel, not 2.1? HDMI 2.1 is only useful for high-end gamers. It's a solution in search of a problem. |
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Post by boo on Jul 31, 2023 12:22:29 GMT -5
Why does Emotiva still have old 2.0 HDMI and 2.2 HDCP? The whole world has moved on to 2.1 and 2.3. A general question, though, is when you switch to Stereo mode, does the sub engage like on my Integra, or is it strictly two channel, not 2.1? I just love when others criticize something based on what their needs/wants are, but do not think about others needs/wants. I am a 56 year old Gamer, I need HDMI 2.1 for the better picture/performance , I have a XBOX X and a PS5. The problem is my Sony A90J only has two HDMI 2.1 inputs, but one of them is eArc, the other problem is the other two inputs do not accept DV, so the Roku and 4K BR Player have to go into the Receiver/Processor and then to the TV. I need a Processor with 2.1 right now, but holding off till there are more options, but getting tired of unplugging one to use the other. |
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Post by pilotpete on Jul 31, 2023 15:54:17 GMT -5
Looks very nice. Since I'll probably never go past a 7 ch setup, this is a better option for me than the 11 ch MR1. My one concern is that as far as I know, the analog inputs are run through an AD-DA conversion, even in pure mode. My 9 year old NAD T758 has analog bypass on the analog inputs. Without a pure analog input path an upscale DAC that you're using for Hi Res streaming has been rendered useless, your final sound quality is limited by the internal AD-DA converters the internal DAC in the receiver. I hope I'm wrong, please set me straight.  As far as built in streaming options? Much better off to use an external device and not be locked into one companies choice. Audio streaming is a very dynamic and changing landscape. Pete |
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Post by markc on Jul 31, 2023 18:21:24 GMT -5
Once again everyone else’s receiver is over priced, and under performing. A-hem! You have been an Emotiva user long enough to know that we would have to see whether this thing actually works properly before we write off the competition. Fact: Is it five years since launch and not one of us owns an RMC-1/L/XMC-2 that will perform as intended in a variety of connected set-ups. Almost all of us merely "turn a blind eye" or tolerate or forgive Emotiva for the errors in audio we get. |
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Post by hemster on Jul 31, 2023 18:31:28 GMT -5
Once again everyone else’s receiver is over priced, and under performing. A-hem! You have been an Emotiva user long enough to know that we would have to see whether this thing actually works properly before we write off the competition. Fact: Is it five years since launch and not one of us owns an RMC-1/L/XMC-2 that will perform as intended in a variety of connected set-ups. Almost all of us merely "turn a blind eye" or tolerate or forgive Emotiva for the errors in audio we get. Gross generalization, don't ya think? Most folks for whom it is working fine do not come on the lounge and state that it is. Not saying it is faultless (what product is?) but still... |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 31, 2023 18:34:28 GMT -5
A-hem! You have been an Emotiva user long enough to know that we would have to see whether this thing actually works properly before we write off the competition. Fact: Is it five years since launch and not one of us owns an RMC-1/L/XMC-2 that will perform as intended in a variety of connected set-ups. Almost all of us merely "turn a blind eye" or tolerate or forgive Emotiva for the errors in audio we get. Gross generalization, don't ya think? Most folks for whom it is working fine do not come on the lounge and state that it is. Not saying it is faultless (what product is?) but still... What evidence do you use to validate this statement? Most casual users would not have any idea if their bass management was working as it should, doesn't mean it's right. |
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Post by vcautokid on Jul 31, 2023 22:22:52 GMT -5
Once again everyone else’s receiver is over priced, and under performing. A-hem! You have been an Emotiva user long enough to know that we would have to see whether this thing actually works properly before we write off the competition. Fact: Is it five years since launch and not one of us owns an RMC-1/L/XMC-2 that will perform as intended in a variety of connected set-ups. Almost all of us merely "turn a blind eye" or tolerate or forgive Emotiva for the errors in audio we get. Core values. Massive Linear Power Supply. Great performance. Nobody's receiver is perfect. HDMI and the other things make it challenging. How long the latest HDMI switching get at least stable? Emotiva has its challenges nobody will refute that. Many also have been problem free. My friend just got his RMC-1, and it stomps his Marantz Pre Pro. It comes down to costs, and focus for the intended MR receiver customer. If you care about key functionality things, the MR1 ones may not be your 1st choice. Plenty to chose from if that is not your bag. The MR-1 receivers keep again at least to me what matters better than anybody else. I would have either of them, but it came down to costs. I won't swing $1600.00, $2000.00 here. But I definitely won't spend what is outside even more because of the faster escalating prices from the other ones out there. I frequently buy used because of the savings. I do have 2 BAS-X A2 amplifiers in my system though, and a long history with Emotiva. |
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Post by KeithL on Aug 1, 2023 8:46:24 GMT -5
HDMI is immensely complicated... and it continues to evolve and become rapidly even more complex... Everyone who develops HDMI products does their best to keep up... (And, here at Emotiva, we're also careful to make sure our products also actually sound really good...  . ) It's only natural that we each notice the problems WE have with devices that WE own... And, in turn, we tend to post complaints about the issues WE have online... (And, yes, we do keep track of the problems our customers are experiencing, and do our best to address them as quickly as we can.) But the simple reality is that, with the possible exception of a few very simple hand tools, EVERY product has issues. Just for a humorous example... Many of our customers use some version of AppleTV streaming box... and most folks consider it to "work"... I just Googled "Apple TV issues"..... (I guess nobody's perfect)...   Gross generalization, don't ya think? Most folks for whom it is working fine do not come on the lounge and state that it is. Not saying it is faultless (what product is?) but still... What evidence do you use to validate this statement? Most casual users would not have any idea if their bass management was working as it should, doesn't mean it's right. |
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Post by hemster on Aug 1, 2023 10:39:44 GMT -5
Gross generalization, don't ya think? Most folks for whom it is working fine do not come on the lounge and state that it is. Not saying it is faultless (what product is?) but still... What evidence do you use to validate this statement? Most casual users would not have any idea if their bass management was working as it should, doesn't mean it's right. If a user doesn't know if they have a problem, do they have a problem? How do they know they have a problem? |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 1, 2023 10:42:26 GMT -5
What evidence do you use to validate this statement? Most casual users would not have any idea if their bass management was working as it should, doesn't mean it's right. If a user doesn't know if they have a problem, do they have a problem? How do they know they have a problem? My XMC-2 was working fine but since reading these posts that say it doesn't work, I must conclude I was using it in a way not intended. |
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Post by marcl on Aug 1, 2023 12:07:11 GMT -5
If a user doesn't know if they have a problem, do they have a problem? How do they know they have a problem? My XMC-2 was working fine but since reading these posts that say it doesn't work, I must conclude I was using it in a way not intended. I asked ChatGPT to write a little story to help us understand ... here it is, unedited ... In the heart of the Audio Kingdom, amidst the whispers of audiophiles and sound enthusiasts, a heated debate raged like wildfire. The XMC-2 Audio Processor, a mysterious and enigmatic device, stood at the center of this dispute. It was said that the XMC-2 possessed the power to elevate music and cinema experiences to unprecedented heights, but as with all legends, skepticism and doubt took root in the hearts of many. The land was divided into two factions. On one side stood the believers, who praised the XMC-2 as the ultimate masterpiece of audio engineering. They gathered in secret societies, defending the device with unwavering loyalty, convinced that it had the ability to resurrect long-lost melodies and bring forth emotions long buried in the depths of the soul. Opposing them were the skeptics, known as the Dissonance Society. They scoffed at the extravagant claims of the believers, dismissing the XMC-2 as nothing more than a glorified gadget wrapped in marketing hype. They argued that the XMC-2 was merely a mirage, a beautiful illusion crafted by the manufacturers to deceive the gullible and fleece their wallets. The debate escalated to epic proportions, capturing the attention of kings and commoners alike. At the pinnacle of this discord, the High Council of Audiophilia was convened, an assembly of the most knowledgeable and respected audio experts from every corner of the land. This council was entrusted with the task of unraveling the truth behind the XMC-2 Audio Processor. The council gathered in a grand hall, adorned with the finest acoustic treatments. Amidst an air of anticipation and trepidation, they commenced the Great Audiophile Debate. The believers passionately presented their case, eloquently describing the ethereal sounds that the XMC-2 could conjure. They spoke of heavenly harmonies, mesmerizing melodies, and bass that resonated through the very foundations of existence. Their eyes sparkled with conviction, and their words carried the weight of deep-felt experiences. On the other hand, the skeptics rebuffed each claim with analytical precision. They showcased data and charts, highlighting how the XMC-2's specifications were comparable to its more modestly priced counterparts. They called upon witnesses who had been disillusioned by the device, claiming that the XMC-2 was merely a chimera with an inflated price tag. As the arguments flared, tension gripped the hall like a vice. It seemed the council was destined to be trapped in a stalemate, with neither side willing to yield. But then, a soft-spoken sage, known for his unbiased wisdom, rose from the crowd and approached the council. "I have journeyed through the realms of sound and listened to the echoes of the past," he said. "The truth lies not in grandiose proclamations or scornful rebuttals but in the ears of each listener. Beauty, after all, lies in the ear of the beholder." With his words, a hush fell over the council. The sage's insight struck a chord with the audiophiles, reminding them that the perception of audio quality was subjective. In that moment of clarity, the Great Audiophile Debate shifted from trying to prove the XMC-2's worth to acknowledging that different people might experience sound differently. United by this newfound understanding, the council came to a resolution. They decided that the XMC-2, like all things in the audio world, was a matter of personal preference. Whether it worked or did not work depended on the individual and their unique ears. The decree brought a semblance of peace to the Audio Kingdom. The believers and the skeptics learned to coexist, respecting each other's choices and recognizing that the essence of music and sound could not be confined to a single device. And so, the XMC-2 Audio Processor remained an enigma, revered by some and dismissed by others, as the debate lived on, harmonizing the symphony of the Audio Kingdom. The legend of the XMC-2 endured, not as an object of universal truth, but as a testament to the diversity of human perception. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Aug 1, 2023 12:09:45 GMT -5
What evidence do you use to validate this statement? Most casual users would not have any idea if their bass management was working as it should, doesn't mean it's right. If a user doesn't know if they have a problem, do they have a problem? How do they know they have a problem? Absolutely, they may not know that it is supposed to produce sound but the blue lights sure are pretty. |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 1, 2023 12:15:14 GMT -5
My XMC-2 was working fine but since reading these posts that say it doesn't work, I must conclude I was using it in a way not intended. I asked ChatGPT to write a little story to help us understand ... here it is, unedited ... In the heart of the Audio Kingdom, amidst the whispers of audiophiles and sound enthusiasts, a heated debate raged like wildfire. The XMC-2 Audio Processor, a mysterious and enigmatic device, stood at the center of this dispute. It was said that the XMC-2 possessed the power to elevate music and cinema experiences to unprecedented heights, but as with all legends, skepticism and doubt took root in the hearts of many. The land was divided into two factions. On one side stood the believers, who praised the XMC-2 as the ultimate masterpiece of audio engineering. They gathered in secret societies, defending the device with unwavering loyalty, convinced that it had the ability to resurrect long-lost melodies and bring forth emotions long buried in the depths of the soul. Opposing them were the skeptics, known as the Dissonance Society. They scoffed at the extravagant claims of the believers, dismissing the XMC-2 as nothing more than a glorified gadget wrapped in marketing hype. They argued that the XMC-2 was merely a mirage, a beautiful illusion crafted by the manufacturers to deceive the gullible and fleece their wallets. The debate escalated to epic proportions, capturing the attention of kings and commoners alike. At the pinnacle of this discord, the High Council of Audiophilia was convened, an assembly of the most knowledgeable and respected audio experts from every corner of the land. This council was entrusted with the task of unraveling the truth behind the XMC-2 Audio Processor. The council gathered in a grand hall, adorned with the finest acoustic treatments. Amidst an air of anticipation and trepidation, they commenced the Great Audiophile Debate. The believers passionately presented their case, eloquently describing the ethereal sounds that the XMC-2 could conjure. They spoke of heavenly harmonies, mesmerizing melodies, and bass that resonated through the very foundations of existence. Their eyes sparkled with conviction, and their words carried the weight of deep-felt experiences. On the other hand, the skeptics rebuffed each claim with analytical precision. They showcased data and charts, highlighting how the XMC-2's specifications were comparable to its more modestly priced counterparts. They called upon witnesses who had been disillusioned by the device, claiming that the XMC-2 was merely a chimera with an inflated price tag. As the arguments flared, tension gripped the hall like a vice. It seemed the council was destined to be trapped in a stalemate, with neither side willing to yield. But then, a soft-spoken sage, known for his unbiased wisdom, rose from the crowd and approached the council. "I have journeyed through the realms of sound and listened to the echoes of the past," he said. "The truth lies not in grandiose proclamations or scornful rebuttals but in the ears of each listener. Beauty, after all, lies in the ear of the beholder." With his words, a hush fell over the council. The sage's insight struck a chord with the audiophiles, reminding them that the perception of audio quality was subjective. In that moment of clarity, the Great Audiophile Debate shifted from trying to prove the XMC-2's worth to acknowledging that different people might experience sound differently. United by this newfound understanding, the council came to a resolution. They decided that the XMC-2, like all things in the audio world, was a matter of personal preference. Whether it worked or did not work depended on the individual and their unique ears. The decree brought a semblance of peace to the Audio Kingdom. The believers and the skeptics learned to coexist, respecting each other's choices and recognizing that the essence of music and sound could not be confined to a single device. And so, the XMC-2 Audio Processor remained an enigma, revered by some and dismissed by others, as the debate lived on, harmonizing the symphony of the Audio Kingdom. The legend of the XMC-2 endured, not as an object of universal truth, but as a testament to the diversity of human perception. |
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Post by MusicHead on Aug 3, 2023 19:58:23 GMT -5
Whether it worked or did not work depended on the individual and their unique ears. Ah, I get it, after the Schrödinger's cat theory we have now the Marcl Audio Processor theory. The XMC-2 work and does not work AT THE SAME TIME!! Who knew Quantum Mechanics could apply to audio. A Nobel Prize is in the air... |
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