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Post by hemster on Feb 11, 2010 3:47:33 GMT -5
So you've heard it too then? What do you think of it?
Think I heard it at the Bulldog.. or was it the Galaxy? Can't recall. Just remember a lot of patrons playing a game called puff-puff-pass...
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 11, 2010 4:11:07 GMT -5
^ What is he talking about?  |
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Post by hemster on Feb 11, 2010 4:21:53 GMT -5
Hey.. I resemble that remark! The drugs have kicked in and I'm wide awake!  |
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Post by dotvibe on Feb 11, 2010 7:36:39 GMT -5
wow. way to go off topic guys.
Anyway, I have learned a good bit of info from this thread, so thanks for that. It will be interesting to compare imaging and spatial separation from an multi channel stereo to a two channel setup. I also had no idea there was still that much DSP involved in the simple stereo setting. Thanks for the input.
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 10:54:06 GMT -5
Com`on now all channel stereo is not going to take a way or diminish a pre/pro`s SQ or it`s capabilities the pre/pro already has this capability for both 2 and 5,6,7 channel stereo it just needs to be implemented , I use the all channels stereo daily I also use PLIIx when seated and listening more critically ,but when cleaning, messing around the house or a bunch of friends are around in the kitchen , living room etc.. all channels is needed other wise if in PLIIx I have to turn it up more for the people in the kitchen and droned out the people in the living room because it`s now to loud for them not having this capability seriously cripples me and my enjoyment with my system and friends and no I do not want to spend more money to get another amp so I can run more wires and speakers to my kitchen etc or spend more money on wireless ... when a simple thing like all channels works perfectly it just doesn`t make seance to me when it`s such a simple thing to do no other company seams to have a problem with it so why would Emotiva ?
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 11:37:00 GMT -5
i personally don't understand the appeal of all channel stereo. how does that present a soundstage? what is played through the center channel? i guess i can see its use if you just want some background music on. All channel stereo if done right can be like your there experience and what I mean by done right is I take the time(and it does take some work) to adjust/trim the center and surrounds so that they just add presence and more image and depth and in doing that I get a more real/life like sound stage that`s deeper , wider and cleaner with more detail sound then anything DPLIIx can produce it does not destroy the sound stage,image etc... it enhances it to a more believable like there in the room experience especial with vinyl it`s hard to explain , but it rivals multichannel sa-cd and dvd-a in some ways , if I lose this capability in the XMC it will be like a down grade in some respect for me so I`m pleading to Emotiva to please have this capability in the XMC |
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 11:37:01 GMT -5
Flamingeye, have you tried all of the 5,6,7 channel music options on the UMC-1, there are many of them, why does one have to be named all channel stereo? I don't think what you are asking for is wrong, it just isn't always called all channel stereo.
You can also set the output to mono and choose one of the multi-channel options, it should (Logically) do exactly what you want.
Again, I have no problem with it being put back on the unit, I am just wondering what makes this specific option better for your needs.
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 11:43:35 GMT -5
Guess I was a minute behind you  My understanding of all channel stereo (Please correct me if I am wrong) is that it removes the downmixes the stereo into mono and plays it through all of the speakers. I guess I could see how you get an enveloping sound that way but I don't see (for me) that being pleasing for dedicated listening. Note: My definition of dedicated listening is sitting in the sweet spot and focusing on the music. With a well calibrated system the stereo should present the instruments and vocalist in specific positions. The sound image should create a very clear stage while all channel will remove that. Again, if that is your preference, I respect that, I just can't picture it. |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 11:46:58 GMT -5
No I do not have the UMC so I did not know there are other 5,6,7 channel settings I`m more like hoping it will be in the XMC and if your talking about hall, concert and the like I never liked thoughs and if not I`m not aware of them , but the reason I like all channel stereo is because I have complete control of each speaker and the signal is a pure 2 channel signal , but if there is something like that but it`s called something different then my comments are mote
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 11:47:27 GMT -5
"All channel stereo if done right can be like your there experience"
If your front channels are imaging properly that is exactly the experience you should be getting with stereo. Not every system can recreate that and based on your equipment, you should be able to create an amazing sound stage in stereo.
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 11:50:49 GMT -5
UMC does have all the crappy hall, bathroom, oil drum settings , it also has others that I think will fit your needs, I am sure the XMC will have them. I would be very interested in your thoughts about stereo if you tried a USP-1, which is a pretty direct analog route from source to speakers. |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 11:54:16 GMT -5
Guess I was a minute behind you My understanding of all channel stereo (Please correct me if I am wrong) is that it removes the downmixes the stereo into mono and plays it through all of the speakers. I guess I could see how you get an enveloping sound that way but I don't see (for me) that being pleasing for dedicated listening. Note: My definition of dedicated listening is sitting in the sweet spot and focusing on the music. With a well calibrated system the stereo should present the instruments and vocalist in specific positions. The sound image should create a very clear stage while all channel will remove that. Again, if that is your preference, I respect that, I just can't picture it. Again if done right it will not diminish the sound stage it enhances it and make the instruments more prevalent in there respective placement - it makes it more like your really there- live like note: no it does not make it mono it`s still stereo |
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 12:00:56 GMT -5
Does it matrix the sound like DPL? or simply move the front L/R into the surround L/R?
I think it may be different for each manufacturer, on my HK, it appears to downmix to mono but my kenwood has a different sound in this mode, much more of a DSP image, like concert.
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 12:22:55 GMT -5
"All channel stereo if done right can be like your there experience" If your front channels are imaging properly that is exactly the experience you should be getting with stereo. Not every system can recreate that and based on your equipment, you should be able to create an amazing sound stage in stereo. Yes I do/it does and it`s amazing sounding,but you should here it when I hit 7 channel stereo it would blow you away it just increases the fidelity like I said it`s hard to explain and toke me years and many systems to perfect it and if multichannel blu-ray audio ever takes of and the musicians and engineers learn how to implement it right or we start hearing some good experimental music with it then I will no longer need all channel stereo ,But then again I still have all my vinyl and 2 channel CD |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 12:27:40 GMT -5
UMC does have all the crappy hall, bathroom, oil drum settings , it also has others that I think will fit your needs, I am sure the XMC will have them. I would be very interested in your thoughts about stereo if you tried a USP-1, which is a pretty direct analog route from source to speakers. I use to have a dedicated high end 2 channel stereo several in fact one was a pioneer preamp with phase linear amp and JBL monitors and then a yamaha preamp with carver amps and then a harmond/kardon preamp with 4 harmand/kardon 200 watt mono blocks later I added 2 peavy 31 band Eq s and 2 more JBL monitors the fist two setups with a marranz TT and then my Technics SL-10 TT , they where all sweet sounding systems , but after a lot of trial and error I found my golden grylle 4 channel stereo sound and I`ve been perfecting it ever sins and with the advent of surround sound it just keeps getting better and better - heires to the hope to blu-ray audio |
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 12:29:52 GMT -5
I do love a good multi-channel mix, one of the best I have heard so far is the Dark Side of the Moon SACD, really impressive. Most surround mixes are terrible though.
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 12:34:10 GMT -5
Does it matrix the sound like DPL? or simply move the front L/R into the surround L/R? I think it may be different for each manufacturer, on my HK, it appears to downmix to mono but my kenwood has a different sound in this mode, much more of a DSP image, like concert. On my system and the once before it just moved the stereo front L&R to the surround too in pure stereo no DLP or matrix |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 12:39:18 GMT -5
I`m not asking Emotiva to take away 2 channel just make all channel stereo available for us that use it/need it
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Post by Mischief on Feb 11, 2010 12:47:06 GMT -5
I have no problem with that. You have me interested in your set up though. Does the center come into play here or are you just doing 4 channel, which makes a lot more sense to me.
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 12:51:25 GMT -5
Oh, that makes sense roadrunner. In that case, maybe they should have just left all-channel stereo and added a 2-channel stereo mode. That would make everyone happy. But then, as the saying goes... you can't please everyone and they'll be asking for modes such as "Piano Bar", "Local Dive," or even possibly "Gentlemen's Club"?? ;D As long as they don`t put in a sweet shop mode instead of all channel stereo I`m fine |
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