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Post by bigred7078 on Nov 9, 2009 14:05:49 GMT -5
Fact? Ok... Also, how is any one person supposed to figure out that a particular piece of audio gear is going to have inconsistent build quality or bad amps? Yes, Craigsub admitted that he was affiliated with AV123 on a different forum. And I am not saying that he should of somehow predicted the bad amp problem, but it doesn't take and expert to remove the amp plate, look at the components, look at how it is all put together, and make a general quality assessment from that. I built a DIY sub a year ago, and at that time had no experience with sub construction or even woodworking in general. Even today I am far from an expert in these things, even so, when I removed the amp on the MFW-15 it was immediately evident to my untrained eyes that corners were cut in the design and construction of this sub. Craigsubs affiliation is more recent. It began when he started producing products for his company TCA. This was not the case when he did his subwoofer write-up.
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Post by nickwin on Nov 9, 2009 14:29:06 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing this up. I didn't know the details, all I knew was that there was some affiliation, and there was some debate whether his reviews were biased because of it.
If it was more recent, I couldn't of been by much because I remember hearing about the whole affiliation thing around the same time that the ratings were posted.
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Post by TJHUB on Nov 9, 2009 14:47:32 GMT -5
The built quality of my mfw-15 is Steller IMO and as for the bad amp`s as far as I know every one was taken care of and got new amp`s + $100 apology coupons , I do not think a hot running amp are strictly a mfw-15 phenomena I have had stereo amps that I could cook eggs and bacon on that`s lasted for 30 + years I guess its all relative. I have owned many many subs, some of them the budget type, and IMO the MFW-15 has the lowest build quality of any that I have owned. The amp plate is mounted into mdf that is about a 1/4 inch thick with no t-nuts and wood screws. Try taking that amp about a couple more times and your not going to have anything left for the screws to grab onto. Its little details like that that bother me about the MFW-15. Mine also has multiple flaws in the finish. If yours has a perfect finish, that's great, and not surprising at all because AV123's quality control and consistency are far from perfect. About the temp of the amp, I have also had many amps that run hot when they are being driven, but non that run this hot in standby. Unless you unplug your sub from the wall every time you are not using it, its running blisteringly hot all day everyday 24/7. I am no expert, but I am pretty sure it is generally accepted that high heat shortens the life of electronics, at least to some degree. The $100 apology coupon was a joke IMO. You have to spend, what was it, $500 to get the $100 off? Or was it $1000? I don't plan on spending any more money on AV123 products, because I just haven't had a great experience with them on the whole. Don't get me wrong, the MFW-15 is a great performer for the price, and I understand that sacrifices have to be made to sell a sub of the caliber for the price they ask, and that is why I still have mine. But the overall feeling I have with it is that it wont last as long as some of the other subs I have owned. Only time will tell. I would love to see this sub working perfectly 10-15 years from now. I never paid close attention to this sub after problems really started to show up in high numbers on the forums, but I had no idea that people were experiencing issues like you have mentioned. When the sub was early in it's release, all you would see is praise for the sub; including build quality for the money. I don't know how I managed to steer clear of AV123's products over the years as I've stared at their web page 100's of times considering a purchase or two. I'm really glad I never purchased anything from them.
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