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Post by smitty4ut on Feb 17, 2010 14:16:29 GMT -5
Does the UMC-1 just pass through a 1080p signal with out doing anything. I have now problem with it upscaling other signals, I just don't want it to do anything on a 1080p source material.
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Post by oneliterpeter on Feb 17, 2010 14:35:34 GMT -5
I think it smooths out the 1080p signal... The 1 becomes more of an I and the 0's are more rounded like O's so afterwards you end up with a IO8Op signal.
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Post by brettjb on Feb 17, 2010 14:37:49 GMT -5
I think it smooths out the 1080p signal... The 1 becomes more of an I and the 0's are more rounded like O's so afterwards you end up with a IO8Op signal. OK, that's one of the funnier trolls I've read in a while...  Smitty, what is your global video resolution set to currently? 1080p or passthrough? |
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 17, 2010 14:51:37 GMT -5
Does the UMC-1 just pass through a 1080p signal with out doing anything. I have now problem with it upscaling other signals, I just don't want it to do anything on a 1080p source material. If you set it to Auto it should upscale everything but 1080p signals. |
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Post by oneliterpeter on Feb 17, 2010 16:31:57 GMT -5
Does the UMC-1 just pass through a 1080p signal with out doing anything. I have now problem with it upscaling other signals, I just don't want it to do anything on a 1080p source material. If you set it to Auto it should upscale everything but 1080p signals. I believe that if you set it to Auto... It sets the UMC-1 resolution to that of the Source. Conversely... If you set it to 1080p... It upscales everything to 1080p and then passes through the 1080p signal since it can't upscale it. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 17, 2010 16:46:01 GMT -5
If you set it to Auto it should upscale everything but 1080p signals. I believe that if you set it to Auto... It sets the UMC-1 resolution to that of the Source. Conversely... If you set it to 1080p... It upscales everything to 1080p and then passes through the 1080p signal since it can't upscale it. Actully from the owner's manual: When set to Auto the UMC-1, Blu-Ray Player and Video display will communicate and set set the optimum resolution for all units. When set to Pass Through it will pass the video signal to the display device bit for bit. (No scaling or video processing are done in this mode.) |
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 17, 2010 17:12:15 GMT -5
I believe that if you set it to Auto... It sets the UMC-1 resolution to that of the Source. Conversely... If you set it to 1080p... It upscales everything to 1080p and then passes through the 1080p signal since it can't upscale it. Actully from the owner's manual: When set to Auto the UMC-1, Blu-Ray Player and Video display will communicate and set set the optimum resolution for all units. When set to Pass Through it will pass the video signal to the display device bit for bit. (No scaling or video processing are done in this mode.) Correct, so, to clarify to the OP, use Auto. If the UMC-1 is operating properly, anything that is not already a 1080p signal will get upscaled, and anything that is already a 1080p signal should be left alone. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 17, 2010 19:33:07 GMT -5
Hi guys, OK, here is the skinny... If you force the output resolution to say, 1080p, the UMC- will up-convert all incoming sources to this resolution. It will also process native 1080p sources through our beautiful looking and IMHO, very capable image processing engine and give you what we believe is a better looking 1080p image. If you don't want better, then use the pass through mode. What goes in is what goes out. This bypasses the image processing and up-converting engine. This will also maintain the native frame rate and resolution of the source. This is also how you handle 24fps sources. If you set the UMC-1 to Auto, the UMC-1 will retrieve the EDID data from your display and set its output resolution to the the setting the display prefers to work at. You will also receive the benefit of our lovely video processing engines image enhancement capabilities. See? It's simple!  Have fun, Big Dan |
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Post by moe on Feb 17, 2010 19:56:52 GMT -5
Hi guys, OK, here is the skinny... If you don't want better, then use the pass through mode. What goes in is what goes out. This bypasses the image processing and up-converting engine. This will also maintain the native frame rate and resolution of the source. This is also how you handle 24fps sources. Big Dan Yes,and the little icon shows up on my tv confirming this. |
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Post by sounder on Feb 17, 2010 20:09:02 GMT -5
So, then, how do you handle a source that could benefit from that improvement of the image when the source sometimes has a dvd 1080i or 1080p and sometimes has a bluray at 24fps? Do you have to change the setting each time?
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 17, 2010 21:30:15 GMT -5
If you set the UMC-1 to Auto, the UMC-1 will retrieve the EDID data from your display and set its output resolution to the the setting the display prefers to work at. You will also receive the benefit of our lovely video processing engines image enhancement capabilities. See? It's simple! Have fun, Big Dan Ah-ha! This clarifies something I thought I noticed when setting up Steve's UMC-1 but I wasn't certain and it conflicted with my logic. It also correct my prior assumption that Auto would only upscale / process non-1080p signals. According to Big Dan, if your display requests 1080p, and you have the UMC-1 set to Auto, it processes/upscales ALL content, including 1080p. The thing I noticed was jumping between Auto/Through/1080p on the UMC-1, I kept thinking that Auto and 1080p looked alike more often than not, and that Through was the one that didn't look quite as good. My expectation, though, was that with 1080p content from the BDP-83, Auto should NOT have been processing it and I couldn't figure out why it looked like it was. Well, it's because, apparently, IT WAS! Fair enough. I can live with this. This means my prior two posts are incorrect. Thanks, Big Dan, for the explanation. |
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 17, 2010 21:36:47 GMT -5
So, then, how do you handle a source that could benefit from that improvement of the image when the source sometimes has a dvd 1080i or 1080p and sometimes has a bluray at 24fps? Do you have to change the setting each time? I think you'll be happy to know: So, regardless of the global resolution setting, when the UMC-1 detects a 24fps source it should just pass it through, unmolested. |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 17, 2010 23:25:55 GMT -5
If you set the UMC-1 to Auto, the UMC-1 will retrieve the EDID data from your display and set its output resolution to the the setting the display prefers to work at. You will also receive the benefit of our lovely video processing engines image enhancement capabilities. See? It's simple! Have fun, Big Dan Ah-ha! This clarifies something I thought I noticed when setting up Steve's UMC-1 but I wasn't certain and it conflicted with my logic. It also correct my prior assumption that Auto would only upscale / process non-1080p signals. According to Big Dan, if your display requests 1080p, and you have the UMC-1 set to Auto, it processes/upscales ALL content, including 1080p. The thing I noticed was jumping between Auto/Through/1080p on the UMC-1, I kept thinking that Auto and 1080p looked alike more often than not, and that Through was the one that didn't look quite as good. My expectation, though, was that with 1080p content from the BDP-83, Auto should NOT have been processing it and I couldn't figure out why it looked like it was. Well, it's because, apparently, IT WAS! Fair enough. I can live with this. This means my prior two posts are incorrect. Thanks, Big Dan, for the explanation. Wait. Are you saying that when set to Auto (and so processing even 1080p sources) the processed image looked better than the native coming from the BDP-83 (widely regarded as having stellar image quality)?? How can that be? Why would you want to further process a video stream that matches your display and needs no scaling? Furthermore, on that point, what exactly is the UMC doing to those 1080 sources that it processes but doesn't scale? Are you all leaving the image adjustments at the standard "50"? What about sharpness? Sharpness is definitely increasing the sharpness of the image (so is "0" no sharpness added, but leaving the native sharpness?). But what about color? Is "50" on the color bars no adjustments being done or is something being changed? |
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 18, 2010 1:02:44 GMT -5
Ah-ha! This clarifies something I thought I noticed when setting up Steve's UMC-1 but I wasn't certain and it conflicted with my logic. It also correct my prior assumption that Auto would only upscale / process non-1080p signals. According to Big Dan, if your display requests 1080p, and you have the UMC-1 set to Auto, it processes/upscales ALL content, including 1080p. The thing I noticed was jumping between Auto/Through/1080p on the UMC-1, I kept thinking that Auto and 1080p looked alike more often than not, and that Through was the one that didn't look quite as good. My expectation, though, was that with 1080p content from the BDP-83, Auto should NOT have been processing it and I couldn't figure out why it looked like it was. Well, it's because, apparently, IT WAS! Fair enough. I can live with this. This means my prior two posts are incorrect. Thanks, Big Dan, for the explanation. Wait. Are you saying that when set to Auto (and so processing even 1080p sources) the processed image looked better than the native coming from the BDP-83 (widely regarded as having stellar image quality)?? How can that be? Why would you want to further process a video stream that matches your display and needs no scaling? To be brief, yes. I have commented in several other threads about this with general reference to some other forums posters' observations. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 18, 2010 9:26:47 GMT -5
Wait. Are you saying that when set to Auto (and so processing even 1080p sources) the processed image looked better than the native coming from the BDP-83 (widely regarded as having stellar image quality)?? How can that be? Why would you want to further process a video stream that matches your display and needs no scaling? To be brief, yes. I have commented in several other threads about this with general reference to some other forums posters' observations. I agree. The processed output improves the look of even 1080p Blu Ray signals. It is a very good video processor. Noise is reduced, blacks are deeper, edges are sharper, colors are more saturated. And this is on a professionally calibrated display... |
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Post by smitty4ut on Feb 18, 2010 9:34:10 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the answers. That is what I really wanted to know. I have a Denon 3808 now, and it's video capabilities are not that good. So I did not want it touching what was coming out of my BDP-83. Sounds like the UMC-1 will be better all the way around from my Denon. Then I can move it to my bedroom. Now I am just waiting for my email asking for my CC info. Already have the go from the wife. Looking forward to getting one.
Thanks ;D
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Post by palmfish on Feb 18, 2010 9:50:39 GMT -5
To be brief, yes. I have commented in several other threads about this with general reference to some other forums posters' observations. I agree. The processed output improves the look of even 1080p Blu Ray signals. It is a very good video processor. Noise is reduced, blacks are deeper, edges are sharper, colors are more saturated. And this is on a professionally calibrated display... Could you please tell me where some of these discussions are located? I'd really like to read them. I'm about to purchase a BDP-83, and I chose it, in large part, because I have a large DVD collection and I've read that the Oppo's ABT VRS chip makes it an excellent choice for upscaling DVD. If the UMC-1 truly does at least as good a job of upscaling as the BDP-83 (or, as has been mentioned, will add processing to the BDP-83's 1080p signal anyways), then isn't buying the BDP-83 is a waste when I would get the exact same picture with the BDP-80 (for $200 less)? And, just to clarify, how is it good for a 480p source to be processed twice (1st by the player and then again by the UMC-1)? |
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Post by 2infinity on Feb 18, 2010 10:42:12 GMT -5
Hey guys, a quick question.
I looked through the pdf of the hex codes. Is the video command a quick means of turning off scaling to passthrough? Just wanted to know in case I wanted to add it to any activities for certain inputs since the video setting are global.
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Post by ICBM99 on Feb 19, 2010 19:56:36 GMT -5
To be brief, yes. I have commented in several other threads about this with general reference to some other forums posters' observations. I agree. The processed output improves the look of even 1080p Blu Ray signals. It is a very good video processor. Noise is reduced, blacks are deeper, edges are sharper, colors are more saturated. And this is on a professionally calibrated display... Sorry guys I don't agree. I took some pics while I was watching The Incredible Hulk Blu-Ray. You can clearly see that pass through is better. UMC set to Auto:  See the aliasing, its real evident on the "A" UMC Pass Through:  Unless there is some tweak/setting that I don't know about.  |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 19, 2010 20:07:17 GMT -5
Mine is locked into 1080p/60 with Deep Color "on."
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