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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 17, 2010 0:07:47 GMT -5
great. so all we need to do is go out and drop some more cash on a NEW PS3? I don't see how this solve the original problem. It just hides it. And the original problem was?? yeah. good point... was reading this post and thinking about the Menu Clicks and Audio Signal drops on another thread... my bad. ;D |
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Post by moe on Feb 17, 2010 0:14:50 GMT -5
Yeah,I read that also,I really think that's an issue with ps3 settings somewhere,but who knows.I messed with mine an hour before posting and then resolved it in 1 minute.The ps3 has settings out the wazoo,one wrong and problem.
As I said,that's my first thought,after enough owners try it we'll get a better idea.
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Post by ratmice on Feb 17, 2010 7:50:54 GMT -5
I have the slim and can confirm that it definitely has the 176.4 issue. I also tried to play a DTS CD and got nothing but loud hiss, but this may be a settings issue. I accidently hit the "video" button on the remote during CD playback, and this seemed to cause a freeze-up. I also discovered that the slim doesn't play SACDs  . I was excited to finally use the few I have to their full potential, and I didn't realize until tonight that the feature was removed. If you mean the clicking in the right speaker, would you mind taking the poll in the stereo over digital thread? thanks. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 17, 2010 7:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah,I read that also,I really think that's an issue with ps3 settings somewhere,but who knows.I messed with mine an hour before posting and then resolved it in 1 minute.The ps3 has settings out the wazoo,one wrong and problem. As I said,that's my first thought,after enough owners try it we'll get a better idea. How did you fix it? |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 17, 2010 9:43:09 GMT -5
great. so all we need to do is go out and drop some more cash on a NEW PS3? I don't see how this solve the original problem. It just hides it. Relax its all good  I'm not saying you need to buy a new one. His post tells me a lot. First the UMC is built according to todays standards for HDMI. A new PS3 which probably also meets todays standards works just fine. So that tells me the place to start looking is at the older HDMI outputs to see what it is or is not doing. |
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 17, 2010 10:45:08 GMT -5
great. so all we need to do is go out and drop some more cash on a NEW PS3? I don't see how this solve the original problem. It just hides it. Relax its all good I'm not saying you need to buy a new one. His post tells me a lot. First the UMC is built according to todays standards for HDMI. A new PS3 which probably also meets todays standards works just fine. So that tells me the place to start looking is at the older HDMI outputs to see what it is or is not doing. yeah don't get me wrong Lonnie. I can appreciate that you guys are looking into most of the major glitches coming up. Not to say that the UMC is the cause of them but perhaps it is SO ADVANCED that is exposing the shortcomings of the other bits of hardware out there now!  |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 17, 2010 11:06:59 GMT -5
Relax its all good I'm not saying you need to buy a new one. His post tells me a lot. First the UMC is built according to todays standards for HDMI. A new PS3 which probably also meets todays standards works just fine. So that tells me the place to start looking is at the older HDMI outputs to see what it is or is not doing. yeah don't get me wrong Lonnie. I can appreciate that you guys are looking into most of the major glitches coming up. Not to say that the UMC is the cause of them but perhaps it is SO ADVANCED that is exposing the shortcomings of the other bits of hardware out there now! You hit the nail on the head my friend. The biggest problem I am seeing is older gear that does not meet the lastest standards. Especially the DVI gear, both the sources and the monitors/projectors. There was a lot of gear made that had HDMI jacks but were actually DVI on the inside and most didn't read or produce EDID info. So when the processor doesn't see EDID or DCP it is required to shut down certain operations. Thus it is difficult to tell someone, that even though their gear has an HDMI jack doesn't mean it is actually HDMI and then when they come back and say "well I can plug it directly to this and it works fine." Well you can see how this then becomes an issue trying to explain what is going on and the whole time the customer is probably thinking we are just feeding them a line. So yes, getting things to work with older gear is the big issue here and there are certain things we can do, but unfortunately there are other things where our hands are tied. |
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Post by bazonix on Feb 17, 2010 11:24:34 GMT -5
the 'chucky' ps3 isnt old at all (both are 1.3 spec currently), it has regular firmware updates and will be 3d compatible in the future.... be it the original or new slim.... the umc-1 should interact faultlessly with both. so is this not the case?
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 17, 2010 11:47:23 GMT -5
the 'chucky' ps3 isnt old at all (both are 1.3 spec currently), it has regular firmware updates and will be 3d compatible in the future.... be it the original or new slim.... the umc-1 should interact faultlessly with both. so is this not the case? Currently looks that way. From the sound of it Lonnie is looking into a cause/solution for people owning anything but the latest PS3 unit. There is another thread in Processor/Preamps that discusses the issues more in depth regarding audio cutting out between menu picks and such. To be clear, I don't own a UMC yet but am slated to send my CC info to them in a couple weeks... |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 17, 2010 12:32:58 GMT -5
I have a launch PS 3, (fat, 60GB swapped for 320GB hard drive), and the only way music plays correctly is to have the music frequency output set to 44.8khz. With the other setting, 44.1/88.2/176.4khz, I get audio dropout every time I pause, FF or rewind a song.
I also got audio dropout with the Akira Blu-ray, which outputs at 192khz.
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Post by venaka on Feb 17, 2010 12:44:00 GMT -5
I have the slim and can confirm that it definitely has the 176.4 issue. I also tried to play a DTS CD and got nothing but loud hiss, but this may be a settings issue. I accidently hit the "video" button on the remote during CD playback, and this seemed to cause a freeze-up. I also discovered that the slim doesn't play SACDs . I was excited to finally use the few I have to their full potential, and I didn't realize until tonight that the feature was removed. SOmewhere somehow, you guys are changing the ps3 settings up. I have the fat boy ps3 set up at lpcm and have had no issues. DTS CD, games, blu-ray, SACD, DTS HD_MA, everything. Running everithing through hdmi with latest firmware. My fat ps3 is quiet, never heats up, and have never returned it like the 360. |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 17, 2010 13:14:07 GMT -5
There are quiet and noisy ones - mine is in the middle from others I have heard. I am tempted to open it and see how the heatsink compound was placed and replace it with a better TIM. Maybe that is all that is needed to get it quiet. Then again, one person's quiet is another's "VERY ANNOYING".  |
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Post by bazonix on Feb 17, 2010 13:29:40 GMT -5
I have a launch PS 3, (fat, 60GB swapped for 320GB hard drive), and the only way music plays correctly is to have the music frequency output set to 44.8khz. With the other setting, 44.1/88.2/176.4khz, I get audio dropout every time I pause, FF or rewind a song. I also got audio dropout with the Akira Blu-ray, which outputs at 192khz. well obviously new firmware will be required to iron out these issues.... im not buying into the fact either ps3 will/should give different results/drop outs, unless bitstreaming of course. my ps3 plays faultlessly with my hk avr, my onkyo 905 and an old denon via digital.... this should be the same for any 1.3 spec avr/receiver/pro.... so?!! |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 17, 2010 13:47:48 GMT -5
There are quiet and noisy ones - mine is in the middle from others I have heard. I am tempted to open it and see how the heatsink compound was placed and replace it with a better TIM. Maybe that is all that is needed to get it quiet. Then again, one person's quiet is another's "VERY ANNOYING". It's a bit of a pain to get open. I just took mine apart the other day to reflow the motherboard connections and reapply thermal compound. It didn't help me. If you need any tips to getting it apart. lemme know. Also, only do this if your warrantee is up. You can't get it open without voiding it. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 17, 2010 13:49:23 GMT -5
I have a launch PS 3, (fat, 60GB swapped for 320GB hard drive), and the only way music plays correctly is to have the music frequency output set to 44.8khz. With the other setting, 44.1/88.2/176.4khz, I get audio dropout every time I pause, FF or rewind a song. I also got audio dropout with the Akira Blu-ray, which outputs at 192khz. well obviously new firmware will be required to iron out these issues.... im not buying into the fact either ps3 will/should give different results/drop outs, unless bitstreaming of course. my ps3 plays faultlessly with my hk avr, my onkyo 905 and an old denon via digital.... this should be the same for any 1.3 spec avr/receiver/pro.... so?!! I talked with EMO tech support today, and as far as this person knew the only FW update in the pipeline is for the USP/UMC remote code overlap. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 17, 2010 15:56:35 GMT -5
There are quiet and noisy ones - mine is in the middle from others I have heard. I am tempted to open it and see how the heatsink compound was placed and replace it with a better TIM. Maybe that is all that is needed to get it quiet. Then again, one person's quiet is another's "VERY ANNOYING". It's a bit of a pain to get open. I just took mine apart the other day to reflow the motherboard connections and reapply thermal compound. It didn't help me. If you need any tips to getting it apart. lemme know. Also, only do this if your warrantee is up. You can't get it open without voiding it. I thought about replacing my fan with one from the slim version as I hear it's quieter, but I looked at a video on Youtube and it scared the hell out of me. You have to take the whole damn thing apart to get to the fan. If you have some instructions, shoot me a PM. |
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Post by moe on Feb 17, 2010 17:07:54 GMT -5
After all these discussions I decided to try my Steve Miller dts audio disc through the ps3 on the umc.I get noise.no music.I put the same disc in my oppo,used the same hdmi connection and cable,dts played instantly,no issues.I then hooked up my Panasonic bd60,put the disc in and it played the dts cd no problems.It appears the cause is something in the ps3,a setting,maybe some of Sony's crazy ideas at work,I dunno but it's the only player I have that don't want to play the dts disc.
I plan on trying different things to see if I can change the output,resolve the issue.I would never have tried this as I use the oppo for sacd/dvda etc....and it don't effect me one bit,but I suppose it may others.But the fact everything works through oppo and Panasonic tells me it's a ps3 issue as much as umc.
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Post by pynchon on Feb 17, 2010 17:13:34 GMT -5
After all these discussions I decided to try my Steve Miller dts audio disc through the ps3 on the umc.I get noise.no music.I put the same disc in my oppo,used the same hdmi connection and cable,dts played instantly,no issues.I then hooked up my Panasonic bd60,put the disc in and it played the dts cd no problems.It appears the cause is something in the ps3,a setting,maybe some of Sony's crazy ideas at work,I dunno but it's the only player I have that don't want to play the dts disc. I plan on trying different things to see if I can change the output,resolve the issue.I would never have tried this as I use the oppo for sacd/dvda etc....and it don't effect me one bit,but I suppose it may others.But the fact everything works through oppo and Panasonic tells me it's a ps3 issue as much as umc. I dunno if this helps, but to play dts from my ps3 I have to set it to bitstream. I know that doesn't work with dts hd and the new dd hd - it has to be lpcm But anyway with my older pro via optical I have to go bitstream to get dts (non HD) to output for movies. |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 17, 2010 17:27:02 GMT -5
I seem to recall there is a settings page in the PS3 setup where you tick boxes to tell it what your processor supports - I think a lot of them are unticked by default and of course if any are wrong you might get noise/odd results - just saying it is worth checking what is ticked and maybe doing them one at a time to see what ones work and what ones don't?
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Post by moe on Feb 17, 2010 17:48:42 GMT -5
You're correct,and any problems I've had with audio and the ps3 have always been some obscure setting.I may try to trouble shoot it but for me it's a non issue as the oppo does my audio disc.
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. I was excited to finally use the few I have to their full potential, and I didn't realize until tonight that the feature was removed.
I'm not saying you need to buy a new one. 
