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Post by solidstate on Feb 6, 2010 17:23:25 GMT -5
She could have speaker polarity backward ehh!!
This would explain a lot!
PS WOW were helping some one here that actually gave up a UMC-1 seat for Onkyo !!! LOL and we are still helping!!! What a group of fantastic audio nuts! Shame though she didn't wait for the UMC-1
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Post by solidstate on Feb 6, 2010 17:38:59 GMT -5
Please see the follwing Audyssey explanation of level setting by Batpig! I do not agree at all that Audyssey is the problem. You just need to know what everything means. Solidstate is correct (IMHO) regarding the crossover manual settings. Audyssey recommends you set the crossover point a bit higher than the "Full Standard". Also, each Receiver manufacturers forces/interprets Audyssey set points (Crossover, Speaker Size, etc) and this may color your results. Also, doesn't your Receiver have Dynamic EQ? That feature should correct your less than reference level center channel issues as well as keep your surround levels even for lower level watching/listening. Dynamic Volume is a an additional processing that squalches range. EQ corrects for less than full blast listening. See Post: nothing is wrong, the differnce is that your new unit has Dynamic EQ and thus it must calibrate all your speakers to a specified "Reference Level" in order for Dyn EQ to function correctly. your previous receivers, which did not have Dyn EQ, only needed to balance the speaker volumes to each other (relative). with Dyn EQ, the volumes are balanced as before but also set to a specified volume (absolute) so it knows exactly how much compensation is needed. basically, Dyn EQ is calibrating your volume dial so that "0" is equal to "reference", or 75dB on those test tones (which are 30dB below full scale, or 105dB per channel max). Since Dyn EQ works by compensating as you drop the volume below reference levels, this allows it to start with a defined reference level so it knows exactly how far to compensate. this works perfectly for films sources; for non film sources, especially cable tV and music, which are not mixed to the same levels as film, you may need to set the "refernce level offset" to 10dB (Audio Adjust > Audyssey settings) so Dyn EQ doesn't compensate so aggressively (if you are hearing boomy/flabby bass and too-loud surrounds while watching TV, this is the cause). __________________ batpig's "Denon-to-English Dictionary" Setup Guide and FAQ batpigworld.com/batpigworld Harmony codes for Denon AVR's NEW! Become a fan "batpigworld.com" on Facebook! lakercrackhead, Read what he's saying here as it's the best post yet regarding you issue. 100% on the money. I'd simply turn Audyssey on and off to see what dif it makes as this will also turn Dyn EQ on/off if you have it enabled. Also make sure we don't have center polarity bakwards ehh! At least get that off the table to start ppl |
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Post by billmac on Feb 6, 2010 17:48:02 GMT -5
Shame though she didn't wait for the UMC-1 Some have waited long enough and decided having a quality AVR/prepro is better than not having one at all  . I understand why people are waiting and why they are not. To each his/her own  . Bill |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 6, 2010 18:01:18 GMT -5
She could easily Craigslist it in six months anyway...
Just the fact that a user ends up here is testament to their research etc. on gear. Way to go getting that XPA5 ! Hey it's fun playing with this stuff and getting it set right (correction "to your likings")...
And remember it really is just a matter of taste and opinion in the end analysis anyway and there is no right or wrong way it should sound. Better and not so good... yes... right and wrong... no!
You have a rig better than 90% of the HTIAB Bose idiots out there so you've survived 9 10ths of the battle!
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Post by billmac on Feb 6, 2010 18:05:03 GMT -5
She could easily Craigslist it in six months anyway... The 886 or the UMC-1? If you are referring to the 886 maybe she will be happy with the 886 and decide to keep it. I will be keeping mine till the UMC-1 is readily available, is bug free and a few pro reviews have been done. Bill |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 6, 2010 18:07:45 GMT -5
She could easily Craigslist it in six months anyway... The 886 or the UMC-1? If you are referring to the 886 maybe she will be happy with the 886 and decide to keep it. I will be keeping mine till the UMC-1 is readily available, is bug free and a few pro reviews have been done. Bill Obviously her 886 Bill as she gave up on the UMC-1... You just know she'll end up following the same route as you! SMART! For me I don't even own a HT LOL... I'm a two channel man and I hate TV for the most part LOL... My dream rig is a UPA-1 monoblock rig with a USP-1 and Emo USB DAC with that wicked Analog Devices converter with a Rythmik 15" and a pair of DIY Dynamic 2Ts with HDS tweet (not the asian Peerless version but the EU scanspeak made unit)... That's what I'm working towards on the next couple installs/paychecks. Hopefully that's what I'll have come summer for backyard parties! The right software and a touchscreen LCD should be the ideal UI and jukebox for that gear! |
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Post by lakercrackhead on Feb 6, 2010 20:18:38 GMT -5
Please see the follwing Audyssey explanation of level setting by Batpig! I do not agree at all that Audyssey is the problem. You just need to know what everything means. Solidstate is correct (IMHO) regarding the crossover manual settings. Audyssey recommends you set the crossover point a bit higher than the "Full Standard". Also, each Receiver manufacturers forces/interprets Audyssey set points (Crossover, Speaker Size, etc) and this may color your results. Also, doesn't your Receiver have Dynamic EQ? That feature should correct your less than reference level center channel issues as well as keep your surround levels even for lower level watching/listening. Dynamic Volume is a an additional processing that squalches range. EQ corrects for less than full blast listening. See Post: nothing is wrong, the differnce is that your new unit has Dynamic EQ and thus it must calibrate all your speakers to a specified "Reference Level" in order for Dyn EQ to function correctly. your previous receivers, which did not have Dyn EQ, only needed to balance the speaker volumes to each other (relative). with Dyn EQ, the volumes are balanced as before but also set to a specified volume (absolute) so it knows exactly how much compensation is needed. basically, Dyn EQ is calibrating your volume dial so that "0" is equal to "reference", or 75dB on those test tones (which are 30dB below full scale, or 105dB per channel max). Since Dyn EQ works by compensating as you drop the volume below reference levels, this allows it to start with a defined reference level so it knows exactly how far to compensate. this works perfectly for films sources; for non film sources, especially cable tV and music, which are not mixed to the same levels as film, you may need to set the "refernce level offset" to 10dB (Audio Adjust > Audyssey settings) so Dyn EQ doesn't compensate so aggressively (if you are hearing boomy/flabby bass and too-loud surrounds while watching TV, this is the cause). __________________ batpig's "Denon-to-English Dictionary" Setup Guide and FAQ batpigworld.com/batpigworld Harmony codes for Denon AVR's NEW! Become a fan "batpigworld.com" on Facebook! Well thanks for your guys' help, especially the one above. And no, I am not an idiot, the center channel is hooked up fine. I just finished watching District 9 and damn sounded absolutely perfect, dialogue and all, I used the audyssy dynamic eq and sounded perfect. Also, audyssey does set all the speakers to full range, I changed that as suggested. So in conclusion, I kept the box for the onkyo in case I was gonna return it for the UMC, but not gonna do it, this is the best I've ever heard my speakers sound, so I am really really happy, and no bugs. Imma take the advice and try and decrease the reference level offset by 10db while watching Dish, I'd say problem solved for me, as far as the UMC-1 owners? Sounds like their problems are just beginning... |
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Post by billmac on Feb 6, 2010 20:44:39 GMT -5
Well thanks for your guys' help, especially the one above. And no, I am not an idiot, the center channel is hooked up fine. I just finished watching District 9 and damn sounded absolutely perfect, dialogue and all, I used the audyssy dynamic eq and sounded perfect. Also, audyssey does set all the speakers to full range, I changed that as suggested. So in conclusion, I kept the box for the onkyo in case I was gonna return it for the UMC, but not gonna do it, this is the best I've ever heard my speakers sound, so I am really really happy, and no bugs. Imma take the advice and try and decrease the reference level offset by 10db while watching Dish, I'd say problem solved for me, as far as the UMC-1 owners? Sounds like their problems are just beginning... Glad you got your center problem corrected and you are enjoying the 886. I think UMC-1 owners should be in fine shape as the new FW should hopefully correct all the bugs. Think positive . Bill |
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Post by billmac on Feb 6, 2010 20:50:07 GMT -5
Well it works for me, don't know about the SMART part though . I don't watch much on TV other than sports but watching a good movie on Bluray is a great experience . Sounds like a great plan and will make an excellent 2 CH system without a doubt . Bill |
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 6, 2010 21:49:13 GMT -5
People considering giving up the 886 for the UMC-1.......I really wouldn't consider that an upgrade at all, quite the opposite. If you got the 886, and want to swap out for another processor, Id be waiting for the XMC-1.
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 6, 2010 23:12:55 GMT -5
People considering giving up the 886 for the UMC-1.......I really wouldn't consider that an upgrade at all, quite the opposite. If you got the 886, and want to swap out for another processor, Id be waiting for the XMC-1. Makes sense to me too. |
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Post by billmac on Feb 6, 2010 23:40:48 GMT -5
People considering giving up the 886 for the UMC-1.......I really wouldn't consider that an upgrade at all, quite the opposite. If you got the 886, and want to swap out for another processor, Id be waiting for the XMC-1. I agree but I wanted to try the UMC-1 to see anyhow. What features/improvements regarding better SQ is the XMC-1 supposed to have over the UMC-1? Or is the SQ supposed be similar with just better features? I have not read much if any at all about the XMC-1. So I'm not even sure if the final specs/feature set have been released. Bill |
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Post by bootman on Feb 7, 2010 0:06:54 GMT -5
People considering giving up the 886 for the UMC-1.......I really wouldn't consider that an upgrade at all, quite the opposite. If you got the 886, and want to swap out for another processor, Id be waiting for the XMC-1. For video, I agree. For audio, I'll bet some may find it an upgrade. |
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Post by moe on Feb 7, 2010 8:49:48 GMT -5
For movies the 886 is fine,for music it's a congested disaster by my standards,that's my opinion,you can have yours.Believe it,don't,dispute it all you like,the UMC is in another league musically.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 7, 2010 9:08:26 GMT -5
People considering giving up the 886 for the UMC-1.......I really wouldn't consider that an upgrade at all, quite the opposite. If you got the 886, and want to swap out for another processor, Id be waiting for the XMC-1. For video, I agree. For audio, I'll bet some may find it an upgrade. I dunno about that, the 886 isnt what I would call a low buck piece, even in the audio dept. Yep the video processing is excellent with the Reon VX chipset, But the analog section on the Onkyo is very good too. It uses all Burr Brown 24 bit PCM1796 DAC's and its very quiet as it uses dedicated power supplies and boards for each section of the design topology. Its a well done piece. A high end dedicated 2 channel music preamp its not, but neither is the UMC-1. Though I dont have any experience with the UMC-1 yet, I do with the 886 and if set up PROPERLY, it can be very transparent for music and hold its own for being a HT specialized unit. |
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Post by billmac on Feb 7, 2010 11:30:50 GMT -5
For movies the 886 is fine,for music it's a congested disaster by my standards,that's my opinion,you can have yours.Believe it,don't,dispute it all you like,the UMC is in another league musically. I would have to disagree with "congested disaster" part . I did a direct comparison to my 866 using the Pure audio mode against both the USP-1 and the 2100. I was able to switch inputs of the USP-1/2100 from Input 1 to HT Bypass input to do an almost instant change, no going off memory . I was surprised at how well the 886 compared to the USP-1/2100. Both the USP-1 and the 2100 had the edge in overall SQ but I would say the differences were subtle not huge as some might think. I have seen several posts here in the past from members asking if the USP-1 with the UMC-1 would be needed. The comments were mixed but many thought the UMC-1 would not have the analog capabilities of the USP-1. So if the UMC-1 is a step below the USP-1 in overall analog playback then the analog SQ IMO would be closer than some might think . No the 886 will not win any awards for its 2 CH analog playback but it is not as bad as some might think. SQ likes and dislikes is definitely a subjective matter with each person having different expectations. But I feel the best way to form an opinion if you are interested in both the 886 and the UMC-1 is to listen to them in their own systems if possible. Reviews and opinions are great to get ideas of a components capabilities but nothing beats actually hearing them in your own system. Bill |
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Post by teedub21 on Feb 7, 2010 17:09:14 GMT -5
This is why I canceled my order for my Onkyo 5507 and decided to keep waiting for the UMC-1. I don't need all the fancy video adjustments the Onkyo offers and am more concerned with sound quality. I ordered a USP-1 for my two channel rig. The way I look at it, I still saved about $500 over the price of the 5507 and will be getting the usp-1 and a umc-1. For what Emo gear seems to bring used I can always sell the pre and pre/pro if I don't like it and not be out much, or just return them within 30 days.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 7, 2010 17:39:15 GMT -5
not to me...I don't like Audyssey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 19:52:08 GMT -5
When I was in school we had to read Homer's Iliad and Audyssey. I didn't like it either.
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 7, 2010 19:56:41 GMT -5
For movies the 886 is fine,for music it's a congested disaster by my standards,that's my opinion,you can have yours.Believe it,don't,dispute it all you like,the UMC is in another league musically. I simply don't agree with your comment here. We can tell easily here that you are not talking intelligently, but blinded by some type of emotional distress. You don't even elaborate, or tell us from what sources exactly and even from what inputs (mutichannel analog input, stereo analog, digital Coaxial/Optical, HDMI, pure audio mode, stereo mode, bass management engaged or not, Audyssey or Emo-Q engaged or not, sub or not, Blu-ray, DVD, CD, SACD, HD DVD, HDCD, MP3, FLAC, WAV, etc., etc., etc...) It is this comment like yours that sometimes I'd rather simply ignored, but I just can't. Sorry moe, but I had to be honest with you, I simply cannot in true honesty ignore you, but communicate with you, so we can both advance in our audio expansion. And besides, the 886 is a very good unit at the sale price. It is much more advanced on the Video department, and sounds awesome in 2-channel stereo mode with bass management and Audyssey engaged. Plus, it is very decent (for the sale price), even if it's not as good as the UMC-1, in 2-channel Pure audio mode. Again, sorry to be quite forward, but I had to say it, what was on my mind, and what is a true representation of the actual reality. Cheers, Bob |
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