UMC-1 upscale question

[DYohn]

Feb 20, 2010 11:45:51 GMT -5 bootman said:

Feb 20, 2010 11:04:09 GMT -5 jerrym303 said:

Run in pass-through if we have a good scaler in our display - but wait! We get switched to 480P full-time if the UMC EVER sees a 480i signal. Nix that option.

This IMO is not how pass-through should work and should be corrected.

Pass through should work instead just like a switch.

You said it best with "in your opinion." The designers of the unit obviously felt differently. C'est la vie. Like I said in the earlier message, you are not being forced to own the device.

[jerrym303]

Feb 20, 2010 12:50:48 GMT -5 DYohn said:

Feb 20, 2010 11:04:09 GMT -5 jerrym303 said:

I'm not sure that all of this discussion really addresses the original poster's issues.

Leave aside the UMC auto mode for the moment and focus on his attempt to force 1080P. If this would work properly for everything but 1080p-24, that would work for most people. But then Lonnie says that the UMC is double-processing based up on info from the source. Well, why can't the UMC recognize the incoming resolution instead of "asking" the source?

So, let's review our options:

Run in pass-through if we have a good scaler in our display - but wait! We get switched to 480P full-time if the UMC EVER sees a 480i signal. Nix that option.

OK, run in auto - but wait! The UMC may not play nice with our other components and will degrade the signal. Nix that idea.

OK, force the resolution to what is native to our display - but wait! UMC may try to double-scale and degrade the signal.

I would $100 extra for a unit that would act ONLY as a switch for video.

IMO, if it does not do what you want it to do the way you want it done, then don't buy it. Or return it. Simple.

In my application, it works well, it does exactly what I want it to do, and it does not degrade the signal. I am using no legacy video sources and I do not WANT old school broadcast 480i images to ever disgrace my eyes again. The UMC-1 scaler and processor creates a beautiful 1080p/60 image that my 52" Sony XBR4 loves. I am happy. YMMV.

Well, fanboy, this is a discussion forum and when a unit can't get it right in ANY of the modes offered, that should be discussed. It is not unreasonable for folks to want to watch Directv, DVD and Bluray.

And, in fact, I will pass when my name comes up in a couple of weeks if Emotiva doesn't at least recognize the problem(s) with their video processing ad agree to work on fixing it/them.

Even if I don't take the unit, I can still discuss it here without your permission.

[DYohn]

Yes, I'm a fanboy. You got it.

So bottom line is you do not own the device yet so you're on here bitching about things you don't have any experience with based on what you've heard on the Internet?

So if I'm a fanboy, doesn't that make you a troll?

[jerrym303]

Yes, I do have it right. I will not try to tell you not to exercise your right to be a fanboy. I only ask for the same consideration in return.

[DYohn]

Feb 20, 2010 13:12:56 GMT -5 jerrym303 said:

Yes, I do have it right. I will not try to tell you not to exercise your right to be a fanboy. I only ask for the same consideration in return.

Please point out where I told you to shut up. I only mentioned that you have the right to not purchase the gear should you decide it is not something you want to own.

[jerrym303]

That is not exactly how you stated it. I can see how you would want to re-word your original message. I suggest we just move on and I will continue to hope that Emotiva addresses the video processing issue. I did sign up for it for good reasons.

[DYohn]

No need to reword anything. Here's my post that resulted in you attacking me:

Feb 20, 2010 12:50:48 GMT -5 DYohn said:

IMO, if it does not do what you want it to do the way you want it done, then don't buy it. Or return it. Simple.

In my application, it works well, it does exactly what I want it to do, and it does not degrade the signal. I am using no legacy video sources and I do not WANT old school broadcast 480i images to ever disgrace my eyes again. The UMC-1 scaler and processor creates a beautiful 1080p/60 image that my 52" Sony XBR4 loves. I am happy. YMMV.

I own the unit and I like it. That makes me a fan, although I have not been a "boy" for probably 50 years.

In any case, I suggest you purchase a UMC-1 and see for yourself. Report back with your experiences.

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Fanoldfart? ;D

[roadrunner]

Feb 21, 2010 3:10:19 GMT -5 @chuckienut said:

Fanoldfart? ;D

F O F for short?



Could by used for all sorts of variants -- think about it. ;D

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I'm thinking.

[DYohn]

Feb 21, 2010 3:10:19 GMT -5 @chuckienut said:

Fanoldfart? ;D

Now THAT'S more like it! ;D

[Deleted]

I'm still thinking. (At my age that is a blessing.)

[hogweed]

Quick question off topic but not worthy of a thread..
On passthrough, is there an OSD? I assume no but would like confirmation. Don't have a UMC yet.
Thanks

[Deleted]

yes, there is.

[Deleted]

Screen name: hogweed

Hogweed reminds me of a song I first heard in the Movie Easy Rider.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbY9ePebWB8

[loopinfool]

Feb 19, 2010 19:56:36 GMT -5 ICBM99 said:

Sorry guys I don't agree. I took some pics while I was watching The Incredible Hulk Blu-Ray. You can clearly see that pass through is better.

Unless there is some tweak/setting that I don't know about.

To me, your photos show classic sharpening artifacts. They are often most apparent on anti-aliased text because sharpening messes up the gamma and defeats the edge smoothing.

A lot of people prefer the "punch" of some sharpening, but there are artifacts, and yours is a prime example of them.

Your pass-through photo is great proof that there's no video processing going on. I suspect turning down the sharpness control (possibly all the way) while on "Auto" may fix what you're seeing.

- LoopinFool

[zductive]

Let me understand this Dyohn.

You have to put the unit into passthrough mode so that you can watch 24fps blu ray. But, if you leave it in passthrough mode and go to an sd channel, the unit switches to 480p mode and stays there.

The UMC drives a video processor. I would hope that the edid is 1080P.

Sure seems like a bug to me if the UMC doesn't switch back to passthrough after it switches to 480P

[emoforme]

zductive - here's a thread where you can read all about this issue:

emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=9440

[ripcordaff]

I have heard, from Lonnie, but I may be mistaken that Auto will correctly negotiate a 1080p\24 signal provided your display correctly asks for it. I would assume that any 1080p 120\240hz display should negotiate this correctly, but its an incredible gamble. It basically comes down to this--Though my current display is only 60hz, the 120hz upgrade is my current goal. I do not want to have to limit my display choices to a unit that will correctly negotiate for a 24 signal. Though its obvious that any 120hz display should do that for blu-rays, this forum has made abundantly clear that EDID negotiation is anything but precise. The last thing I want is for the UMC to add in some scaling to 1080p\60 just because the EDID request from my new display is incorrect.

I do understand that its not Emotiva's fault that a display has incorrect EDID request information, but its equally clear that I can't have a processor that fails to cope with EDID hiccups.

I suppose the answer is the XMC with its individual input resolution settings...Global settings simple require too much compromise.