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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:26:11 GMT -5
From a note that was noticed, it sounds like they might be giving those boards away to the 1st 50 callers buying an RMC-1+, so I imagine they do, and can’t imagine them not. … for those unable to read my sarcasm, I don’t have any idea if this is true , and I pulled 50 out of my … hat 🎩 The free analog XLR In and phono modules was noted by klinemj in a pic of the RMC-1+ faq sheet. FAQ sheet pic has been removed. It's nice added value for the trade-in if it remains true. Yes - I removed the sheet from the pix as I didn't have the OK from Big Dan to share it as is. He just let me take a picture for the details on chips/etc. that I shared in the 1st post. When I uploaded my folder of pix to my Google Drive folder, it came along for the ride by accident. But, it did include mention of the free analog XLR and phono module on the RMC1+ (not mentioned on the XMC2+) Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:27:56 GMT -5
Let me be another to say THANKS MARK! for being so great at asking questions and writing the responses!!! After witnessing the process, it's clear that Mark is great at what he does! Herding cats isn't easy, and getting unclear answers cleared up is a tall feat! There was a lot going on ALL DAY LONG, so it's completely understandable that the answers he has relayed has led to more questions and answers to come. It was also great to meet everyone and hang out for a bit! I had a great time, and wish it could have lasted longer! scott Thank you...note taking and follow-up is something I did for 30+ years in my career and even now in my consulting work. At this point, it's a force of habit! And totally agree...the time meeting others and hanging out is priceless! Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:29:06 GMT -5
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but I thought I heard Dan say that shipping of the return and new unit will be covered by Emotiva. I'm pretty sure you are right on that. I've got a message in to Dan/Cathy to confirm a couple details...once they answer, I'll ask that also. Mark |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 8:30:59 GMT -5
I like it also...they said they didn't want people to be without their processors, so that's how they plan to do it. Mark I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but I thought I heard Dan say that shipping of the return and new unit will be covered by Emotiva. This is what I heard also. They send us a Return Label to use for sending back the old unit. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:33:53 GMT -5
The 96/24 vs 48/24 Dirac discussion is much-ado-about-nothing. We have been discussing this for years with few landing on reality. Agree - but what I was referring to is that I think there are more changes than that to the new version of Dirac. I just didn't ask for a detailed listing of them. We'll find out soon enough. The only difference of note to me for Dirac is that the + series units include an R-Pi internally that makes the little add-on black box (ednib as some called it...I think that stood for "Emotiva-Dirac Network Interface Box" or something like that) obsolete, but that's not a difference of Dirac itself. Mark |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:35:02 GMT -5
The free analog XLR In and phono modules was noted by klinemj in a pic of the RMC-1+ faq sheet. FAQ sheet pic has been removed. It's nice added value for the trade-in if it remains true. Yes - I removed the sheet from the pix as I didn't have the OK from Big Dan to share it as is. He just let me take a picture for the details on chips/etc. that I shared in the 1st post. When I uploaded my folder of pix to my Google Drive folder, it came along for the ride by accident. But, it did include mention of the free analog XLR and phono module on the RMC1+ (not mentioned on the XMC2+) Mark I read between the lines and understood why you had to remove it.  Oops!  |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 7, 2024 8:35:03 GMT -5
The RMC-1L+ could of had any face they decided on in the end is my point. If it has closer internals this time around to the RMC-1+ I could see why they could make the trade in process feel better. But I also understand why they want their 24 channel behemoth to have some product differentiation. Just going to have to disagree. The XMC-2+ should remain as an XMC. I'm not actually arguing for one or the other. I'm just observing the new unit has the internals of the RMC-1L+ theoretically and the external appearance of the XMC-2. Or maybe this hasn't been verified yet but I thought the dac hardware is the exact same. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 8:39:38 GMT -5
FYI to all, as things come up that I forgot to include in the notes or identifies a mistake in what I wrote, I'm updating the 1st post. Any updates are in red font for easy of finding them.
I wrote the notes in about 30 minutes after Emofest and before dinner with our group...so, I was rushing to get them done to get to Granite City for a beer! LOL!
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 7, 2024 8:41:09 GMT -5
Let me be another to say THANKS MARK! for being so great at asking questions and writing the responses!!! After witnessing the process, it's clear that Mark is great at what he does! Herding cats isn't easy, and getting unclear answers cleared up is a tall feat! There was a lot going on ALL DAY LONG, so it's completely understandable that the answers he has relayed has led to more questions and answers to come. It was also great to meet everyone and hang out for a bit! I had a great time, and wish it could have lasted longer! scott He wasn’t given the position of “Official EmoFest Scribe” for nothing! |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 8:42:41 GMT -5
The 96/24 vs 48/24 Dirac discussion is much-ado-about-nothing. We have been discussing this for years with few landing on reality. Agree - but what I was referring to is that I think there are more changes than that to the new version of Dirac. I just didn't ask for a detailed listing of them. We'll find out soon enough. The only difference of note to me for Dirac is that the + series units include an R-Pi internally that makes the little add-on black box (ednib as some called it...I think that stood for "Emotiva-Dirac Network Interface Box" or something like that) obsolete, but that's not a difference of Dirac itself. Mark Yep. Dirac setup should be a bit easier for folks. Side note - I encourage people to go back to your evolving informational posts, on the first page of this tread, before asking more questions. This will limit the... cat herding. You are doing a great job Mark. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 8:51:48 GMT -5
Wait! I missed that announcement, that’s a very unexpected change, probably welcome for some. The current chassis includes the XMC-2/RMC-1...and...the pending upgrades are for those. Far less than an all-new processor. That should not be unexpected. It's what they have been saying for a while. Mark Maybe they said it to you, but the official page, and the two year old FAQ said they would not offer a video only upgrade, so it’s unexpected to most. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 9:00:48 GMT -5
The current chassis includes the XMC-2/RMC-1...and...the pending upgrades are for those. Far less than an all-new processor. That should not be unexpected. It's what they have been saying for a while. Mark Maybe they said it to you, but the official page, and the two year old FAQ said they would not offer a video only upgrade, so it’s unexpected to most. I wasn't clear on what I meant by that statement you quoted...what I meant is that the HDMI update is to the XMC2+ and RMC1+. I didn't mean to imply that an XMC2 or RMC1 will be modified short of the + series trade-in. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Mark |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 9:04:49 GMT -5
From a note that was noticed, it sounds like they might be giving those boards away to the 1st 50 callers buying an RMC-1+, so I imagine they do, and can’t imagine them not. … for those unable to read my sarcasm, I don’t have any idea if this is true , and I pulled 50 out of my … hat 🎩 The free analog XLR In and phono modules was noted by klinemj in a pic of the RMC-1+ faq sheet. FAQ sheet pic has been removed. It's nice added value for the trade-in if it remains true. My comment was mostly related to the RMC-1 boards still working in the RMC-1+. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 7, 2024 9:07:36 GMT -5
As a broad generalization the difference is in the HDMI board... with 8k and higher frame rates consuming more power than lower resolutions and lower frame rates. I should also point out that anything under 100 watts is really quite modest. Current gaming computers are being built with 1000+ watt power supplies. And things like water cooling... and even freon cooling... Yes, details, and less than 80W nominal would be good. It would be nice to know the numbers under specific test conditions, for instance; an XMC-2 measured idle with the current 4K eARC board, then again with the 8K board, and finally an XMC-2+ idle, just to know generally what’s consuming power, and how much. Also what causes it to peak? Something 8K I assume? (though I generally don’t care too much about peaks). Somewhat related, was the HDMI 2.1 upgrade for the current units detailed at all? Cost? Timeframe? Will the unit have to return to Franklin? Blue M&Ms? Large bandwidth consumes more power. High frame rate consumes more power. High gaming bandwidth consumes the most power. If you have a temperature monitor in your computer utilities package, watch what happens to your video card temperature when you switch from low bandwidth to high bandwidth with a YouTube video. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 9:22:37 GMT -5
Any mention of the status of DSD over USB and if the Dirac Live sample rate will move to 96/24 or remain at 48/24?I haven't seen any reasonable discussion of why Dirac at 96/24 will be better than Dirac at 48/24. Do we need Dirac room correction that works at frequencies above 24Khz? I generally agree and feel that most Dirac corrected material comes in at 48/24 and therefor 48/24 is the bast rate to process it, without being resampled. That argument holds for people using Dirac mostly for home theatre, or for some music streaming devices (like TV). But many have lamented the 48/24 Dirac limitation, and having their ‘hi-rez’ 96/24 files resampled down. If 96/24 is something Dirac has either imposed, or recommended, then it seems right for Emotiva to follow those guidelines or standards, but otherwise it seems like the tail wagging the dog. Seemingly the best implementation would be variable rate processing (like a DAC), that processes each signal at its native rate. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 7, 2024 9:24:16 GMT -5
As a broad generalization the difference is in the HDMI board... with 8k and higher frame rates consuming more power than lower resolutions and lower frame rates. I should also point out that anything under 100 watts is really quite modest. Current gaming computers are being built with 1000+ watt power supplies. And things like water cooling... and even freon cooling... Large bandwidth consumes more power. High frame rate consumes more power. High gaming bandwidth consumes the most power. If you have a temperature monitor in your computer utilities package, watch what happens to your video card temperature when you switch from low bandwidth to high bandwidth with a YouTube video. Yes. I understand. If you(Emotiva) want to flesh out power requirements for various sources used with the RMC-1+, I think it will be helpful. All this board talk about 'nominal' vs 'peak' is getting people nowhere but hand wringing. All I care about is getting some real information that stops the circle of confusion that proliferates at boards like this. A few statements with more detail beyond 'broad generalization' will be helpful - The good ol boy party atmosphere lasts for only a little while. Another example is the constant circle of confusion concerning Dirac 96/24 vs Dirac 48/24. After years of yak-yak it would be nice to put some of the nonsense to bed. Yes? One of my sons has a PC gaming behemoth - Giant CaseLabs case with water cooling, purty lights, and hardly gets warm to touch. Question - Is the analog output stages in the RMC-1+ running in Class A? Like Emotiva noted in a previous podcast? Please address the DACs and analog output stages in the new + processors when you can. |
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Post by jjkessler on Oct 7, 2024 9:27:03 GMT -5
What was your impression of the Hisense 100” TV in the Emo dream theater? Was thinking that was my next step from my current NX-7 projector (lamp based). Trying to figure out if it supports 3D
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 7, 2024 9:44:05 GMT -5
What was your impression of the Hisense 100” TV in the Emo dream theater? Was thinking that was my next step from my current NX-7 projector (lamp based). Trying to figure out if it supports 3D I really want to get the 110" Hisense to replace my projector, but I am not going to spend $20k on it lol. I'll just wait till it comes down to a reasonable price. |
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Post by jjkessler on Oct 7, 2024 9:54:50 GMT -5
Would love the 110” but, might have to settle for the 100”. Still trying to figure out if it supports 3D though
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Post by aswiss on Oct 7, 2024 10:05:40 GMT -5
I'm sharing my link via Google Drive...you should be able to click on the link and see the folder/pix. If not, I'll revise. If you have pix to add, PM me and we'll figure out how to get them in! This is a link to pix of gear and demo's: Gear/Demo PixThanks Mark, for sharing your pics and all the information from Emofest 2024.
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