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Post by doc1963 on Oct 7, 2024 10:09:41 GMT -5
Would love the 110” but, might have to settle for the 100”. Still trying to figure out if it supports 3D though While I don't know for sure, I seriously doubt it. LG was the one of the last to produce a 3D TV and they ended those in 2016. The 55" C6, which I still own, was one of their last. Once it dies, it's game over... You can't get a replacement panel. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 11:29:42 GMT -5
… There is an HDMI upgrade soon to be available on the current chassis. It comes at a cost far less than an all new processor. If you expected it to be free or lower cost, well...I won't say more. As for the other upgrades...appears they prioritized other things. … And...they didn't discontinue support on 4K and what you have. They offer an upgrade for a reasonable (to me) upgrade. To you? Whatever... Mark … There is an HDMI upgrade soon to be available on the current chassis. It comes at a cost far less than an all new processor. … Wait! I missed that announcement, that’s a very unexpected change, probably welcome for some. I wasn't clear on what I meant by that statement you quoted...what I meant is that the HDMI update is to the XMC2+ and RMC1+. I didn't mean to imply that an XMC2 or RMC1 will be modified short of the + series trade-in. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Mark Ok, I did reread the first page and see no mention of a video only upgrade, and I may have confused others (and myself) by interpreting this statement incorrectly. So to finally clarify — there will NOT be a video only upgrade available for current G3P units? |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 7, 2024 12:01:47 GMT -5
… There is an HDMI upgrade soon to be available on the current chassis. It comes at a cost far less than an all new processor. If you expected it to be free or lower cost, well...I won't say more. As for the other upgrades...appears they prioritized other things. … And...they didn't discontinue support on 4K and what you have. They offer an upgrade for a reasonable (to me) upgrade. To you? Whatever... Mark Wait! I missed that announcement, that’s a very unexpected change, probably welcome for some. I wasn't clear on what I meant by that statement you quoted...what I meant is that the HDMI update is to the XMC2+ and RMC1+. I didn't mean to imply that an XMC2 or RMC1 will be modified short of the + series trade-in. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Mark Ok, I did reread the first page and see no mention of a video only upgrade, and I may have confused others (and myself) by interpreting this statement incorrectly. So to finally clarify — there will NOT be a video only upgrade available for current G3P units?Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 12:08:03 GMT -5
Ok, I did reread the first page and see no mention of a video only upgrade, and I may have confused others (and myself) by interpreting this statement incorrectly. So to finally clarify — there will NOT be a video only upgrade available for current G3P units?Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU.
I’m just trying to state facts and clear up misconceptions, not advocate. That said, ttocs mentioned that one of the demo rooms was running on the old power supply, meaning it could be possible. |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 7, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -5
Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU.
I’m just trying to state facts and clear up misconceptions, not advocate. That said, ttocs mentioned that one of the demo rooms was running on the old power supply, meaning it could be possible. The new power supply is attached to the new front plate right? I wonder if this is why they will go with the XMC-2 exterior to keep the old power supply for the unit that won't have the expansions to power. Maybe the power demands were reassesed and it was decided it made more sense to not modify the old XMC-2 faceplates for the new power supplies. And it didn't pencil out to have the new power supply and faceplates when the power was no longer needed. I tried to look up the power demands of a hdfury 8k vvroom but could only find 3-5 watts mentioned under chatgpt so I assume that must be at idle. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 12:20:13 GMT -5
Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU. That's basically how I see it...the new HDMI board drove a new power supply, so a new box was teh easiest way to do it. Net, we end up with new boxes (and new warranty and a few other little tweaks while they were at it) to get the HDMI upgrade. I'm good with that. tagging AudioHTIT also...so, answer is yes...no HDMI-board only upgrade to XMC2 and RMC1...in any case, it would require a new PS (per my understanding...) Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 12:30:45 GMT -5
The new power supply is attached to the new front plate right? It doesn't look like it in the pix. Go to the 2nd post in this thread and the gear-demos folder link. Look at the picture "RMC-1plus-c". The PS and distibution board are mounted on the bottom of the chassis near the front panel. Of course, they are electrically connected but not "attached". Mark |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 7, 2024 12:33:41 GMT -5
The new power supply is attached to the new front plate right? It doesn't look like it in the pix. Go to the 2nd post in this thread and the gear-demos folder link. Look at the picture "RMC-1plus-c". The PS and distibution board are mounted on the bottom of the chassis near the front panel. Of course, they are electrically connected but not "attached". Mark My mistake. I'm referencing my probably outdated or misremembered memory from the old podcast. I thought it was mounted right behind the oleds. |
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Post by geebo on Oct 7, 2024 12:39:17 GMT -5
Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU. That's basically how I see it...the new HDMI board drove a new power supply, so a new box was teh easiest way to do it. Net, we end up with new boxes (and new warranty and a few other little tweaks while they were at it) to get the HDMI upgrade. I'm good with that. tagging AudioHTIT also...so, answer is yes...no HDMI-board only upgrade to XMC2 and RMC1...in any case, it would require a new PS (per my understanding...) Mark The power supply is bolted to the bottom plate of the chassis on standoffs. There may be a power distribution section on the front panel board but the power supply is not. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 12:58:03 GMT -5
That's basically how I see it...the new HDMI board drove a new power supply, so a new box was teh easiest way to do it. Net, we end up with new boxes (and new warranty and a few other little tweaks while they were at it) to get the HDMI upgrade. I'm good with that. tagging AudioHTIT also...so, answer is yes...no HDMI-board only upgrade to XMC2 and RMC1...in any case, it would require a new PS (per my understanding...) Mark The power supply is bolted to the bottom plate of the chassis on standoffs. There may be a power distribution section on the front panel board but the power supply is not. I found a picture of the RMC-1 with its lid off from 2019..the PS and power distribution board are in the same locations as the + series...both on standoffs mounted to the chassis bottom plate. Mark |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 13:07:00 GMT -5
“Re Power Supply
The power needed to run the +Series is lower than anticipated. The 8K board is not as power hungry as originally thought. At the peak moments, the Wattage barely peaks at around 100W, and is nominally much lower, so the 200W Power Supply is way more than enough for the RMC-1+.
The Output Channel board with the DACs on it is the one that gets the hottest because of the way the super duper DACs are setup.
In Damon's Demo Room the processor was running the original 100W Power Supply.”
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Post by richb on Oct 7, 2024 13:33:33 GMT -5
I think the trade-in process is ideal. The new processor can get setup and running and then ship the trade-in. Perfect. When can I get one  - Rich |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 7, 2024 14:28:23 GMT -5
I'm sharing my link via Google Drive...you should be able to click on the link and see the folder/pix. If not, I'll revise. If you have pix to add, PM me and we'll figure out how to get them in! Edit...giving credit to others also for their pix... simpleman68 geebo stiehl11 so far...expecting more from some others! This is a link to pix of gear and demo's: Gear/Demo PixThis is a link to pix of people at the event: PeopleCan’t thank you all enough for! Wish I could have made it but this is the next best thing. Thank you to everyone that has passed photos and information to us that couldn’t make it ! |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 14:30:32 GMT -5
Was the new Video Board not the reason, a new PSU with 200W would needed to be built in as well to get it working? And therefore the Trade-In to a new device needs to be used to get HDMI 2.1 ? If this board is only HDMI 2.0 - no reason to change it. Either I go full or nothing - depending on the offers and waiting periods here in EU.
I’m just trying to state facts and clear up misconceptions, not advocate. That said, ttocs mentioned that one of the demo rooms was running on the old power supply, meaning it could be possible. Yes it's true that it's " possible" to run the 8K board on the 100W power supply, but for how long? It's simply not recommended to even think about maxing out the power supply like that for anything but testing. Keep this in mind, that was Damon's test lab. |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2024 14:34:48 GMT -5
It doesn't look like it in the pix. Go to the 2nd post in this thread and the gear-demos folder link. Look at the picture "RMC-1plus-c". The PS and distibution board are mounted on the bottom of the chassis near the front panel. Of course, they are electrically connected but not "attached". Mark My mistake. I'm referencing my probably outdated or misremembered memory from the old podcast. I thought it was mounted right behind the oleds. This is correct. The PS is behind the front panel display, but mounted to the bottom of the case with the distribution next to it. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2024 14:43:46 GMT -5
I’m just trying to state facts and clear up misconceptions, not advocate. That said, ttocs mentioned that one of the demo rooms was running on the old power supply, meaning it could be possible. Yes it's true that it's " possible" to run the 8K board on the 100W power supply, but for how long? It's simply not recommended to even think about maxing out the power supply like that for anything but testing. Keep this in mind, that was Damon's test lab. Yes, well put ... which takes us back to the details about what consumes power, if you had a XMC-2 or RMC-1L you wouldn't have to power any slots, and if you only ran 4K/60 you should be keeping the video in a comfortable area, of course with the old chassis there would be no RPi to power, but certainly this is all speculation. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2024 15:29:28 GMT -5
Yes it's true that it's " possible" to run the 8K board on the 100W power supply, but for how long? It's simply not recommended to even think about maxing out the power supply like that for anything but testing. Keep this in mind, that was Damon's test lab. Yes, well put ... which takes us back to the details about what consumes power, if you had a XMC-2 or RMC-1L you wouldn't have to power any slots, and if you only ran 4K/60 you should be keeping the video in a comfortable area, of course with the old chassis there would be no RPi to power, but certainly this is all speculation. BINGO! As an engineer myself, I know we design-in safety factors...whether it's electronics, beam sizes on bridges, or whatever! So..."can a 10,000 pound truck drive across this bridge once in a while?" Sure..."but what happens if 8 go over at the same time with each maxed out in the load they are carrying?" Ummmm..."not good...check the river below for the results..." Damon ran his demo from ~10 AM to ~5 PM, and most of the time, the system was in idle...still screens of the web application or showing how to navigate menus with it or toggling between inputs or showing some DIRAC tips. It wasn't running 8K video 100% of the time...and hardly at all! LOL! Mark |
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Post by jim80z on Oct 7, 2024 16:32:21 GMT -5
Thank you Mark/all for getting all of this info out to us!!!
Some questions (sorry if I missed the info in the 8 pages I read through):
- with respect to the RMC-1+ demo......was there any popping of the speakers as the processor changed audio modes etc? Are they finally gone? :-)
- did anyone ask about how the exchange/upgrade program would work for people outside of the USA eg in my case Australia?
- When will the shop be open for us to buy the new processor (I understand they will ship Q1 2025, but wondering when the purchases can start)?
- Left field/dumb question. From the pictures I can see the Pi4 (a Pi Compute Module 4 - anyone know how much memory?).......it looks like its plugged into a proprietary motherboard (hard to see) using the Pi's 2 x 100pin high density connectors? I wonder if this can be maybe upgraded in the future with a Pi Compute Module 5 (mechanical/pcie/os allowing) if more grunt is needed?
Thanks again.
Jim
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Post by fbczar on Oct 7, 2024 21:24:29 GMT -5
Any mention of the status of DSD over USB and if the Dirac Live sample rate will move to 96/24 or remain at 48/24?I haven't seen any reasonable discussion of why Dirac at 96/24 will be better than Dirac at 48/24. Do we need Dirac room correction that works at frequencies above 24Khz? Dirac Live that samples at 96/24 is available on some processors and Mini DSP units. So, apparently Dirac must believe there is some value in a higher sample rate. Dirac Live on Emotiva processors down-samples music files above 48/24 to 48/24. It seems reasonable that removing the need to download-sample would be advantageous. |
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Post by jagman on Oct 8, 2024 3:44:55 GMT -5
They would of saved themselves a lot of headache by discontinuting the XMC-2 lineage naming and just calling it the new RMC-1L+ instead. It's kind of semantics when they are serving the same roll now no matter the name. And included the 1L screens/volume knob, too. I can't imagine the cost difference was much but people seem to like the look of the 1L more than the XMC-2. |
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