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Post by spnolan14 on Feb 10, 2010 18:36:40 GMT -5
I cant believe what I am reading.....so you are telling me that before the software update there was no way to listen to 2 channel (stereo) audio from the UMC-1? I am all about surround sound but I can't see how any audio product would ever be designed without the ability to listen to regular stereo music. I am on the preorder list for the UMC-1 but currently use an HK receiver that has 2 channel, 2 channel with the sub, 5 channel stereo, and 7 channel stereo. I would consider all of these a necessity for any "high quality pre/pro like the UMC-1 is supposed to be.
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Post by snodog on Feb 10, 2010 18:46:30 GMT -5
I know what you mean gordon some of those on some units are pretty lame. Maybe you are right Mischief, will have to listen to it and see I guess
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Post by DYohn on Feb 10, 2010 19:18:57 GMT -5
I cant believe what I am reading.....so you are telling me that before the software update there was no way to listen to 2 channel (stereo) audio from the UMC-1? I am all about surround sound but I can't see how any audio product would ever be designed without the ability to listen to regular stereo music. I am on the preorder list for the UMC-1 but currently use an HK receiver that has 2 channel, 2 channel with the sub, 5 channel stereo, and 7 channel stereo. I would consider all of these a necessity for any "high quality pre/pro like the UMC-1 is supposed to be. No no, this was nevr the case. 2-channel in = 2-channel out unless you tell it to do something diferent. |
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Post by tjb4141 on Feb 10, 2010 19:25:01 GMT -5
Lonnie had made mention somewhere in one of these threads, that this has 2 channel stereo with subwoofer
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Post by nickwin on Feb 10, 2010 19:35:44 GMT -5
I cant believe what I am reading.....so you are telling me that before the software update there was no way to listen to 2 channel (stereo) audio from the UMC-1? I am all about surround sound but I can't see how any audio product would ever be designed without the ability to listen to regular stereo music. I am on the preorder list for the UMC-1 but currently use an HK receiver that has 2 channel, 2 channel with the sub, 5 channel stereo, and 7 channel stereo. I would consider all of these a necessity for any "high quality pre/pro like the UMC-1 is supposed to be. No no, this was nevr the case. 2-channel in = 2-channel out unless you tell it to do something diferent. I'm lost  If this is true, what was the problem in the first place? Lonnie said in another thread that the UMC-1 originally had all channel stereo, but they got a bunch complaints from people who wanted 2 channel stereo, so the FW update switched it to 2 channel stereo only. If it had the option of both 2 channel and all channel stereo in the first place there would have been no reason to change anything. Can someone enlighten me? |
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Post by tb123 on Feb 10, 2010 19:45:24 GMT -5
I'm lost If this is true, what was the problem in the first place? Lonnie said in another thread that the UMC-1 originally had all channel stereo, but they got a bunch complaints from people who wanted 2 channel stereo, so the FW update switched it to 2 channel stereo only. If it had the option of both 2 channel and all channel stereo in the first place there would have been no reason to change anything. Can someone enlighten me? me too? I dont understand the confusion, surely stereo (ie: TWO) is standard 2 channel listening? If folks want it pumped out all 5 or 7 speakers for some party mode then fine, make it an option, but surely just for listening to CD's etc, 2 channel stereo would ALWAYS be the preferred default option? I dont get it, maybe I'm missing something but seem to recall smeone in the SW update thread mentioning trying to listen to Multi channel SACD via this all channel Stereo mode. That would seem to completely go against ths point of having multi channel music, would it not? |
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Post by pynchon on Feb 10, 2010 19:49:06 GMT -5
I'm from the old school where stereo=two ;D I've never taken a liking to all the different formats available. Cathedral? Don't have much pipe organ music! Most of the multi channel mixes I've heard seemed too processed and fake to be of any benefit to me. Gordon lol, cathedral on the dc-1 is a guilty pleasure - usually I only use it once in awhile when listening to Radiohead's Kid A - it makes that cd even more haunting with a sort of soft reverb to thom yorke's falsetto Most of the time it's 2 channel or music surround |
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Post by edvb on Feb 10, 2010 20:09:35 GMT -5
I hope Lonnie chimes in as my plan is to use my PC to send the flac files to the new XDA-1 DAC that will be released soon.
Hopefully it will sound better than the ERC-1 and once everything is ripped should be easier to maintain.
What do you say Lonnie, can you give us the differance between Direct that I know you said is straight through and what circuits two channel stereo goes through in the updated version. Also what adjustments can and cannot be made and what outputs are being used.
Last is how much differance have you heard between Direct and Two channel stereo.
Thanks
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Post by nickwin on Feb 10, 2010 21:07:00 GMT -5
I cant believe what I am reading.....so you are telling me that before the software update there was no way to listen to 2 channel (stereo) audio from the UMC-1? I am all about surround sound but I can't see how any audio product would ever be designed without the ability to listen to regular stereo music. I am on the preorder list for the UMC-1 but currently use an HK receiver that has 2 channel, 2 channel with the sub, 5 channel stereo, and 7 channel stereo. I would consider all of these a necessity for any "high quality pre/pro like the UMC-1 is supposed to be. No no, this was nevr the case. 2-channel in = 2-channel out unless you tell it to do something diferent. dyohn could you please fill us in on what the issue was? Because I also find it hard to believe that the UMC-1 had no 2 channel mode, but all of the posts I've read seem to point to that. |
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Post by rooster on Feb 10, 2010 21:41:09 GMT -5
no, 2 channel was always available via analog input or hdmi input when the player was set to 2 channel mode.
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Post by DYohn on Feb 10, 2010 21:41:10 GMT -5
No no, this was nevr the case. 2-channel in = 2-channel out unless you tell it to do something diferent. dyohn could you please fill us in on what the issue was? Because I also find it hard to believe that the UMC-1 had no 2 channel mode, but all of the posts I've read seem to point to that. i have no idea what the "issue" was. All I know is that my UMC-1 did stereo with a 2-channel analog input both before and after the software upgrade. |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 10, 2010 23:27:45 GMT -5
would love to know whether the option for all channel stereo is still there. Sorry but no, the stereo setting was all channel stereo and people didn't like it, so it was changed to basic two channel stereo. This is from the first page of the FW update talk thread. Is Lonnie saying that it used to do both multi channel and 2 channel, but they changed it to just do 2 channel? |
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Post by hemster on Feb 10, 2010 23:50:01 GMT -5
^^ Yes, that's my understanding. Used to output all channels (on Stereo setting) and now only does 2 channels. I'm OK with this though. As someone else has already posted.. the extra processing sounds artificial. Kind of reminds me of the old Yamaha receivers... More "sound fields" than you wanted/needed. I too do not have much organ music and don't need cathedral mode... nor di I listen to games to require Stadium mode!
I do like PLIIx for some music though but even then, can live without it and just listen in stereo mode.
I have 2 ears and good old stereo mode provides plenty of spatial separation and resolution for my sources and music...
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Post by nickwin on Feb 11, 2010 0:04:36 GMT -5
^^ Yes, that's my understanding. Used to output all channels (on Stereo setting) and now only does 2 channels. I'm OK with this though. As someone else has already posted.. the extra processing sounds artificial. Kind of reminds me of the old Yamaha receivers... More "sound fields" than you wanted/needed. I too do not have much organ music and don't need cathedral mode... nor di I listen to games to require Stadium mode! I do like PLIIx for some music though but even then, can live without it and just listen in stereo mode. I have 2 ears and good old stereo mode provides plenty of spatial separation and resolution for my sources and music... I totally agree, I use 2 channel over multi channel for stereo recordings any day... But if it had the ability to do both, like most AVRs do, why would they take away that feature? multi may sound better in some situations with some setups |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 11, 2010 1:10:04 GMT -5
Mine never did that - or perhaps it did, but since the input was only 2-channel to begin with there was only program material in the front 2 channels. In any case, my UMC-1 ALWAYS and still does provide proper stereo (with the LFE channel active if i want it to be, or not if I choose "direct.") And the sound quality is outstanding.
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 11, 2010 2:08:35 GMT -5
I may be all wet on this, but I think they were talking about DSP Modes when Lonnie mentioned the complaints about all channel stereo versus two channel stereo. If I followed what they were talking about, it was just picking from things like Ball Room, Jazz, Cathedral, etc. I assume that "Stereo" was one of the choices and originally, if you selected Stereo you got all-channel stereo and people asked to have it changed to 2-channel. That is about the only scenario I can think of that would fit what was being posted? ....but that is just my wildest guess. ;D |
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Post by hemster on Feb 11, 2010 3:03:17 GMT -5
Oh, that makes sense roadrunner. In that case, maybe they should have just left all-channel stereo and added a 2-channel stereo mode. That would make everyone happy. But then, as the saying goes... you can't please everyone and they'll be asking for modes such as "Piano Bar", "Local Dive," or even possibly "Gentlemen's Club"?? ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 11, 2010 3:31:34 GMT -5
I think it's the DAC though, from the local drive, no?
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Post by hemster on Feb 11, 2010 3:34:59 GMT -5
My local dive is a DAC.. Dingy And Crummy...
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 11, 2010 3:39:14 GMT -5
My local dive is a DAC.. Dingy And Crummy... Is that a new audio mode from a type of cabaret in Amsterdam? |
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If this is true, what was the problem in the first place? Lonnie said in another thread that the UMC-1 originally had all channel stereo, but they got a bunch complaints from people who wanted 2 channel stereo, so the FW update switched it to 2 channel stereo only. If it had the option of both 2 channel and all channel stereo in the first place there would have been no reason to change anything. Can someone enlighten me?
