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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 6, 2024 23:31:29 GMT -5
Still higher than I was expecting, and close to triple the current running power, though similar to the AV10 specs. I don't know what the nominal, average power usage is, just what was said about the peak power. And no mention about how transient that peak number is. Prior to this weekend I expected the nominal to be at least 80W all the time, but if the peak is around 100W then I would think the nominal usage to be less than 80W. Yes, details, and less than 80W nominal would be good. It would be nice to know the numbers under specific test conditions, for instance; an XMC-2 measured idle with the current 4K eARC board, then again with the 8K board, and finally an XMC-2+ idle, just to know generally what’s consuming power, and how much. Also what causes it to peak? Something 8K I assume? (though I generally don’t care too much about peaks). Somewhat related, was the HDMI 2.1 upgrade for the current units detailed at all? Cost? Timeframe? Will the unit have to return to Franklin? Blue M&Ms? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 6, 2024 23:45:51 GMT -5
Re: DLBC
Center Sub Output plus one 4 Subwoofer Output expansion module = 5 Subwoofer Outputs.I asked Lonnie very specifically about using two Subwoofer Modules for a total of 9 subwoofers, maybe later but not now. 5 Subwoofers is the current number for the +Series. After Dirac certification, the Subwoofer Modules will be available. (I want 8 Subwoofer Outputs.) So it sounds like you’re saying that for DLBC, only the center sub output will be corrected? You would need a subwoofer module even for two subs? That would be another stinger in the cost for DLBC, as I imagine two subs to be the most common ‘multi sub’ configuration. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 0:03:07 GMT -5
Re: Default Channel Count: 9.1.6 Width channels will remain as they currently are. End of story. Same with the Left/Right Sub/Height Outputs. Re: Expansion Modules The Speaker and Subwoofer Expansion Modules are completed, waiting for Dirac Certification. One module is for Speakers, one module is for Subwoofers and each module has its own DSP Processing so will not burden the main processing board. To the Expansion Modules: I own a Module for 2 Extra XLR Balanced IN - will they still be supported?
I currently don't use them any more, but good to know, if they get useless with the + models.
From a note that was noticed, it sounds like they might be giving those boards away to the 1st 50 callers buying an RMC-1+, so I imagine they do, and can’t imagine them not. … for those unable to read my sarcasm, I don’t have any idea if this is true , and I pulled 50 out of my … hat 🎩 (but I’m very confident the old boards will work). |
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Post by geebo on Oct 7, 2024 2:26:10 GMT -5
But the RMC's have dual screens and a rotary encoder while the XMC has a single screen and front panel buttons. The XMC-2+ is more like the XMC-1 and XMC-2 before it. The RMC-1L+ could of had any face they decided on in the end is my point. If it has closer internals this time around to the RMC-1+ I could see why they could make the trade in process feel better. But I also understand why they want their 24 channel behemoth to have some product differentiation. Just going to have to disagree. The XMC-2+ should remain as an XMC. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 6:32:23 GMT -5
Somewhat related, was the HDMI 2.1 upgrade for the current units detailed at all? Cost? Timeframe? Will the unit have to return to Franklin? Blue M&Ms? I thought I'd mentioned that in the 1st post, but I'll update it. Anyway, here's the process...they will send you a new unit. Once it arrives, you send in your old unit. It's a trade-in, technically...not an upgrade/replacement of parts for your old unit to. They will likely be re-selling the traded in units as they did when people did a similar thing with their XMC-1's. Mark |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 7:36:24 GMT -5
Still higher than I was expecting, and close to triple the current running power, though similar to the AV10 specs. I don't know what the nominal, average power usage is, just what was said about the peak power. And no mention about how transient that peak number is. Prior to this weekend I expected the nominal to be at least 80W all the time, but if the peak is around 100W then I would think the nominal usage to be less than 80W.Perhaps we should discover what the nominal usage IS instead of just thinking about it. Nominal usage will depend on the source. |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 7, 2024 7:57:05 GMT -5
... Anyway, here's the process...they will send you a new unit. Once it arrives, you send in your old unit... Well that's surprisingly different... In the past, you sent them your trade-in first. Once inspected and approved, they (then) sent you your new unit. It was a fairly quick process, but you were without a processor for a short period. I like this... and I hope it holds up...  |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 8:01:30 GMT -5
I don't know what the nominal, average power usage is, just what was said about the peak power. And no mention about how transient that peak number is. Prior to this weekend I expected the nominal to be at least 80W all the time, but if the peak is around 100W then I would think the nominal usage to be less than 80W. Yes, details, and less than 80W nominal would be good. It would be nice to know the numbers under specific test conditions, for instance; an XMC-2 measured idle with the current 4K eARC board, then again with the 8K board, and finally an XMC-2+ idle, just to know generally what’s consuming power, and how much. Also what causes it to peak? Something 8K I assume? (though I generally don’t care too much about peaks). Somewhat related, was the HDMI 2.1 upgrade for the current units detailed at all? Cost? Timeframe? Will the unit have to return to Franklin? Blue M&Ms? My conversation with Lonnie, when some of these things came out, was aimed at the sub modules, so when he quickly mentioned the power stuff it was without any detail except to say it was way under what it was expected to be. Maybe Keith will say something about power draw at some point? One variable is how many expansion modules might have been installed, because after all, they each have their own DSP onboard doing essentially the job a miniDSP would do. The version is HDMI 2.1b. Cost has been talked about. Shipping date is aimed at December/January. We will receive the new unit, then send back our old unit. No mention of Candy, she wasn't there. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:01:33 GMT -5
I don't know what the nominal, average power usage is, just what was said about the peak power. And no mention about how transient that peak number is. Prior to this weekend I expected the nominal to be at least 80W all the time, but if the peak is around 100W then I would think the nominal usage to be less than 80W. Yes, details, and less than 80W nominal would be good. It would be nice to know the numbers under specific test conditions, for instance; an XMC-2 measured idle with the current 4K eARC board, then again with the 8K board, and finally an XMC-2+ idle, just to know generally what’s consuming power, and how much. Also what causes it to peak? Something 8K I assume? (though I generally don’t care too much about peaks). Somewhat related, was the HDMI 2.1 upgrade for the current units detailed at all? Cost? Timeframe? Will the unit have to return to Franklin? Blue M&Ms? Large bandwidth consumes more power. High frame rate consumes more power. High gaming bandwidth consumes the most power. If you have a temperature monitor in your computer utilities package, watch what happens to your video card temperature when you switch from low bandwidth to high bandwidth with a YouTube video. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:06:20 GMT -5
Well that's surprisingly different... In the past, you sent them your trade-in first. Once inspected and approved, they (then) sent you your new unit. It was a fairly quick process, but you were without a processor for a short period. I like this... and I hope it holds up... I like it also...they said they didn't want people to be without their processors, so that's how they plan to do it. Mark |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 8:07:37 GMT -5
Re: DLBC
Center Sub Output plus one 4 Subwoofer Output expansion module = 5 Subwoofer Outputs.I asked Lonnie very specifically about using two Subwoofer Modules for a total of 9 subwoofers, maybe later but not now. 5 Subwoofers is the current number for the +Series. After Dirac certification, the Subwoofer Modules will be available. (I want 8 Subwoofer Outputs.) So it sounds like you’re saying that for DLBC, only the center sub output will be corrected? You would need a subwoofer module even for two subs? That would be another stinger in the cost for DLBC, as I imagine two subs to be the most common ‘multi sub’ configuration. Yeah, this one got beyond me while I was trying to nail down will I be able to connect 8 subs. I'm not clear on how the current 3 sub outputs can be used when using DLBC because they kept talking about the max channel count as including x.5.x, versus other combinations that might include x.3.x. I want to get an answer on this because it's very important. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:10:57 GMT -5
Re: Default Channel Count: 9.1.6 Width channels will remain as they currently are. End of story. Same with the Left/Right Sub/Height Outputs. Re: Expansion Modules The Speaker and Subwoofer Expansion Modules are completed, waiting for Dirac Certification. One module is for Speakers, one module is for Subwoofers and each module has its own DSP Processing so will not burden the main processing board. Re: DLBC Center Sub Output plus one 4 Subwoofer Output expansion module = 5 Subwoofer Outputs. I asked Lonnie very specifically about using two Subwoofer Modules for a total of 9 subwoofers, maybe later but not now. 5 Subwoofers is the current number for the +Series. After Dirac certification, the Subwoofer Modules will be available. (I want 8 Subwoofer Outputs.) Re Power Supply The power needed to run the +Series is lower than anticipated. The 8K board is not as power hungry as originally thought. At the peak moments, the Wattage barely peaks at around 100W, and is nominally much lower, so the 200W Power Supply is way more than enough for the RMC-1+. The Output Channel board with the DACs on it is the one that gets the hottest because of the way the super duper DACs are setup. In Damon's Demo Room the processor was running the original 100W Power Supply. Re: What's Missing? The 8K HDMI board and the Power Distribution board that takes the power from the Power Supply over a single set of wires and multiplexes out to the other boards. Re: New Amp Module It's got 2 pre-drivers and 8 power devices on it (2 x 1 pre-driver + 4 power devices), heatsink is massive, and it's beautiful! It'll provide 1KW @ 2Ω! It is an Emotiva Design and was developed with the aid of Dave Goodman, formerly of Krell. He's the ONE responsible for my Krell DUO 300 XD amp sounding so dang good! He developed the XD circuit for Krell (Walter Schofield may be able to take credit for being in charge of Krell when the XD circuit was developed, but the XD circuit was all because of Dave and his nature for making things better!). Even though I just bought two more amps from Emotiva on Saturday, I'll be buying more when the new amps are available simply because Dave Goodman is involved. This amp module is fully baked, not a prototype. RMC-1+ Back Panel Note the gold devices, or objects, those little round things.  Any mention of the status of DSD over USB and if the Dirac Live sample rate will move to 96/24 or remain at 48/24?I haven't seen any reasonable discussion of why Dirac at 96/24 will be better than Dirac at 48/24. Do we need Dirac room correction that works at frequencies above 24Khz? |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 7, 2024 8:11:02 GMT -5
Well that's surprisingly different... In the past, you sent them your trade-in first. Once inspected and approved, they (then) sent you your new unit. It was a fairly quick process, but you were without a processor for a short period. I like this... and I hope it holds up... I like it also...they said they didn't want people to be without their processors, so that's how they plan to do it. Mark Did they happen to detail how they plan to do this...? I would imagine that we pay full price up front. Then, after they receive your trade-in, a credit would be issued back to your payment method. To financially secure their end of the process, I can't see this happening any other way... |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:15:27 GMT -5
Did they happen to detail how they plan to do this...? I would imagine that we pay full price up front. Then, after they receive your trade-in, a credit would be issued back to your payment method. To financially secure their end of the process, I can't see this happening any other way... They didn't elaborate, but something like you describe would be how I would do it if I were them. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:17:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen any reasonable discussion of why Dirac at 96/24 will be better than Dirac at 48/24. Do we need Dirac room correction that works at frequencies about 24Khz? They didn't elaborate and I didn't ask. From what little I heard, there's more than 1 new thing in the version of Dirac that will come with them, but I didn't get a chance to ask that. I figure it will be known soon enough...might be able to find info on Dirac's site if anyone looks. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:18:57 GMT -5
Yeah, this one got beyond me while I was trying to nail down will I be able to connect 8 subs. I'm not clear on how the current 3 sub outputs can be used when using DLBC because they kept talking about the max channel count as including x.5.x, versus other combinations that might include x.3.x. I want to get an answer on this because it's very important. My guess is that if anyone from Emotiva knows the answer to this - it's Damon. Maybe PM him to ask... Mark |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:19:16 GMT -5
To the Expansion Modules: I own a Module for 2 Extra XLR Balanced IN - will they still be supported?
I currently don't use them any more, but good to know, if they get useless with the + models.
From a note that was noticed, it sounds like they might be giving those boards away to the 1st 50 callers buying an RMC-1+, so I imagine they do, and can’t imagine them not. … for those unable to read my sarcasm, I don’t have any idea if this is true , and I pulled 50 out of my … hat 🎩 The free analog XLR In and phono modules was noted by klinemj in a pic of the RMC-1+ faq sheet. FAQ sheet pic has been removed. It's nice added value for the trade-in if it remains true. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 8:22:24 GMT -5
Let me be another to say THANKS MARK! for being so great at asking questions and writing the responses!!!
After witnessing the process, it's clear that Mark is great at what he does! Herding cats isn't easy, and getting unclear answers cleared up is a tall feat! There was a lot going on ALL DAY LONG, so it's completely understandable that the answers he has relayed has led to more questions and answers to come.
It was also great to meet everyone and hang out for a bit! I had a great time, and wish it could have lasted longer!
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:23:07 GMT -5
I haven't seen any reasonable discussion of why Dirac at 96/24 will be better than Dirac at 48/24. Do we need Dirac room correction that works at frequencies about 24Khz? They didn't elaborate and I didn't ask. From what little I heard, there's more than 1 new thing in the version of Dirac that will come with them, but I didn't get a chance to ask that. I figure it will be known soon enough...might be able to find info on Dirac's site if anyone looks. Mark The 96/24 vs 48/24 Dirac discussion is much-ado-about-nothing. We have been discussing this for years with few landing on reality. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 7, 2024 8:24:05 GMT -5
Well that's surprisingly different... In the past, you sent them your trade-in first. Once inspected and approved, they (then) sent you your new unit. It was a fairly quick process, but you were without a processor for a short period. I like this... and I hope it holds up... I like it also...they said they didn't want people to be without their processors, so that's how they plan to do it. Mark I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but I thought I heard Dan say that shipping of the return and new unit will be covered by Emotiva. |
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