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Post by dougc on Oct 14, 2013 20:06:56 GMT -5
So I bet mounting all your speakers at the same height made a huge difference! I am jelouse, I used to have all mine the same height. It sounded awesome, but then I had to raise my rear speakers substancially. One of them was right next to my front door. Ok so it was at face level, what's the prob.? Anyway I had to mount them hugging the ceiling, and angled downwards. As long as your standing their great. But when you sit to watch a movie, not as good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 18:01:23 GMT -5
The processor is $200 discount on Emotiva atm in case thats low enough for you to jump the purchase button.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 18:10:39 GMT -5
It sounds great! The center imaging and fronts really fell together as a fluid movement and sort of hid the center into the mesh of the fronts rather than sounding like a separate speaker (sort of like a one note wonder effect). The rears were like a foot and a half lower after the adjustment, but I got more blocks and squared that away and it sounds major fluid in Battlefield 4 the game for PC. I would let tanks go by and hear gunshots, and purposely do a 360 turn around to hear the movement of audio panning. I can hear a small difference in the speakers from the front to rear, as the center and fronts sound matched (they are), and the Infinity's in the rear sound a little bit more mellow and less detailed. . Sold my extra pair of Infinities today for $100 with the stands, hoping to get a SHURE SM57 microphone, pop filter, stand, and cable to my audio card to start recording for music with my friend! Aiming for income with that as a future.
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Post by dougc on Oct 16, 2013 20:47:39 GMT -5
The processor is $200 discount on Emotiva atm in case thats low enough for you to jump the purchase button. As much as I would love to buy one right now, especially ay $200 off. It is not an option. I have to wait till tax time, that's the only extra money I get. Other wise, it's living from paycheck to paycheck, and that doesn't even cut it. Tax time is even debatable, I found out today my contract at work is up Jan 6 and not sure wether their going to renew it. Who knows I may be on the Unenjoyment line at that time.
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Post by dougc on Oct 16, 2013 21:12:07 GMT -5
It sounds great! The center imaging and fronts really fell together as a fluid movement and sort of hid the center into the mesh of the fronts rather than sounding like a separate speaker (sort of like a one note wonder effect). The rears were like a foot and a half lower after the adjustment, but I got more blocks and squared that away and it sounds major fluid in Battlefield 4 the game for PC. I would let tanks go by and hear gunshots, and purposely do a 360 turn around to hear the movement of audio panning. I can hear a small difference in the speakers from the front to rear, as the center and fronts sound matched (they are), and the Infinity's in the rear sound a little bit more mellow and less detailed. . Sold my extra pair of Infinities today for $100 with the stands, hoping to get a SHURE SM57 microphone, pop filter, stand, and cable to my audio card to start recording for music with my friend! Aiming for income with that as a future. That's great that your hard work with the speakers paid off. It actually inspired me to try redoing my living room, unfortunately with the shape of it (13 x 25) I'm kinda stuck. I'm still beating my head against the wall though, and hoping to come up with a solution. I told my wife we needed a new house, but she didn't agree. As far as your recording, I hope that works out for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 15:01:39 GMT -5
22'x17' is what I am basically working with. Front to back is the longer distance. 14' left to right, 11' front to back is what my speakers are using up. I tried to get all of the speakers equal distance from where I sit, center is closer as it naturally ends up in home setups. My only real issue in here for keeping stuff in same height, is the darn TV as you can imagine. I have a 46" xbr929. Next TV will be a plasma if 4k tech hits them, I am not sure if it has yet or if there are limitations to the tech. Anything more than 46" is going to throw the center up and I am not going to be the same height, what a painful situation to think about. I sit about 4 ft from the TV but still want it bigger, considering the price for plasma's (wish I would have gotten one last time) haha. I need to really look online to see how bad burn ins are these days on plasma, as I am a huge gamer, and it would be for computer use. Thank you about the recording direction in my life. I hope you get renewed at work, the darn economy is just a sad panda ordeal and it won't get better, this generation of IQ is garbage for the majority :S.
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Post by dougc on Oct 19, 2013 12:03:32 GMT -5
Your absolutely correct, the economy does suck. They say it's getting better, huh I don't see it. Especially if this Obama care goes through. The economy will really go to hell. There are millions of people who can barely afford to pay their rent or mortgage, and now their required to buy insurance by law. B... S..t I will save my house before I buy insurance. Bottom line I cant afford both. And as far as the IQ level today, right-O again. You don't have to tell me, I have 5 kids at home, 3 over 21. They are suppose to support me someday? Hell they cant even take care of themselves. No jobs, motivation, skills, desire, nothing. On a positive note I believe Plasma TV's are substancialy better than they use to be about burn in. I can't say for certain though, I have a LG 55" led LCD tv.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 21:09:10 GMT -5
People that do go to work, end up paying for people who do not have coverage when people show up on emergency and leave it in the hospitals hands. Prices for healthcare should be lower under it. It is all great until somebody gets hurt or needs ER and they have no coverage and it costs somebody else money and they care less. That is where it comes into play a bit. Either way, the healthcare system is very very detailed, part of the family has been in that business for longer than I have been alive, and have to get on current generation "professionals" because they make mistakes and mess up left and right. It's very off topic if we end up changing it to that topic, but on the topic of economy, it is bad. I have no idea if it is truly better or worse, but a ton of part time jobs is not going to help. USA is becoming a china of production leaving the working man dry, so it is up to the working man to figure a solution, as they are underpowered in the corp world. I have been denied numerous jobs and lied to about having a job and worked then been let go due to my young adult mistakes on my record, not even felonies. It is very hard to get a job even if I had no disabilities. Plasma, I have read that as well, the new ones being much better than priors, I have only had one friend ever own one, but it was one of those problematic ones back in 2005, a totally different gen of tv's. I really want a plasma later on, but am more than happy with this TV, it is probably one of the best LED backlit LCD tv's, with backlight sections rather than edge lit. Plasma can light a single pixel up, while lcd has to be lit from behind so you get light bleeding on blacks. :S
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Post by dougc on Oct 21, 2013 19:53:51 GMT -5
While what you are saying about the edge lit LCD's, is absolutely correct. As far as the back lit ones, not entirely. They are catching up to plasmas real fast. They are starting to get it down to a science. Some of the top rated TV's in the last few months have been LCD's. On a different note. A couple of yrs ago, right after we bought our LG lcd tv my wife and I got into a dispute. Anyway she threw a water bottle at me and missed. Yea it shattered the bottom left corner of our tv. $2200.00 to get it replaced. NO warrenty , Anyway it only affected the bottom corner, today the tv is still working just fine. Minus about a 6"x6" square, which we have a piece of black construction paper over. The stupid moral to this story is. While the LCD lived, a plasma would have died.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 20:22:53 GMT -5
Oh dang! Yeah the TV's are so darn expensive nowadays. You might be a good example for the spokespeople for the decision in using gorilla glass on the TV set model that I own. . I have the Sony 46" hx929, it was the flagship model, and I had a flagship before that, the 40" xbr9. The comparison between the two sets was shocking, with this newer one being much better. This one has zones of LED backlighting instead of edge lit, while the older model had ccfl backlighting. The blacks are effing amazing on this set. I just copied generalised calibration from a website, might have been soundandvision, anywho, it looks like a new tv again, wow. I did read that the model I have is one of the best a place has ever tested for its tech and compared it to a Plasma as you mentioned. I am in no hurry to get a new tv until 4k is out and at a decent price or if this TV goes out. Plasma is usually a faster response tech than with lcd, while CRT monitors have 0 ms delay apparently. Paying for trickledown technology is a huge money saver. Let the latest and greatest come out, wait a year and it might be implemented in the medium range models and pay 30% less perhaps. I should be receiving my Shure SM58 microphone and tripod tomorrow. I received a dual pop filter and the cables earlier today. Hope you are feeling better.
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Post by dougc on Oct 21, 2013 20:51:37 GMT -5
That's great to hear about your mic and stuff, hopefully it will all work out. Yea I feel great, off work and a few beers down. Whats not to be great about that. As far as me being sick, it's almost all gone. Eccept for my ears are totally plugged up, and I cant hear a damn thing. The good thing is, I cant hear how crappy my Yamaha makes my UPA 700 sound. The bad thing is I cant hear the damn TV.
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Post by dougc on Nov 5, 2013 20:55:37 GMT -5
Tyler how goes the battle? My oldest son, his girlfriend and our toddler grand daughter finally moved out. So now I can finally get back to my stereo/ HT system !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 3:38:03 GMT -5
Great to hear for your ears at least . That sounds like a time to make some rearrangements of audible pleasure. Still going to go after the 200 processor? I am doing well, I sold some stuff lying around from childhood and got that side pair of Infinity's sold, so I have the rears for a 5.1 layout.
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Post by dougc on Nov 6, 2013 23:09:36 GMT -5
Yea as of right now I still plan on going with the umc 200. It all depends on finances though. After all if I cant afford the 200, well then I guess I'm stuck with the Yammy. Yea as far as finances go, I understand completely. I am so f'd ,it's not even funny. But I try to keep on the positive side, other wise it eats me up. So on that note, how about them OSU Beavers ?? Or even Dallas Cowboys? In other words keep your chin up, because it will all work out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 3:45:17 GMT -5
Right on with the UMC-200, I'd love to hear your thoughts after you try it if you do. Sports, meh, only thing I really lightly follow, and I mean lightly, is MMA, but technically I have only kept up with Ronda Rousey and that's pretty much it haha. I am sort of an odd duck, I am not a drinker nor a football dude haha. I am more of a wow did you hear how that sounded out of my speakers, and gaming/tech nerd. My favorite things are music, gaming, lifting weights, and very deep intellectual conversation. Starting to sound like a personals ad, oh my haha. I think I finally bumped my graphic eq knobs but not sure if I moved them. I am not sure if digital eq systems add thier own gain stage so i stayed away from them and from the extra digital loop. meh...not a perfect world
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Post by dougc on Nov 10, 2013 14:25:33 GMT -5
Yea I'm surprised they haven't came out with a better equalizer for todays world. Emotiva, you might wanna listen in and contiplate this. Anyway, a digital or analog eq. 15 to 30 band with the capabilities of plugging 7 ch into it. Oh there's more. You can use this to control all 7ch's at once or each ch. individually. A 3rd option would even be to break it up front ch's, center, surrounds, back. The only reason I said digital is for the buttons and screen. That way there are no sliders or knobs to get bumped or turned. Everything is on a screen with a safty lock. That's my 2 cents worth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 22:19:05 GMT -5
A digital form of a graphic eq probably would have saved me much time on the knobs dialing it in. The issue with digital eq, is well, you hit the digital form of audio again. It would need to be part of the audio processor gain stage, because for me I had that Denon AVR and it was a POS enough to sell it compared to my audio card since its my almost exclusively my only source of audio/video. My audio card as you know, has a great gain stage, so if I add a digital eq, I get it chopped into digital form which could even be over clipping point (analog handles better for that), then after digital it would have to be amped back into a voltage signal, so my gain stage is only as good as getting an accurate signal, then i rely on the gain stage from a digital eq to be good...its a crapshoot if its anything like my Denon experience, or maybe i had something faulty, who knows. I wanted to never be tied to a sampling rate in the digital realm so i stuck with analog graphic eq to not hit a stopping and filtering point, but to just dink the signal as it keeps flowing without re gainstaging the mess too bad. There is some sort of gain stage in my eq because there is the option of adding gain. If i was to run a digital cable to the unit then it wouldnt work with my pc, itd have to be analog into an eq or a 7.1 hdmi scenario. Knobs...suck :S, as I have the eq so finely tuned in. If a kid gets around, im ultimately scared. The correct device to use is preference and maybe moreso how it integrates with what you have and use already. I have feedback from my pc or something into my EQ, so i have -12db on the eq knob input, and then a 7-10db gain on the output of my audio card, sucks but it 90% hides that darn buzz that i cannot eliminate. the eq itself leaves a cloud sound 24-7 its sort of like playing vinyl and having a fuzz, but its a white noise and not annoying. its totally worth it for the quality of improvement being so dramatic and more accurate. For quiet recordings i just punch the FR/FL EQ to 0db input and let the buzz lightly go through, and no gain on my audio card...cleans up the highs (10-12dB less audio card gain while no gain on EQ). Hoping to eventually try swapping an op-amp in my audio card for the FL/FR to see if it really cleans up frequencies like they claim (lows and highs mostly). $60 bucks win or lose.
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Post by dougc on Nov 11, 2013 21:43:01 GMT -5
The Eq I'm talking about would be similar to the DVD players with a capabilities of either digital audio input or 5-7ch anolog input. But 1 set of sliders on screen with the option of all at once. Or fr/c/ surrounds. Or each individually.
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Post by dougc on Nov 13, 2013 22:18:47 GMT -5
Tyler as far as your humming problem you got going on. #1 Do your eq's have a 3 prong plug (with a ground)? If so try taking a 2 prong adapter w/out the ground and see if your hum goes away. If not try bypass on the Eq's and see if it goes away, that should tell you if it's your sound card/ Dac or your Eq's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 11:56:53 GMT -5
The best implementation would be having the EQ done on whichever device is using the gain stage. If you ran rca out from a dvd player into your yamaha, then the gain stage is mostly from the dvd player. It would not be good if it then hit a digital checkpoint and eq applied there and then hitting preamp a second time, then to the power amp section. Its a goofy situation because I have only my computer into my equipment without any avr. for EQ I had to either do it on an audio card, or get a outboard DAC unit, which wont work how I want for gaming on my computer. I went with a universal choice even if it is not the highest quality I could get. Ended up with needing EQ on actual standalone units. Hmm, I spent hours tinkering with placement and checking overlapping wires in the past for the humm when I added the EQ devices. I know that I only hear it when the pc is on, and both are on different circuits, it was even worse on the same circuit. I cannot remember if it was 2 or 3 pronged. I just looked at a pic of the back of the unit and the device itself has three prongs, as well as the computer. I could try adapting it without a ground however, I have no idea what that will do to my power amp sections either. I don't understand electricity in that form :S. I also have some sort of EMI from the computer that I am masking as well as the hum, so if I got rid of ground loop hum, I would still have that EMI noise, which is mostly caused by my overclocked processor in my computer, and video cards, leaked interference into power sections of the motherboard which is just the nature of it. Around xmas I might be getting a pair of "OPA827" OP-AMPS (basically the preamp section on the audio card as I understand), to plug and play onto my left and right front channels. Will try that out and EQ again if needed, and let you know how that goes for me . First time.
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