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Post by doc1963 on Oct 6, 2024 6:31:37 GMT -5
So if I'm reading and understanding the notes correctly, RMC-1L owners (like myself) can trade in our units towards the purchase of an RMC-1+ and our net cost would be $1999 ($4999 - $3000 = $1999). If that's correct, and the pricing holds, I'm quite okay with that... As I recall, the original "upgrade" plans did not include a brand new warranty and I never expected that the (upgrade) prices given two years ago would ever hold up in today's economic world. Both of these things considered, I'm good..  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2024 6:39:10 GMT -5
So if I'm reading and understanding the notes correctly, RMC-1L owners (like myself) can trade in our units towards the purchase of an RMC-1+ and our net cost would be $1999 ($4999 - $3000 = $1999). If that's correct, and the pricing holds, I'm quite okay with that... As I recall, the original "upgrade" plans did not include a brand new warranty and I never expected that the (upgrade) prices given two years ago would ever hold up in today's economic world. Both of these thing considered, I'm good.. You are correct, Dan addressed this in front of everyone right before our Corky’s BBQ lunch. I’m preferring the 5yr warranty as well. |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 6, 2024 6:40:32 GMT -5
klinemj... In your notes, you mentioned the following... "In the demo of the Dream Theater v2, they ran and RMC1+ (yes, it was running live) with the following gear: FR/FL XT3’s, XC3 center, Atmos top speakers of 2 XC1’s in front and a pair each of XA2’s for the center and rear, side speakers were pairs of XT1’s near the front/middle/back of the room, 2 XS15 subs, a DR3 amp for FR/FL/center, and 2 XPA6’s for the rest. Source for video was a Zudu MK Pro playing MKV files, a Hisense 100” TV, and an Xbox series X for a gaming demo." I've searched for that source device and have came up empty. Was that device possibly a " Zidoo 8K Pro"...? If so, and as a Zidoo owner myself, that makes me smile... 
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2024 6:42:47 GMT -5
klinemj... In your notes, you mentioned the following... "In the demo of the Dream Theater v2, they ran and RMC1+ (yes, it was running live) with the following gear: FR/FL XT3’s, XC3 center, Atmos top speakers of 2 XC1’s in front and a pair each of XA2’s for the center and rear, side speakers were pairs of XT1’s near the front/middle/back of the room, 2 XS15 subs, a DR3 amp for FR/FL/center, and 2 XPA6’s for the rest. Source for video was a Zudu MK Pro playing MKV files, a Hisense 100” TV, and an Xbox series X for a gaming demo." I've searched for that source device and have came up empty. Was that device possibly a " Zidoo 8K Pro"...? If so, and as a Zidoo owner myself, that makes me smile... Yes it was a Zidoo, I just didn’t notice the model #. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 6, 2024 6:43:42 GMT -5
klinemj... In your notes, you mentioned the following... "In the demo of the Dream Theater v2, they ran and RMC1+ (yes, it was running live) with the following gear: FR/FL XT3’s, XC3 center, Atmos top speakers of 2 XC1’s in front and a pair each of XA2’s for the center and rear, side speakers were pairs of XT1’s near the front/middle/back of the room, 2 XS15 subs, a DR3 amp for FR/FL/center, and 2 XPA6’s for the rest. Source for video was a Zudu MK Pro playing MKV files, a Hisense 100” TV, and an Xbox series X for a gaming demo." I've searched for that source device and have came up empty. Was that device possibly a " Zidoo 8K Pro"...? If so, and as a Zidoo owner myself, that makes me smile... Yes - that's it...my quick typing post-Emofest trying to get ready for beer-thirty with the gang! I'll update it. Mark |
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 6, 2024 6:44:00 GMT -5
This is a significant question, as it is now described as a ‘trade in’ instead of an ‘upgrade’, and the price for an RMC-1 seems to go up from $699 to $1499. Can anyone at ‘the fest’ clarify this? (I don’t remember the *pricing subject to change always being there, but maybe so). Also was there discussion of the built in streamer with the new + models? At the end of THIS POST there are other random questions that have been asked over the last two years. Good to hear the demos went well and switching performance is improved. So the trade-in values are $2000/$3000/$3500, what you will get is a brand new unit with a 5yr warranty. Would these new prices include Dirac/DLBC or would those be extra costs? |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2024 6:47:04 GMT -5
So the trade-in values are $2000/$3000/$3500, what you will get is a brand new unit with a 5yr warranty. Would these new prices include Dirac/DLBC or would those be extra costs? Dirac Live is included, DLBC, when available, is an extra fee through Dirac. |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 6, 2024 6:51:31 GMT -5
klinemj... In your notes, you mentioned the following... "In the demo of the Dream Theater v2, they ran and RMC1+ (yes, it was running live) with the following gear: FR/FL XT3’s, XC3 center, Atmos top speakers of 2 XC1’s in front and a pair each of XA2’s for the center and rear, side speakers were pairs of XT1’s near the front/middle/back of the room, 2 XS15 subs, a DR3 amp for FR/FL/center, and 2 XPA6’s for the rest. Source for video was a Zudu MK Pro playing MKV files, a Hisense 100” TV, and an Xbox series X for a gaming demo." I've searched for that source device and have came up empty. Was that device possibly a " Zidoo 8K Pro"...? If so, and as a Zidoo owner myself, that makes me smile... Yes it was a Zidoo, I just didn’t notice the model #. Thanks for the info... and for everyone's knowledge (if interested), the specific model number wouldn't matter. All of the Zidoo 8K SKU's have identical video capabilities. As you move up the model chain, the only differences are onboard HDD storage bays, quantity of those bays (which dictates the overall size of the case), and your preference of "internal" audio prowess and output capabilities (all units can bitstream the audio through for external processing). |
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Post by jjkessler on Oct 6, 2024 8:03:37 GMT -5
Trading my RMC-1L in for an RMC-1+ for about $2k with a new warranty is pretty fair trade from my perspective. Seems like enough value in my opinion to be well worth it. In reality it sounds like we’re talking early to mid 2025. This time I don’t plan to be an early adopter
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 6, 2024 8:15:43 GMT -5
I like the 'Trade-in' path with the full new warranty. Total cost for my out of warranty RMC-1L plus a new warrantied RMC-1+ will still be less than a current AV10 - with $room to spare for possible modules. Cudos Emotiva. This is a 'home run' plan. If the function and modules follow, it's a 'home run' with all bases loaded.
My questions and comments so far:
1. Will the military discount apply to the trade-in price?
2. Please mention more about the 'LM837 Op Amp (bi-polar)' analog output stages in the RMC-1+ when you can. Specifically - are the LM837's in the RMC-1+ run in Class A as talked about in a recent podcast?
3. The 2 channel 'Executive' Stack looks very good. It makes me think of a reasonably priced Benchmark Stack + a streamer.
4. The new XPA amp module looks nice. The new emitter resistors look like Mundorfs - nice touch. Not sure what you mean by 'more of them' unless there is also more output transistors - And higher or similar current capability - to go with them. Stability can be increased with a higher resistance value alone, but this affects other aspects of amp design.
Thanks to klinemj for all your work!
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 6, 2024 8:17:54 GMT -5
… Also the question about using a digital out for l/r or sub.. If I were to use an outboard dac instead of the internal dac could the internal l/r be reassigned to say those dts/imax specific speakers or subs or do I lose the utility of those 2 channels?… Others have wanted this from the current units digital outs, will the pluses be any different? The biggest problem is that the digital out is fixed, so how will you sync the volume? Also, it’s not just a copy of the L/R, but potentially mixed down, and resampled, you might say ‘stepped on’. This is my understanding of the current digital outs, I might be wrong, or the pluses could be different? I’ve always hoped (and asked) for a bi-directional USB-C to replace the USB-B input. It would not only serve as a DAC input, but a digital out with likely more flexibility and quality that the current S/PDIF connections. I would be interested in a full featured USB / Digital interface card for the RMC-1+. An issue with any digital out could be licensing & HDCP, what their allowed to let out of the box in digital format, I assumed this was much more complex of a feature to offer which is why I tried to rephrase a bit to make sure we were on the same page. I can see where my question might of been interpreted by Lonnie as can I simply use a digital out for a seperate l/r and subs rather than can I still apply our dirac corrections and utilize them within the total channel layout etc. |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 6, 2024 8:27:07 GMT -5
So the trade-in values are $2000/$3000/$3500, what you will get is a brand new unit with a 5yr warranty. Would these new prices include Dirac/DLBC or would those be extra costs? The upgrade went from $699 to $2000 for the XMC2+? I thought I was going to stick with Emotiva for sure and do this upgrade but honestly this new deal is not a home run deal like the original one. Most likely holding off now until DLBC is implemented as there really is no need to get the + otherwise. They can take their time releasing it lol as DLBC will probably take another year or more. We will see what comes first, the trade-in window ending or DLBC. |
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Post by PAC on Oct 6, 2024 8:45:20 GMT -5
So if I'm reading and understanding the notes correctly, RMC-1L owners (like myself) can trade in our units towards the purchase of an RMC-1+ and our net cost would be $1999 ($4999 - $3000 = $1999). If that's correct, and the pricing holds, I'm quite okay with that... As I recall, the original "upgrade" plans did not include a brand new warranty and I never expected that the (upgrade) prices given two years ago would ever hold up in today's economic world. Both of these things considered, I'm good.. I didn't find mention of the specifics of trading in an RMC-1L for an XMC-2+. I would assume you would get the assigned trade in value no matter what + model you choose. |
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Post by lowellg on Oct 6, 2024 8:59:53 GMT -5
Would these new prices include Dirac/DLBC or would those be extra costs? The upgrade went from $699 to $2000 for the XMC2+? I thought I was going to stick with Emotiva for sure and do this upgrade but honestly this new deal is not a home run deal like the original one. Most likely holding off now until DLBC is implemented as there really is no need to get the + otherwise. They can take their time releasing it lol as DLBC will probably take another year or more. We will see what comes first, the trade-in window ending or DLBC. I was kind of thinking the same thing. That’s why I wish they put some side-by-side specs in a data sheet. If I remember right, the XMC2 only had the front three channels with the high-end DAC. And then the rest were not the same. Where as the RMC 1L had all channels and just didn’t have the big chassis for expansion. so I think the new XMC2 is really the new RMC 1L. all channels are supported by the new DAC. I wish they would give specifics like how many independent channels there are and can you specify what they are. Since they’re 16 channels. Can I do 7.4.4. Or am I still stuck with 7.3.4. my room is small so I don’t think I want 9 nine layer or 6 overhead. Currently running 7.2.4 |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2024 9:23:50 GMT -5
So if I'm reading and understanding the notes correctly, RMC-1L owners (like myself) can trade in our units towards the purchase of an RMC-1+ and our net cost would be $1999 ($4999 - $3000 = $1999). If that's correct, and the pricing holds, I'm quite okay with that... As I recall, the original "upgrade" plans did not include a brand new warranty and I never expected that the (upgrade) prices given two years ago would ever hold up in today's economic world. Both of these things considered, I'm good.. I didn't find mention of the specifics of trading in an RMC-1L for an XMC-2+. I would assume you would get the assigned trade in value no matter what + model you choose. Your assumption is correct, trade-in $2000/$3000/$3500 remain constant no matter which new G4P you choose. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 6, 2024 9:44:03 GMT -5
I'm in an edge case where I have more than 5 subs and not all with the same charateristics. I'd either need to assess which ones to eliminate or I wonder if I could group them together with my ddrc-88bm minidsp. Is it plausible to have decent results if the RMC-1+ dlbc were to see the 5 sub outs and make adjust for the subwoofer collocated groups? I assume the most important thing is to arrange the groups based on room location.
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Post by Lsc on Oct 6, 2024 10:16:55 GMT -5
The upgrade went from $699 to $2000 for the XMC2+? I thought I was going to stick with Emotiva for sure and do this upgrade but honestly this new deal is not a home run deal like the original one. Most likely holding off now until DLBC is implemented as there really is no need to get the + otherwise. They can take their time releasing it lol as DLBC will probably take another year or more. We will see what comes first, the trade-in window ending or DLBC. I was kind of thinking the same thing. That’s why I wish they put some side-by-side specs in a data sheet. If I remember right, the XMC2 only had the front three channels with the high-end DAC. And then the rest were not the same. Where as the RMC 1L had all channels and just didn’t have the big chassis for expansion. so I think the new XMC2 is really the new RMC 1L. all channels are supported by the new DAC. I wish they would give specifics like how many independent channels there are and can you specify what they are. Since they’re 16 channels. Can I do 7.4.4. Or am I still stuck with 7.3.4. my room is small so I don’t think I want 9 nine layer or 6 overhead. Currently running 7.2.4 I believe you are stuck with 3 subs max. Emotiva did not make the front wides flexible as in front wides or extra subs. This would require additional development so probably expect to see this when Dirac ART becomes available which is probably never. You’d have to get the RMC1+ that will eventually have additional sub outs to get your 4 sub outputs but who knows when that’ll happen and how reliable it would be. Hard to speculate, but given the Emotiva’s processor architecture, changes don’t seem very easy. Also they were the same DACs but the XMC2 only had the front 3 channels and the center sub channel set to “mono” mode…aka “bridged” which is supposed to improve the S/N ratio slightly. The other 12 channels had the DACs set to stereo mode so 2 channels shared a DAC. Where as the RMC1L had all 16 channels with DACs in “mono” mode. However, the rest of the circuitry was the same so even by Emotiva’s admission, the RMC1L’s value add minimal and the sound quality was essentially the same. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2024 10:39:01 GMT -5
I was kind of thinking the same thing. That’s why I wish they put some side-by-side specs in a data sheet. If I remember right, the XMC2 only had the front three channels with the high-end DAC. And then the rest were not the same. Where as the RMC 1L had all channels and just didn’t have the big chassis for expansion. so I think the new XMC2 is really the new RMC 1L. all channels are supported by the new DAC. I wish they would give specifics like how many independent channels there are and can you specify what they are. Since they’re 16 channels. Can I do 7.4.4. Or am I still stuck with 7.3.4. my room is small so I don’t think I want 9 nine layer or 6 overhead. Currently running 7.2.4 I believe you are stuck with 3 subs max. Emotiva did not make the front wides flexible as in front wides or extra subs. This would require additional development so probably expect to see this when Dirac ART becomes available which is probably never. You’d have to get the RMC1+ that will eventually have additional sub outs to get your 4 sub outputs but who knows when that’ll happen and how reliable it would be. Hard to speculate, but given the Emotiva’s processor architecture, changes don’t seem very easy. Also they were the same DACs but the XMC2 only had the front 3 channels and the center sub channel set to “mono” mode…aka “bridged” which is supposed to improve the S/N ratio slightly. The other 12 channels had the DACs set to stereo mode so 2 channels shared a DAC. Where as the RMC1L had all 16 channels with DACs in “mono” mode. However, the rest of the circuitry was the same so even by Emotiva’s admission, the RMC1L’s value add minimal and the sound quality was essentially the same. Lonnie did verify that the hardware structure for ART is there to accommodate it. You are correct in saying who knows when ART would be available, but you could argue if any other processor manufacturers will either, and with Storm having their own problems with ART and Denon/Marantz postponing it for now until late 2025, it’s looking like it was way premature for release when Storm got it. |
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 6, 2024 10:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 6, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -5
Would these new prices include Dirac/DLBC or would those be extra costs? The upgrade went from $699 to $2000 for the XMC2+? I thought I was going to stick with Emotiva for sure and do this upgrade but honestly this new deal is not a home run deal like the original one. Most likely holding off now until DLBC is implemented as there really is no need to get the + otherwise. They can take their time releasing it lol as DLBC will probably take another year or more. We will see what comes first, the trade-in window ending or DLBC. Agree on all of this. More than doubling the price seems steep, I'm not interested in the upgrade at all until DLBC becomes available. If DLBC were offered on my current processor I wouldn't need the upgrade at all. |
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