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Post by snodog on Feb 25, 2010 17:52:06 GMT -5
It is nice to know. I am pretty sure there would be some stipulations that they cant disclose who they supply or design for. Strange that Emo can even have their own company as it would likely be conflict of interest but hell its all good with me. If people want to pay multiple thousands of dollars for the same thing with another logo screen printed on it then doom on them I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 18:37:04 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Dan ownes Jade Design Group. AKA Emotiva. For many years they have been helping in the design, and manufacturing of AV electronics products. It is my understanding that the relationship, and perhaps ownership of the Manufacturing plant in China belongs to Jade Design. Many electronics companies are intersted in improving margins by having thier electronics manufactured in China... but do not have the relationship or ownership of a Chinese manufacturing company... hence they negotiate with Jade Design to supply this capability. It is also about economy of scale... If Jade Design manufactures for 10 Electronics companies... thus have to buy components for 10 electronics companies... do you think they will be able to secure better volume pricing? NRE - Non Recurring Engineering - refers to the one-time cost of researching, developing, designing, and testing a new product. When budgeting for a project, NRE must be considered in order to analyze if a new product will be profitable. Even though a company will pay for NRE on a project only once, NRE can be considerably high and the product will have to sell well enough to produce a return on the initial investment. NRE is unlike production costs, which must be paid continually in order to maintain production of a product. In a project-type company, large parts (possibly all) of the project represent NRE. In this case the NRE costs are likely be included in the first project's costs. If the company cannot recover these costs, it will have to consider funding part of these from reserves (possibly make a project loss) in the hope that the investment can be recovered from additional profit on future projects. Example Imagine that you are running a bicycle company. Company B, a competitor, is selling bicycles of lighter weight than yours. You decided that the best way for your company to compete is to create even lighter bicycles. So you hire some engineers to design lighter bicycles for you. You pay their hourly wages, you pay for the materials they need to build prototypes, and you pay for any equipment they may need to accomplish this task. Eventually they finish the design of the new bicycle. Then, you may need to build new machines to fabricate bicycles according to your new design. After all of that your new bicycle will go into production. The money that you paid for the engineer's wages, the testing equipment, and building the new machines is the NRE because you no longer need to pay those costs now that the bicycle has entered production. Now you have to keep production costs low enough so that you can recover the NRE and profit from the sales of your bicycles that have the new design. ... One wonders why the Emotiva products look like others that Jade Design manufactures? Simple - NRE. One wonders why Emotiva products are only sold online? Simple... non-compete clauses with the companies that sell the same product in the retail space under a different brand. Since Emotiva doesn't work in that space, they don't have to pay Dealer commissions. In conclusion: 1) Manufactured in China 2) NRE 3) Economy of scale 4) Direct Web Marketing only (No Dealer Commissions) Thus... Emotiva can pass the design enhancement and cost savings on to us... the loyal Emotivans!!! **NOTE** The above data is only derived in my head (my little Walter Mitty world). I have no concrete proof of what I wrote above is true. Theoretically feasible. cogent theory |
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Post by smackrabbit on Feb 25, 2010 22:12:06 GMT -5
With the Lexicon/Oppo example, what you're really buying for $3,000 is support from the Lexicon dealer network instead of from Oppo, the case is really inconsequential. LMAO..nice spin..you work for Lexicon?? No, I have nothing to do with Lexicon or Oppo, I'm just saying that the $3,000 difference is getting you that basically, and that's it. For myself, and most people, Oppo has fantastic support and we're fine hooking up our players on our own. For the person that wants a complete system from a dealer that sells Lexicon, they might be willing to pay the $3,000 for the dealer network and support. I think the $3,000 markup is absurd, and had they made is $1,000 markup and said "Yes, it's 3x as much, but they're buying our support network, where a dealer will show up at their house that day with a replacement player if it breaks" (I believe your dealer would do this for you if you bought the Lexicon) then I don't think people would complain about it as much. |
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Post by pynchon on Feb 25, 2010 22:31:52 GMT -5
to me the mv-5 was the beginning of lexicon's demise - that and their bitter refusal to go hdmi for the most part - wonder what happened to such a solid company?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 23:11:31 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that the site of the company above that rhymes with Melbourne is shut down? Coincidence? Probably just a coincidence.
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Post by hemster on Feb 25, 2010 23:14:44 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that the site of the company above that rhymes with Melbourne is shut down? Coincidence? I noticed that! Me thinks it was Borne out of necessity.. ;D |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 25, 2010 23:24:10 GMT -5
So, Emotiva owns Melbourne...I had no idea. I thought for sure it was psrt of Australia. Or maybe Indiana. I'm not good with geography.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 23:56:35 GMT -5
Man, you two guys are a couple of nuts! I have a smoking monkey occasionally, but it doesn't need glasses.
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Post by 2infinity on Feb 26, 2010 0:30:05 GMT -5
Yep Sherbourn still down.
Totally weird
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Post by johnnyg on Feb 26, 2010 11:07:57 GMT -5
It's back up now.
Conspiracy crisis averted.
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Post by tchaik on Feb 27, 2010 10:52:36 GMT -5
i had too much time on my hands last night so i compared, specs, circuit boards (counting parts and layout, position etc....) and the topography of all that is in and out with the umc and the sherbourne. omg.... they are the same pre-pro sans the height, layout of the front panel and addition of the balanced outs on the sherbourne. it doesn't matter to me but it will be interesting to compare the final retail prices of both. it certainly gives weight to the idea that both units share the same design team. who knows, maybe the eq function on the sherbourne is different from the emo-q but i wouldn't be surprised if even they share the same software designers.
just an interesting exercise.......
tchaik......
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Post by Spiky on Feb 27, 2010 11:20:15 GMT -5
For the person that wants a complete system from a dealer that sells Lexicon, they might be willing to pay the $3,000 for the dealer network and support. Except that dealers charge extra for support and installation. It's not included in the equipment price. |
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Post by johnnyg on Feb 27, 2010 14:53:00 GMT -5
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Post by teedub21 on Feb 27, 2010 15:27:56 GMT -5
Crazy, the back plate is identical to the UMC, minus the balanced connectors of course.
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Post by tchaik on Feb 27, 2010 17:32:26 GMT -5
Crazy, the back plate is identical to the UMC, minus the balanced connectors of course. compare the innards. you will be astounded. even if sherbourn has a different sw team that were able to anticipate some of the glitches that emotiva did not initially anticipate, i can not imagine that the sherbourn will sound any different than the emo at all. ;D with that being said, how can anyone complain about the umc? omg!!!! what a deal!!!! tchaik............ |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 27, 2010 19:28:29 GMT -5
i had too much time on my hands last night so i compared, specs, circuit boards (counting parts and layout, position etc....) and the topography of all that is in and out with the umc and the sherbourne. omg.... they are the same pre-pro sans the height, layout of the front panel and addition of the balanced outs on the sherbourne. it doesn't matter to me but it will be interesting to compare the final retail prices of both. it certainly gives weight to the idea that both units share the same design team. who knows, maybe the eq function on the sherbourne is different from the emo-q but i wouldn't be surprised if even they share the same software designers. just an interesting exercise....... tchaik...... Did you find out if the Sherbourn actually has a true balanced output stage and not just XLR connections. It better have that if they're charging $2300 more.  |
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Post by tchaik on Feb 27, 2010 22:44:24 GMT -5
i didn't find that out. will have to look at the description and specs again to see if that question is answered.
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Post by tchaik on Feb 27, 2010 23:18:38 GMT -5
looked up the product pages of sherbourn. could not find if the outs were balanced or not.
but....sho nuff their new 2, 5, and 7 channel amps are internally xactly like emos upa-2, xpa-5 and upa-7. power and distortion specs are different. back side of amps are similar w/small differences. yep.. they all have a common parent. i see no problem in that there are just certain people who will not buy an internet only audio/video product so wouldn't you want to find a way to broaden your market. for those who need the brick and morter audio emporiums in order to have peace of mind and who feel that the xtra cost is worth it, god bless them. i am thankful that emo chose to find a way to sell high end at mid-fi prices.
in reality, both markets benefit from high quality equipment and sound.
tchaik...........
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Post by tl on Feb 28, 2010 2:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by jannick on Feb 28, 2010 3:09:39 GMT -5
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