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Post by Jim on Dec 17, 2014 22:11:41 GMT -5
Well, spread the word. If there is enough interest, we will build it. Lonnie You should totally build one for Emofest 2015 (assuming there will be one).
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Post by danr on Dec 17, 2014 22:13:36 GMT -5
Lonnie,
Running your XPRs right now. XPR-1 is still the hands down best Emo has done. While I can understand you wanting to make a "statement" piece, and maybe you still SHOULD, I would go in a different direction (and maybe it's a part of the XPR series)...
I would personally like to see a 1kW mono block (full Class A if you can) in one VERTICAL and elegant looking design that I can stand right next to my Revel F208s. Think Levinson No. 53 or Theta Citadel 1.5. Use the same XPR parts (front plate, blue lights but lights vertical up one side of the amp). Keep it simple and elegant. What's an XPR-1 cost these days? $1799 list (prior to Holiday Sale)? $5k/pr for these, and you got my business. I'll sell my XPR-2, and put the new XPR "Signature" on my main left & right. Move two of the XPR-1 to power my rear pair of F208s. Keep aesthetics the same as the current XPRs.
Nothing "new", just a bit of a twist on the current XPRs. And no, I don't want you or Big Dan to sign it. It's not YOUR guys' style or mine.
Dan
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Post by seppo on Dec 17, 2014 22:14:48 GMT -5
I guess the real question is, would you guys be willing to pay 3K for a mono-block? Lonnie For the rough 'dream' specs you just described, $3k sounds perfectly reasonable. And you are already selling a mono-block for $1.7k, so $3k is not that much more for a true halo product.
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Post by bootman on Dec 17, 2014 22:19:30 GMT -5
I guess the real question is, would you guys be willing to pay 3K for a mono-block? Lonnie For the rough 'dream' specs you just described, $3k sounds perfectly reasonable. And you are already selling a mono-block for $1.7k, so $3k is not that much more for a true halo product. 3k sounds dirt cheap. Just look at these. Boulder 3050 - $205K for the pair. www.audioholics.com/frequent-questions/best-amplifiers-worldYeah they are 1.5kW of class A but you could save some money on heating bills.
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Post by moonwolf on Dec 17, 2014 22:20:47 GMT -5
Well, spread the word. If there is enough interest, we will build it. Lonnie Way to go!!!! I'm starting to save $10 a day from today! I'm serious.
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Post by chipless on Dec 17, 2014 22:23:47 GMT -5
Thanks for providing some links for comparison! Sadly, I don't have the room for three XPA-1s, so it would have to be the XPA-1Ls if I went with something from Emotiva. I'll read through the bench tests carefully and see what I can glean from them regardless. Obviously, I will gladly take any other input in the meantime! I heard that as well. I wasn't using price as a gauge of quality by any means. I was just asking if anyone had strong feelings that the ATI is a better amp, and if so, if it would be worth $3,350 over the cost of the Emotiva. Based on Lonnie's response, now might be a good time to join the Emo club for the potential to trade in for a dual-chassis amp someday Anyway, any one please feel free to chime in if you have any further thoughts.
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Post by danr on Dec 17, 2014 22:29:41 GMT -5
Well, spread the word. If there is enough interest, we will build it. Lonnie Just make sure you take deposits from all of these "interested" people prior to when you start building it. Money talks, and BS walks as they say.
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Post by vcautokid on Dec 17, 2014 22:42:12 GMT -5
I liked the St. Jude XPA-1 donation special a few years back. How about a commemorative edition instead for a great cause, and great sound instead. Just saying.
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Post by vcautokid on Dec 17, 2014 22:44:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah you have to pay more to help the cause, but you get a unique serial number sequence, Laser etched script. Tuning tighter than the already great specs.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 17, 2014 22:48:59 GMT -5
Ok folks, I've just read this thread!
We are already at a great level of amp!
Lonnie! Can you or anyone else really hear a difference in music at any price point above the XPR-1s??
Really? Build an amp that just screams,,,,,,,GIVE ME YOUR MONEY,!!
I'm sceptical about there being an amp that Needs/wants and could possible be better sounding!,,,,at what price!?!?!?
Am I just that dumb?? ,,,,,,don't answer that question,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, But I came to Emotiva for great gear at a GREAT price!! If Y'all want to build something and charge whatever,,,,,,that's your business, and if they sell, all the better!!, I guess I'm really saying that I am just so dang happy with my XPR-1s,,,,,,,no harm in that ya know!
God Bless, Nick
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Post by novisnick on Dec 17, 2014 23:13:34 GMT -5
If I were to build what I would consider my ultimate expression of an amp it would be a dual chassis unit. One chassis for the power supply, the other for the amplifiers themselves. The power supply would be so over built that it would be impossible to suck it dry. The audio stages would have quad differential fully balanced input stages with cross linked current sources. Dual Darlington VAS stages, auto biasing and variable Class A drive. The main outputs stages would also be so overbuilt that the damping factor would be some ridiculous, no, lets make that ludicrously high level. Oh and I would add Analog Meters on it. Now that would be a statement piece, but I would let the amp speak for itself, it doesn't need my signature on it. I have signed a few pieces over the years because people have asked me to and I'm very flattered, but I personally don't feel it adds any value to the gear. Lonnie Well, since $6 to $10 K is beyond me and my purse, how about putting theAnalog Meters on the XPR-1s and call it a day!! That would do it for me.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 17, 2014 23:23:07 GMT -5
dang lonnie that sounds insanely good!!! I think you may have a surprising amount of interest for a 3k dual chassis massive monoblock. You'll be jumping into a higher end market who are willing to pay 6k for stereo amps but..... at that price you attract their attention and I'm sure you'll have tons of bites! Some people won't even look at statement amps that cost less even if they are better. So I say it's a good idea!
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Post by Lsc on Dec 17, 2014 23:27:26 GMT -5
It's prolly not good to overreach. What's the sales volume on the XPR? We don't hear much about the XPR...instead the topic is usually around, "all amps sound the same" by the XPA and UPA owners.
The amps you are talking about cater to a pretty high income bracket with a lot of disposable income to drop $6k on amps. And they need to pair them with high-end speakers that cost at least that.
Nevertheless, it does sound pretty cool, even though I couldn't afford them. I'm good with my XPR-5...the XPR-1s sound great but even those would be a stretch. Unlike danr above who looks like he has 3 of them! Sweet!
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Post by novisnick on Dec 17, 2014 23:35:29 GMT -5
dang lonnie that sounds insanely good!!! I think you may have a surprising amount of interest for a 3k dual chassis massive monoblock. You'll be jumping into a higher end market who are willing to pay 6k for stereo amps but..... at that price you attract their attention and I'm sure you'll have tons of bites! Some people won't even look at statement amps that cost less even if they are better. So I say it's a good idea! Good point garbulky, I just think that it would push most of the forum members out of reach of that market! that said, there's no reason not to do it. it may be a great signature product but I do believe there is a larger market at the price point Emotiva is hitting now. Tube anything! Entry level amp/amps, perhaps a pre amp.
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Post by bootman on Dec 17, 2014 23:35:58 GMT -5
It's prolly not good to overreach. What's the sales volume on the XPR? We don't hear much about the XPR...instead the topic is usually around, "all amps sound the same" by the XPA and UPA owners. Well they do sound the same! .....is everyone gone? Well that will really depend on what you are trying to drive. Not all speakers are the same load even though they may share the same impedance spec.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 17, 2014 23:46:56 GMT -5
It's prolly not good to overreach. What's the sales volume on the XPR? We don't hear much about the XPR...instead the topic is usually around, "all amps sound the same" by the XPA and UPA owners. The amps you are talking about cater to a pretty high income bracket with a lot of disposable income to drop $6k on amps. And they need to pair them with high-end speakers that cost at least that. Nevertheless, it does sound pretty cool, even though I couldn't afford them. I'm good with my XPR-5...the XPR-1s sound great but even those would be a stretch. Unlike danr above who looks like he has 3 of them! Sweet! Well said, and if more people would try the XPR-1s they would find that not only do they NOT sound like all the other amps but there would be more of them sold. Are they cheap.?? Not by any stretch of the word,,,,unless the word is " Value " Are they a signature amp??? YOU BET CHYA!!!!! Is there sacrifice to own a set??? Dam right there is!!!!! Are they worth our hard earned dollars? ? YOU BET CHYA!!!! Just my $20.00 dollars worth ( .02 cents adjusted for R series amps ) ,,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,
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Post by novisnick on Dec 17, 2014 23:48:14 GMT -5
It's prolly not good to overreach. What's the sales volume on the XPR? We don't hear much about the XPR...instead the topic is usually around, "all amps sound the same" by the XPA and UPA owners. Well they do sound the same! .....is everyone gone? Well that will really depend on what you are trying to drive. Not all speakers are the same load even though they may share the same impedance spec. NOT!
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Post by Dark Ranger on Dec 18, 2014 1:27:11 GMT -5
If I were to build what I would consider my ultimate expression of an amp it would be a dual chassis unit. One chassis for the power supply, the other for the amplifiers themselves. The power supply would be so over built that it would be impossible to suck it dry. The audio stages would have quad differential fully balanced input stages with cross linked current sources. Dual Darlington VAS stages, auto biasing and variable Class A drive. The main outputs stages would also be so overbuilt that the damping factor would be some ridiculous, no, lets make that ludicrously high level. Oh and I would add Analog Meters on it. Now that would be a statement piece, but I would let the amp speak for itself, it doesn't need my signature on it. I have signed a few pieces over the years because people have asked me to and I'm very flattered, but I personally don't feel it adds any value to the gear. Lonnie Thanks Lonnie, now my pants feel much tighter than they were a minute ago. I think I'll need to stay seated for a bit.
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Post by moko on Dec 18, 2014 1:56:28 GMT -5
from market point of view, i think tube gears will have better interest. there's still a big gap there between real people who want to try tube and deep pocketed audiophiles. and this is coming from one who is not into tube gears.
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Post by bootman on Dec 18, 2014 7:24:18 GMT -5
Well they do sound the same! .....is everyone gone? Well that will really depend on what you are trying to drive. Not all speakers are the same load even though they may share the same impedance spec. NOT!So all speakers rated at 8 ohms do so equally across the entire audio band? No difference in inductive or capacitive load? Might be true for those more affordable brands, but others, are you really sure? I'm lucky and unless we are talking headphone amps I have a very hard time telling power amps apart, but from a speaker load point of view I can't deny that some amps will drive these PITA loads better than others. But admittedly this is a whole other topic we can hammer on to death. I truly do see both sides.
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