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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 10, 2010 14:19:16 GMT -5
I have a UMC on order, but have recently been thinking about the lack of HDMI 1.4 and specifically the 3D capability. Although I think that the 3D will take at least a couple of years to catch on, I usually don't plan on upgrading my AVR\prepro every "couple" of years.
And yes, I have heard that 1.3 is 3D compatible, but basically only at 1080i. Not that the difference is huge, but why limit yourself? I dunno, I just want to know what everyone thinks about it. It just seems like waiting a year or so before upgrading my Onkyo 805. By that time there will be more 1.4 processors on the market (Onkyo said every one of its 2010 offering will be 1.4 compliant). Who knows, perhaps Emo will have a 1.4 prepro! ;D Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 14:25:15 GMT -5
maybe the xmc-1 will have it. I mean it couldn't hurt. I'm waiting for the xmc-1 and would like to see this option.
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Post by ratmice on Feb 10, 2010 14:33:48 GMT -5
That's what the 40% voucher is good for - technology changes!
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 10, 2010 14:58:11 GMT -5
I'd wait for v1.4a....  Don't forget to order your 3D glasses!!  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 10, 2010 15:00:33 GMT -5
By the way, I need a new car... but I'm gonna' wait until 2020 cause they'll be better and new and improved!! LOL, just being a stinker!! I kid, I kid...  |
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Post by oldnickt on Feb 10, 2010 15:03:07 GMT -5
Hmm, I am still waiting for the improved 8 track for my car ....
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Post by DYohn on Feb 10, 2010 15:07:39 GMT -5
By the way, I need a new car... but I'm gonna' wait until 2020 cause they'll be better and new and improved!! LOL, just being a stinker!! I kid, I kid... Hey, I have one for sale, it's even Emotiva Blue... I'll let it go cheap...  |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 10, 2010 15:10:18 GMT -5
By the way, I need a new car... but I'm gonna' wait until 2020 cause they'll be better and new and improved!! LOL, just being a stinker!! I kid, I kid... Hey, I have one for sale, it's even Emotiva Blue... I'll let it go cheap... Hey in MY opinion, that picture also shows you the future of 3D video.. ;D |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 10, 2010 15:14:22 GMT -5
There is good news and bad news:
BAD News: While 1.3 may pass trhough the 3D signals, current wisdom says that you will need 1.4 to pas trhough the metdata and signalling that describes the type of 3D coding being used for teh left eye/right eye information. (There are more than a few, and then there are resolution variables.) HDMI has actuall yposted some of this for public consumption on their web site. Again, not verfied since no one actaully has an HDMI 1.4 source yet, but the betting is also that current HDMI 1.3 repeaters -- that is your processor or AV recevier -- will choke when it sees these signals and discard them. OPPS! NO 3D!
The Middle News: That means you may have to take the HDMI and run it to the TV for video and a coax or optical to the audio device. OK, that limits things a bit, but maybe guys like Oppo will have a 3D Blu ray with analog outs, as well.
The Good News: Panasonic's first 3D BLu ray players, already shownin Japan, will get around this by actually having two HDMI outputs. One is 1.4 and meant to go directly to the 3D TV, the other is 1.3 to carry high-bit rate audio to the AVR or processor. A bit of a pain with two wires, but it does the job and prevents the current 1.3 gear from being paperweights.
Lots still to be ironed out aournd all of this.
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Post by ICBM99 on Feb 10, 2010 15:20:02 GMT -5
But I'd still need a 1.4/3d capable TV correct? I don't see myself updating that for a while.
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 10, 2010 15:22:15 GMT -5
By the way, I need a new car... but I'm gonna' wait until 2020 cause they'll be better and new and improved!! LOL, just being a stinker!! I kid, I kid... Big Dans here! That is a good point, there will always be something better right around the corner, but my only reservation is that its not 2020, its months away. With 3D blu-rays being released now and AVRs coming out this year with 1.4 and 3D TVs already out it seems that 3D, for better or worse, will at least be making a run at the market sometime in the next year or so... I just don't want to behind the curve before I even get the UMC dialed in ;D MAAAAYBE Emo could modify our UMCs in a year or so to be 1.4 compliant!  |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 15:37:46 GMT -5
Forget the meta data, I could never understand why they didn't build 120Hz support into HDMI 1.3
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Post by moodyman on Feb 10, 2010 15:41:59 GMT -5
I could care less about 3-D. I don't see it catching on whatsoever. Wearing glasses while watching TV just ain't gonna fly.
However..the ethernet capabilities of HDMI 1.4 does sound like it has lots of potential. On that same note...It doesn't bother me that the UMC will not have it. I'm sure the next Emotiva processor will if it looks like 1.4 is going mainstream...
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Post by maseline98 on Feb 10, 2010 15:44:24 GMT -5
I really believe that 3D is nothing more than a gimmick. I think the industry is running out of ideas of how to continue to get our dollars(throw dolby IIz right into the mix). I mean really...who wants to sit on their couch(with some silly glasses on...btw...i wear glasses so it wouldn't matter if it was 1080p or 1080i or even 480i...my eyes wouldn't be able to see it anyway) only being able to watch from a very few angles and get nauseated while doing it....
sure, don't get me wrong, there could be a few movies that could benefit from it, but I can't imagine martin scorsese sitting around salivating over making movies for the content...
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Post by monkeypimp on Feb 10, 2010 15:44:26 GMT -5
I could care less about 3-D. I don't see it catching on whatsoever. Wearing glasses while watching TV just ain't gonna fly. . I agree however I think if they can make the tv's that don't require glasses for 3-d it will end up being big.....but not for a few years. |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 15:46:35 GMT -5
I'm hopping it forces a lot of production to Red One etc. I simply don't understand the fascination Hollywood has for 24fps film when 90% of it is going digital in post production anyway. I'd like to see it all shot on digital 60fps but the main problem is lack of understanding of the gaffing/lighting technique change required. This has been the major hurtle for a lot of people in the film industry. They don't know how to work lighting when working in the digital format and thus turn their noses up when they don't get the desired results on a shoot. Also it sure cuts down on production not running cans 24/7. Huge expenses just in the couriering of cans let alone development and digitizing/capture. McG shooting the new terminator on that stupid Oz stock is proof positive they are morons. That affect could have been done digitally in post production!
PS I'm sure the CGI guys at ILM liked working with screwy colour space film stock McG. They had to dev special shaders even to work with it.
PSS Knowing was shot on Red One and it has a lot of dark takes with bright object in scene and it looks FINE!!! stupid movie but lighting was not a problem... exposure latitude didn't blow out any highlights to my eye though it could have been corrected in post production. I personally think the ability to shoot dark scenes with little lighting produces a more natural look to my eye.
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Post by Mister L'fe on Feb 10, 2010 16:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 16:25:45 GMT -5
Yeah Silicon Image has had samples since end of last summer. |
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Post by louissmith on Feb 10, 2010 16:41:38 GMT -5
Hey Solidstate,
Im curious why the facination with the RED Camera? The reason Hollywood is hung up on 24fps film is because it all works and works well. The camera systems are proven (a much less expensive than Digital ones) I work as a Motion Picture Camera Assitant and i can tell you that Digital takes a lot more effort in controlling contrast then it ever did with Negative film. We are constantly pulling the stop during shots on digital productions. I dont think you will every see 60fps become a standard. (to much data or to much film) either way it costs to much.
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Post by harblar on Feb 10, 2010 17:25:55 GMT -5
3d is great and all, but I wouldn't even consider it till 3d displays that don't require glasses start taking off. Even then you're pretty much limited to Tv sets as it'll be even longer before you see projectors go glassless. HDMI 1.5 or 1.6 will probably be implemented before 3d becomes a viable option. ;D
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