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Post by Mike Ronesia on Aug 13, 2014 23:42:31 GMT -5
OSD moved for scope zoomers! This is a good sign that a minor feature request like that got addressed so quickly. Call me impressed! I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't end up more than a inch or so higher on my screen. I personally wish the UMC-1 OSD was lower. Our internet buffers, and even if it's for a second I have to have it on my screen for what seems like 10-20 more seconds. I'd rather not have to turn off a feature I like because it's now more annoying just to please a few. Nothing personal, we're just both looking out for ourselves.
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Post by glennr01 on Aug 14, 2014 8:44:29 GMT -5
I enacted the Rev. 1.1 firmware update according to instructions. All went very well with the following caveat: while the instructions say that settings back-ups are not necessary, I did in fact lose my custom input labels (i.e., instead of leaving the default HDMI label for input one, I instead changed that to CABLE) - when the XMC-1 rebooted after the firmware update, the renamed inputs returned to their default naming status. While this is hardly a big deal, I did want to alert other users that it might still be a good idea to back up their custom settings just in case.
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Post by SticknStones on Aug 14, 2014 9:13:43 GMT -5
I enacted the Rev. 1.1 firmware update according to instructions. All went very well with the following caveat: while the instructions say that settings back-ups are not necessary, I did in fact lose my custom input labels (i.e., instead of leaving the default HDMI label for input one, I instead changed that to CABLE) - when the XMC-1 rebooted after the firmware update, the renamed inputs returned to their default naming status. While this is hardly a big deal, I did want to alert other users that it might still be a good idea to back up their custom settings just in case. That's interesting as I have my inputs relabled DirecTV, ERC-1, XDA-2, Gogl Cast, Blu Ray. What about all the trigger work that you did or that I have done did or would you lose that without the backup? That was a time investment to go check all the boxes. Let me know as I have not done the upgrade and I do not know what all is backed up labels, assignments etc. ?
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Post by bootman on Aug 14, 2014 9:19:35 GMT -5
Maybe the instructions should include that back up step to the flash drive so that all settings are saved regardless. We can't assume every XMC user will think of that beforehand.
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Post by geebo on Aug 14, 2014 9:24:06 GMT -5
That's interesting as I have my inputs relabled DirecTV, ERC-1, XDA-2, Gogl Cast, Blu Ray. What about all the trigger work that you did or that I have done did or would you lose that without the backup? That was a time investment to go check all the boxes. Let me know as I have not done the upgrade and I do not know what all is backed up labels, assignments etc. ? My custom input names did not change. And my triggers work as they did prior to the update. I backed up my settings before the update but did not have to use it.
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Post by SticknStones on Aug 14, 2014 9:46:12 GMT -5
Maybe the instructions should include that back up step to the flash drive so that all settings are saved regardless. We can't assume every XMC user will think of that beforehand. I spoke with Keith he is checking with engineering on the labels. He did say that there is enough internal storage to save one backup local and anymore than one would need to go to the thumb-drive, usb-stick. You can also back up and restore only from USB so there is flexibility.
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Post by SticknStones on Aug 14, 2014 9:47:17 GMT -5
My custom input names did not change. And my triggers work as they did prior to the update. I backed up my settings before the update but did not have to use it. Thanks George.
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Post by jimbailey on Aug 14, 2014 10:11:03 GMT -5
Thank you, thank you, Emo for making this process so easy—especially for Mac users! No more borrowing a legacy PC, endless tries, etc., as per the UMC-1! I was wondering if the new "key combination," turn-on volume changes (I was hoping for a separate turn-on volume for zone 2,) changes to the trigger logic, etc., are documented somewhere? Forgive me if I missed them... P.S., All my settings were preserved as far as I can tell. Did do a backup first to the USB drive. Worked perfectly.
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Post by sauron99 on Aug 14, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
My custom input names did not change. And my triggers work as they did prior to the update. I backed up my settings before the update but did not have to use it. Mine did not change either and I did NOT make a backup first. Probably should have but then I haven't adjusted a lot of settings - waiting for the Dirac update. RG.
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Post by merlinwerks on Aug 14, 2014 11:06:03 GMT -5
...(I was hoping for a separate turn-on volume for zone 2,)... I was hoping for the same thing as well. Although I haven't confirmed it with any repeatability, I know there have been a couple of times when I have turned on Zone 2 and it was inexplicably at full volume.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 14, 2014 11:50:14 GMT -5
No problems at all with any of my settings, including the Input Names. I always check the P-EQ settings for my subwoofers when doing an update, but since the XMC-1 has a Backup Configuraton feature, I've taken advantage for a "just in-case situation".
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Post by KeithL on Aug 14, 2014 13:59:12 GMT -5
This was the first report we've received of lost Input Names (and, so far, the only one); we're looking into it, but we haven't been able to replicate it so far. However, backing up your settings certainly wouldn't hurt... just in case. The Trigger SETTINGS (which boxes you have checked) will remain when you do the update. However, we've changed the trigger logic, so your settings MAY produce slightly different results (but they're more likely to be what you expect ). We think the new trigger logic is a clear improvement, and we're quite sure you will too. A detailed explanation of how the triggers work now is included below.
Configuring Triggers (AFTER THE v1.1 FIRMWARE UPDATE)The XMC-1 has four fully independent triggers, each one of which may be configured to activate an associated piece of trigger-enabled equipment when specific conditions are met. For example, you could use the triggers to activate the amplifiers that power your main front speakers whenever you play music, and the amplifier that powers your surrounds, and your powered subwoofer, only when you’re listening to a surround sound source. The triggers on the XMC-1 are configured by checking various boxes in the Setup Triggers Menu. First, each trigger must be configured to be active when the Main Zone, Zone 2, or both zones are On. The trigger will only be active when one or more of the zones it is associated with are active. Next, each trigger must be configured be associated with one or more Inputs. The trigger will only be active when one or more of the Inputs it is associated with are active. For triggers associated with Zone 2, the trigger will be active whenever Zone 2 is On AND one of the Inputs associated with that trigger is selected. For triggers associated with the Main Zone, there is an additional condition that must be met. For the Main Zone, each trigger must also be associated with one or more Speaker groups. The trigger will be active whenever the Main Zone is On, AND one or more of the Inputs associated with that trigger is active, AND one or more of the Speaker groups associated with that trigger is active. Note: The triggers respond based on how the XMC-1 is configured; the XMC-1 does not detect the presence or absence of an active audio signal on specific channels. Note: The option to configure associated Speaker groups only pertains to the Main Zone. Therefore, if you only have Zone 2 checked for a particular trigger, the Speakers column will not be displayed. However, if you have both Zone 2 and the Main Zone checked for that trigger, the Speakers column will be displayed; but please remember that the settings in that column ONLY pertain to the Main Zone and don’t affect the status of Zone 2 triggering. Note: All of the XMC-1’s trigger logic is based on how the XMC-1 is currently configured. Whether your XMC-1 will send audio to the Surrounds will depend on which Input you have selected, the Mode you have configured that Input to use, the configuration of the Preset you have associated with that Input - including whether Surrounds are set to None in that Preset, and the source signal itself. If all these conditions are met, such that the XMC-1 is delivering audio content to the Surrounds, then any triggers associated with Surrounds will be active if their other requirements have also been met. By default, the four triggers on the XMC-1 are configured as follows: Trigger 1: Main Zone (only), ALL Inputs, ALL Speakers Trigger 2: Zone 2 (only), ALL Inputs Trigger 3: Main Zone AND Zone 2, ALL Inputs, ALL Speakers Trigger 4: Main Zone AND Zone 2, ALL Inputs, ALL Speakers Note: In many situations, there are multiple ways of configuring the triggers on the XMC-1 to produce a certain result. Also, once a sufficient combination of conditions is met to cause a given trigger to be active, additional redundant conditions will be ignored. For example, if you configure a trigger to be active when a certain input and Surrounds are active, it will be active when that input and a surround sound mode are selected. Configuring that same trigger to also be active when that same input and Fronts are active would be redundant - because the Fronts are always active when the Surrounds are active - but the extra condition won’t affect the end result. Headphone Since triggers are most often used to switch amplifiers On and Off, the triggers on the XMC-1 are normally configured to be disabled when a pair of headphones is plugged into the front panel headphone jack. If you uncheck the Headphone Override box for a particular trigger, this override will be disabled. Note: The Headphone Override option is useful if you are using one of the XMC-1’s triggers to activate your monitor, and you sometimes watch TV wearing headphones; if you uncheck the Headphone Override for that trigger, that trigger will remain active (assuming the other configured conditions are met), even when headphones are plugged in. Note: The XMC-1 detects when headphones are connected by sensing a plug physically inserted into the front panel Headphone jack. If you leave a headphone extension - with no headphones attached - plugged into the jack, the XMC-1 will act as if headphones are connected. Also note that, if you use a separate headphone amplifier connected to one of the XMC-1’s outputs, the XMC-1 will be unaware that you’re using headphones. As an example, let’s assume you have a stereo amplifier which you use to power your Front Left and Front Right speakers, and a five-channel amplifier that you use to power your Surrounds, Backs, and Center speakers. You want both amplifiers to be On when you listen to surround sound movies, but only the Fronts and your stereo amp to be on when you listen to stereo CDs. For this example, we’ll assume that you only use the Main Zone. One way to achieve this result would be to connect your two channel amplifier to Trigger 1, and your five-channel amp to Trigger 3. You would configure Trigger 1 to be activated ONLY by the Main Zone, but leave all the Input boxes checked, and leave all the Speaker boxes checked. This would configure your two-channel amp to be On whenever the Main Zone was on. You would then configure Trigger 3 to be activated ONLY by the Main Zone, leave all the Input boxes checked, but uncheck all Speaker association boxes EXCEPT the box for Surrounds. This would configure your five-channel amp to be On whenever the Main Zone is On and any Input is selected, but ONLY if you have a mode that uses surround sound selected. Your Surrounds will be Off if you’re using Reference Stereo or Direct Mode, but On if you use Dolby TrueHD of PLIIx.
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Post by jimbailey on Aug 14, 2014 14:17:40 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks, Keith!
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Post by KeithL on Aug 14, 2014 14:56:18 GMT -5
Saving and Restoring Configurations.....For those of you who want to save your configuration, for whatever reason, here's how it works.... The XMC-1 has internal storage space for one configuration. You can also store a single configuration in the main folder on whatever USB thumb drive you like. When you select Backup Configuration from the menu: * If there is a USB thumb drive plugged in, then your configuration will be saved to it * If there is NO USB thumb drive plugged in, then your configuration will be saved to the XMC-1's internal storage When you select Restore Configuration from the menu: * If there is a USB thumb drive plugged in, then your configuration will be restored from it * If there is NO USB thumb drive plugged in, then your configuration will be restored from the XMC-1's internal storage This basically gives you two storage locations (and you can, for example, leave one configuration stored on the XMC-1, and store a different one on a USB stick.... or plug in the stick to restore THAT configuration, or unplug it to instead restore the configuration stored on your XMC-1). Of course, you can use multiple USB sticks and store a different configuration on each. (Because of how the XMC-1 recognizes files, we recommend that you NOT try to store multiple firmware files or configuration files on the same USB stick, although it's perfectly acceptable to store an update file and a configuration file on the same thumb drive.) Maybe the instructions should include that back up step to the flash drive so that all settings are saved regardless. We can't assume every XMC user will think of that beforehand. I spoke with Keith he is checking with engineering on the labels. He did say that there is enough internal storage to save one backup local and anymore than one would need to go to the thumb-drive, usb-stick. You can also back up and restore only from USB so there is flexibility.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 14, 2014 15:08:30 GMT -5
...(I was hoping for a separate turn-on volume for zone 2,)... I was hoping for the same thing as well. Although I haven't confirmed it with any repeatability, I know there have been a couple of times when I have turned on Zone 2 and it was inexplicably at full volume. How about Zone 2 staying on, or rather coming on with the main zone? It was always a pain with the UMC to have to manually turn on zone 2. I'd be happy if all settings from Zone 2 'stuck' wherever they were when you turned the unit off. Sorry, this should be in the testers or features thread but you reminded me.
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Post by glennr01 on Aug 14, 2014 15:27:08 GMT -5
I should add that I did not back up my settings internally or to a thumb drive - that might have been the problem. Also, it was only the input labeling that reverted to the default labels - the triggers, as well as any other settings 'stayed' with the firmware update. Again, this is not an issue for me - 3 minutes or less to type in the input labels. And, in the future, easy enough to back-up settings to a thumb drive. Did I mention that this freakin' processor sounds freakin' amazing?
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Post by frenchyfranky on Aug 14, 2014 20:17:40 GMT -5
I should add that I did not back up my settings internally or to a thumb drive - that might have been the problem. Also, it was only the input labeling that reverted to the default labels - the triggers, as well as any other settings 'stayed' with the firmware update. Again, this is not an issue for me - 3 minutes or less to type in the input labels. And, in the future, easy enough to back-up settings to a thumb drive. Did I mention that this freakin' processor sounds freakin' amazing? Stop, I waiting mine and you make me freaking.
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Post by novisnick on Aug 14, 2014 20:23:08 GMT -5
I should add that I did not back up my settings internally or to a thumb drive - that might have been the problem. Also, it was only the input labeling that reverted to the default labels - the triggers, as well as any other settings 'stayed' with the firmware update. Again, this is not an issue for me - 3 minutes or less to type in the input labels. And, in the future, easy enough to back-up settings to a thumb drive. Did I mention that this freakin' processor sounds freakin' amazing? Stop, I waiting mine and you make me freaking. Frenchy, your waiting on delivery??? I'm waiting on " The e-mail " so stoppppppp,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, patients is a virtue my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh wait, this is a family forum,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,,, Guys, the world is not going to end before Emo gets paid and ships your unit,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok, won't end before Emo gets their money,,,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 14, 2014 20:26:57 GMT -5
I should add that I did not back up my settings internally or to a thumb drive - that might have been the problem. Also, it was only the input labeling that reverted to the default labels - the triggers, as well as any other settings 'stayed' with the firmware update. Again, this is not an issue for me - 3 minutes or less to type in the input labels. And, in the future, easy enough to back-up settings to a thumb drive. Did I mention that this freakin' processor sounds freakin' amazing? Stop, I waiting mine and you make me freaking. Is your avatar a webcam?
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Post by frenchyfranky on Aug 14, 2014 20:34:54 GMT -5
Stop, I waiting mine and you make me freaking. Frenchy, your waiting on delivery??? I'm waiting on " The e-mail " so stoppppppp,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, patients is a virtue my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh wait, this is a family forum,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,,, Guys, the world is not going to end before Emo gets paid and ships your unit,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok, won't end before Emo gets their money,,,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Sorry everyone for my impatient character, I think that it's my worst quality.
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