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Post by jamrock on Aug 21, 2011 6:58:28 GMT -5
In his update, Big Dan stated the following about the XMC-1: "Also, the SW updating is new and the micro- controller that manages the processor is now ARM based and much more powerful and capable.! This is something you will all like very much!!"I'm one of the biggest dunces that sits in front of a computer. Can one of you erudite folks elucidate. And I mean in baby bite-size pieces please! Much thanks.
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Post by jgeiger on Aug 21, 2011 9:26:18 GMT -5
In his update, Big Dan stated the following about the XMC-1: "Also, the SW updating is new and the micro- controller that manages the processor is now ARM based and much more powerful and capable.! This is something you will all like very much!!"I'm one of the biggest dunces that sits in front of a computer. Can one of you erudite folks elucidate. And I mean in baby bite-size pieces please! Much thanks. Simple answer. It should actually work properly now. Longer answer. They put a computer inside the xmc that will handle the update instead of just sending data down the line and hoping it will work.
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Post by jamrock on Aug 21, 2011 9:55:37 GMT -5
In his update, Big Dan stated the following about the XMC-1: "Also, the SW updating is new and the micro- controller that manages the processor is now ARM based and much more powerful and capable.! This is something you will all like very much!!"I'm one of the biggest dunces that sits in front of a computer. Can one of you erudite folks elucidate. And I mean in baby bite-size pieces please! Much thanks. Simple answer. It should actually work properly now. Longer answer. They put a computer inside the xmc that will handle the update instead of just sending data down the line and hoping it will work. So, how will updates be accomplished?
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Post by whiskeybravo on Aug 21, 2011 10:04:06 GMT -5
I am hoping similar to the Oppo. Simple, easy, and only taking a few minutes.
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Post by ladesign on Aug 21, 2011 10:09:39 GMT -5
Updates? Could be any number of ways and it will be interesting to see which way they go.
Coolest is in the new Onkyo AVRs, among others, where the upgrades are "push". Just as you get a pop-up on your computer for new versions of Flash, Apple Software, etc., with these products the unit looks out to the cloud everytime you turn it on. If there is a new SW load you are asked if you want it. Say yes and it downloads and installs automatically. One doubts the XMC will have this as it would require network connectivity that the unit most likely won't -- and probably shouldn't -- have.
The other way is what is most common in virtually every other AVR and many surround processors. Download the software, copy it to a USB stick, plug the stick into a front panel jack, tell the menu system you have an update/upgrade and after a few EULA acknowledgements and similar you're off to the races. It doesn't matter how the unit does this internally, using an ARM or dedicated MCU. As long as the installation is simple to do, that's all that matters. One has to suspect that this is the route they will take. Let's hope so.
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Post by nojevah on Aug 21, 2011 10:38:33 GMT -5
It does not mean it will be a good passthrough. Adding an info like menu OSD means it will interfere with sources, so there's a good chance they will be unnecessarily conversions between source and final output (TV). The best way to have a true passthrough is firstly not to have an OSD menu (I know it's impossible, but it would be great to have a way to disable completely this OSD). In his update, Big Dan stated the following about the XMC-1: "Also, the SW updating is new and the micro- controller that manages the processor is now ARM based and much more powerful and capable.! This is something you will all like very much!!"I'm one of the biggest dunces that sits in front of a computer. Can one of you erudite folks elucidate. And I mean in baby bite-size pieces please! Much thanks. It means the Firmware update will be easier, and it also means the XMC-1 will have a better "CPU" (a ARM one).
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 21, 2011 11:24:12 GMT -5
In his update, Big Dan stated the following about the XMC-1: "Also, the SW updating is new and the micro- controller that manages the processor is now ARM based and much more powerful and capable.! This is something you will all like very much!!"I'm one of the biggest dunces that sits in front of a computer. Can one of you erudite folks elucidate. And I mean in baby bite-size pieces please! Much thanks. Simple answer. It should actually work properly now. Longer answer. They put a computer inside the xmc that will handle the update instead of just sending data down the line and hoping it will work. Depending on the power of the particular chip, it could also mean some media streaming capabilities and other stuff is possible (and indeed adding features later).
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Post by jamrock on Aug 21, 2011 11:39:37 GMT -5
It does not mean it will be a good passthrough. Adding an info like menu OSD means it will interfere with sources, so there's a good chance they will be unnecessarily conversions between source and final output (TV). The best way to have a true passthrough is firstly not to have an OSD menu (I know it's impossible, but it would be great to have a way to disable completely this OSD). I believe that it was also stated by Lonnie or Big Dan that there would be the options of pass through with or without the OSD. Something for everybody.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 21, 2011 12:01:09 GMT -5
Perhaps similar to Onkyo/Integra pre/pros & receivers, with the OSD option to able it or disable it. And of course the Video pass through.
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Post by jamrock on Aug 21, 2011 12:27:46 GMT -5
This is setting up to be a tremendous piece. If this thing has no important bugs and reliable HDMI/HDCP connectivity, it is going to change the pre/pro landscape for audiophiles on a sheer performance basis. Let's hope it will be also as tweakable (configurable) or even moreso than the UMC-1. This would be heaven on earth!
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 21, 2011 12:40:33 GMT -5
It could very well be, but it will also cost at least $999. And for that price there are options in receivers used strictly as pre/pros. But without High-End sound though!
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Post by jamrock on Aug 21, 2011 13:00:24 GMT -5
And for that price there are options It could very well be, but it will also cost at least $999. in receivers used strictly as pre/pros. But without High-End sound though! It could very well be, but it will also cost at least $999. At $999.00 and applying my 40% discount = $600.00, I'm flying right my son. ;D And for that price there are options in receivers used strictly as pre/pros. But without High-End sound though Was this supposed to be a down side, Bob? Personally, I don't like today's Receivers as they are not tweakable. As you can glean, I'm a non-conformist. I like to do my own thing thank you!
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 14:20:25 GMT -5
It's no secret that I've been auditioning pre/pro's and even some high end receivers over the last 6 months or so and I have to say you're right Bob, there being lots of options and choices in this price range. You're also right in saying that these options don't have, what you call "high end" sound. There were only 3 pre/pro's that I listened to for home theater and music, that sounded better than the middle of the pack and only 1 within a reasonable price range, where the other 2 were not in the ballpark. I did audition an Integra DHC-80.2 and an Onkyo PR-SC5508 and neither were close to the 3 that I thought were above average when it came to music, but for movies very competitive. I want above average for both music & movies, but I'm not willing to spend what it takes to get an Anthem or Cary(especially with the problems the new Cary is having) or IMO settle for the non-musicality factor from Onkyo/Integra as well as the non-attention to quality control that I believe has caught up with them. The one pre/pro I didn't mention above is the Rotel RSP-1570 and while I like the minimalist approach it takes, it just didn't wow me in the price to what you walk out the door with factor. All of this boiled down to me remaining content for the time being with my UMC-1 and it's very good performance with movies and above average musicality, as well as it's great value for the $419.40 I paid for it. Oh yeah, if I had my druthers, the Anthem AVM50v would be my next processor but at approximately 3 1/2 times what I think the XMC-1 will cost, it's a no-brainer to remain content and wait on the XMC-1 (my wallet prefers this as well ;D). Anyhow I personally think this says a lot for the UMC-1 in my book.
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Post by kt10r on Aug 21, 2011 14:30:33 GMT -5
LC, what are you not getting from the umc that you want?
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 15:40:59 GMT -5
LC, what are you not getting from the umc that you want? Good question. It's not that I'm unsatisfied with the UMC-1, because I'm not. It's more of an upgradeitis thing. Just thinking about what an unknown XMC-1 will be is more than enough to wet my appetite. Actually having heard the Anthem AVM50v and playing around with the bass management, ARC(Anthem Room Correction: this has totally awesome results) and the music processing power it has, not to mention the Sigma Designs video processing as well as the true balanced inputs and true balanced outputs stages what's not to like. I know, I know, the Anthem is another league all-together, but I wanted to know just exactlly what I thought I could live without. I would like an "all-channel-stereo" mode like many other processors have for 2 channel sources whether it be for analog or 2 channel pcm. Dolby ProLogic IIx just doesn't do it for me. Improved bass management and I also would like to get rid of the clutter of HDMI and optical/coax cables behind my setup so having a true hardware HDMI bypass will allow for video switching that I can use. This I know will be on the XMC-1, especially since the UMC-1 upgrade will.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 21, 2011 15:56:54 GMT -5
From reliable sources, no Anthem pre/pro is Truly fully Balanced! Even the Anthem Statement D2/ARC! The XLR connections do have the three pins with the neutral one, but the internal circuitry ain't Truly Balanced. Still you gain some advantage, but very few SSP are Truly Balanced. => www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14205824&postcount=14657* And it has been confirmed other times from other places. Kal Rubinson knows about it also. But Kal couldn't care less. And even Bob Pariseau, the man himself behind Anthem, didn't unconfirm that fact! Hey, just what I know from my readings!
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 16:33:51 GMT -5
From reliable sources, no Anthem pre/pro is Truly fully Balanced! Even the Anthem Statement D2/ARC! The XLR connections do have the three pins with the neutral one, but the internal circuitry ain't Truly Balanced. Still you gain some advantage, but very few SSP are Truly Balanced. => www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14205824&postcount=14657* And it has been confirmed other times from other places. Kal Rubinson knows about it also. But Kal couldn't care less. And even Bob Pariseau, the man himself behind Anthem, didn't unconfirm that fact! Hey, just what I know from my readings! Confirmed or unconfirmed, having auditioned the Anthem in the same showroom as the Cary and Integra, it was still heads and tales above either in all aspects that matter to me. What most seem to agree about when it comes to home theater, whether it's any of the Lounge members or Kal & Bob, over on AVS, is the experience I have with any particular piece of electronics isn't necessarily the same experience that Kal or Bob will have. I know, subjective right? but my experience still tells me the problems with the new Cary Cinema 12 and the staleness or lack of 2 channel detail of the Integra DHC-80.2 (quality control issues aside) tell me these aren't for me. Again these are just my experiences and yours and everyone elses mileage will most certainly differ, by how much is to be determined by the end user. Hopefully the XMC-1 will subjectively make me forget all the other processors out there.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 16:37:05 GMT -5
From reliable sources, no Anthem pre/pro is Truly fully Balanced! Even the Anthem Statement D2/ARC! The XLR connections do have the three pins with the neutral one, but the internal circuitry ain't Truly Balanced. Still you gain some advantage, but very few SSP are Truly Balanced. => www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14205824&postcount=14657* And it has been confirmed other times from other places. Kal Rubinson knows about it also. But Kal couldn't care less. And even Bob Pariseau, the man himself behind Anthem, didn't unconfirm that fact! Hey, just what I know from my readings! I guess these quotes from the Anthem website are misleading to a audio enthusiast like myself. "True-Balanced 2-channel analog input for best analog signal." "True-Balanced analog outputs provide best noise rejection and purest signal transmission."
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 16:38:51 GMT -5
To all Lounge members posting or reading this thread, I apologize for side-tracking from the OP's original subject. Now back to the subject at hand.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 21, 2011 16:51:25 GMT -5
Is 3D truly balanced?
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