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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 15, 2014 10:00:46 GMT -5
Sigh, at this price point in the 21 century for two thousand dollars I would hope it could be avoided . I don't buy the it happens to everybody else so we can too thought process . Does anyone here know what would be necessary to stop the anomaly from occurring? I'm quite sure if it was a simple thing it wouldn't be so common. Past and present.Blue scale mentioned the xsp-1 doesn't exhibit this phenomena, maybe we could ask the manufacturer of that fine piece of nirvana?☺
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 10:05:59 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what would be necessary to stop the anomaly from occurring? I'm quite sure if it was a simple thing it wouldn't be so common. Past and present.Blue scale mentioned the xsp-1 doesn't exhibit this phenomena, maybe we could ask the manufacturer of that fine piece of nirvana?☺ If it were a big deal for me I would. Maybe someone for whom it is a big deal will call and ask and post the answer here.
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Post by bluescale on Sept 15, 2014 10:19:30 GMT -5
While this does not occur in my xmc-1 I believe it is a big deal. At this price point this should be able to be avoided with today's technology! Whoa! How did I miss this previously?! I thought all XMC-1's were experiencing this issue. The fact that some are and some aren't is even more troubling to me. That's points to a possible quality control issue. Either that, or you're testing a little differently than some of us, and that's what's leading to your results. Can I ask what input you tried this with? For example, in my test I had my 2 channel source plugged into Analog 3, and then listened to each input in turn to see what sort of bleed I got. tubby did a more thorough test than I did, and tried pretty much every combination of analog inputs to see what happens. Do you remember which input your analog source was plugged into, and which inputs you tried listening to to see if there was bleed?
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Post by bluescale on Sept 15, 2014 10:21:04 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what would be necessary to stop the anomaly from occurring? I'm quite sure if it was a simple thing it wouldn't be so common. Past and present.Blue scale mentioned the xsp-1 doesn't exhibit this phenomena, maybe we could ask the manufacturer of that fine piece of nirvana?☺ I'm thinking about opening a ticket today to see what Emotiva officially has to say.
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Post by bluescale on Sept 15, 2014 10:24:18 GMT -5
I don't have any headphones, but how important is this when listening with headphones? You know...I didn't think to test this with the headphone output. I'll check it out tonight if I get the chance.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 15, 2014 10:35:22 GMT -5
Sorry to go off topic a bit but back in my vinyl/turntable days, I recall hearing bleeding between the grooves on the record. For example, if a passage was silent, at times I could hear the signal from the adjacent groove. A couple of examples I can remember are from Emerson Lake & Palmer's album - side two track 1, "The Three Fates." And also Blood Sweat & Tear's second album, the track "And When I Die."
Does that still happen or has needle/turntable technology fixed this issue?
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Post by bootman on Sept 15, 2014 10:42:34 GMT -5
Sorry to go off topic a bit but back in my vinyl/turntable days, I recall hearing bleeding between the grooves on the record. For example, if a passage was silent, at times I could hear the signal from the adjacent groove. A couple of examples I can remember are from Emerson Lake & Palmer's album - side two track 1, "The Three Fates." And also Blood Sweat & Tear's second album, the track "And When I Die." Does that still happen or has needle/turntable technology fixed this issue? That was fixed back on 10/1/1982. Billy Joel's 52nd Street was the first album to get corrected. The device used was the CDP-101.
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 10:54:34 GMT -5
Sorry to go off topic a bit but back in my vinyl/turntable days, I recall hearing bleeding between the grooves on the record. For example, if a passage was silent, at times I could hear the signal from the adjacent groove. A couple of examples I can remember are from Emerson Lake & Palmer's album - side two track 1, "The Three Fates." And also Blood Sweat & Tear's second album, the track "And When I Die." Does that still happen or has needle/turntable technology fixed this issue? If it's hasn't been fixed it should be simple. It's the 21st century after all.
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 15, 2014 13:03:13 GMT -5
Sorry to go off topic a bit but back in my vinyl/turntable days, I recall hearing bleeding between the grooves on the record. For example, if a passage was silent, at times I could hear the signal from the adjacent groove. A couple of examples I can remember are from Emerson Lake & Palmer's album - side two track 1, "The Three Fates." And also Blood Sweat & Tear's second album, the track "And When I Die." Does that still happen or has needle/turntable technology fixed this issue? If it's hasn't been fixed it should be simple. It's the 21st century after all. Wow, they fixed this in the previous century, a shame we can't get rid of crosstalk, oh wait the xsp-1 works fine, maybe emo can check with that manufacturer and see what kind of magical electronic pixie dust they used
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 15, 2014 13:25:38 GMT -5
While this does not occur in my xmc-1 I believe it is a big deal. At this price point this should be able to be avoided with today's technology! Whoa! How did I miss this previously?! I thought all XMC-1's were experiencing this issue. The fact that some are and some aren't is even more troubling to me. That's points to a possible quality control issue. Either that, or you're testing a little differently than some of us, and that's what's leading to your results. Can I ask what input you tried this with? For example, in my test I had my 2 channel source plugged into Analog 3, and then listened to each input in turn to see what sort of bleed I got. tubby did a more thorough test than I did, and tried pretty much every combination of analog inputs to see what happens. Do you remember which input your analog source was plugged into, and which inputs you tried listening to to see if there was bleed? Let me re test Blue, I'll let you know
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Post by bootman on Sept 15, 2014 13:26:39 GMT -5
If it's hasn't been fixed it should be simple. It's the 21st century after all. Wow, they fixed this in the previous century, a shame we can't get rid of crosstalk, oh wait the xsp-1 works fine, maybe emo can check with that manufacturer and see what kind of magical electronic pixie dust they used I'll bet a ribbon cable with more shielding might just do the trick. And thank you for testing this out also. It is greatly appreciated.
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 13:48:15 GMT -5
If it's hasn't been fixed it should be simple. It's the 21st century after all. Wow, they fixed this in the previous century, a shame we can't get rid of crosstalk, oh wait the xsp-1 works fine, maybe emo can check with that manufacturer and see what kind of magical electronic pixie dust they used Okay, we've heard of one instance where the XSP works fine. We've also heard you say you'r XMC doesn't do it. So it's clear that not all XMCs do it so maybe not all XSPs do it either. So maybe we need more XSPs tested to be able to make a fair comparison?
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 15, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -5
Whoa! How did I miss this previously?! I thought all XMC-1's were experiencing this issue. The fact that some are and some aren't is even more troubling to me. That's points to a possible quality control issue. Either that, or you're testing a little differently than some of us, and that's what's leading to your results. Can I ask what input you tried this with? For example, in my test I had my 2 channel source plugged into Analog 3, and then listened to each input in turn to see what sort of bleed I got. tubby did a more thorough test than I did, and tried pretty much every combination of analog inputs to see what happens. Do you remember which input your analog source was plugged into, and which inputs you tried listening to to see if there was bleed? Let me re test Blue, I'll let you know Oppo feeding analog 3 @ -30 level (pleasant listening), bleed through @ -9 (insanity volume) on analog 2 I hear barely audible bleed through. Somebody pleases take Geebo's bone away before he hurts himself Must change my vote now
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Post by tubby on Sept 15, 2014 14:21:23 GMT -5
I don't have any headphones, but how important is this when listening with headphones? You know...I didn't think to test this with the headphone output. I'll check it out tonight if I get the chance. I just tested this. It has bleed through as well. Although I had to get above 0 to hear anything, there is no way you would hear anything at normal or even loud listening levels.
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Post by bluescale on Sept 15, 2014 14:35:17 GMT -5
So maybe we need more XSPs tested to be able to make a fair comparison? I would love to have more XSP-1 owners test.
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 14:49:54 GMT -5
So maybe we need more XSPs tested to be able to make a fair comparison? I would love to have more XSP-1 owners test. Yes, and with what inputs were tested.
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 14:55:04 GMT -5
Let me re test Blue, I'll let you know Oppo feeding analog 3 @ -30 level (pleasant listening), bleed through @ -9 (insanity volume) on analog 2 I hear barely audible bleed through. Somebody pleases take Geebo's bone away before he hurts himself Must change my vote now So based on what your are getting on your XMC is it a big deal for you? Would you ever hear it during normal listening? I know I would not.
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 15, 2014 16:27:09 GMT -5
Oppo feeding analog 3 @ -30 level (pleasant listening), bleed through @ -9 (insanity volume) on analog 2 I hear barely audible bleed through. Somebody pleases take Geebo's bone away before he hurts himself Must change my vote now So based on what your are getting on your XMC is it a big deal for you? Would you ever hear it during normal listening? I know I would not. Beyond expectations..... Did we pay extra for this feature? Because it is way beyond my expectations, maybe better than Dirac
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Post by geebo on Sept 15, 2014 16:41:38 GMT -5
So based on what your are getting on your XMC is it a big deal for you? Would you ever hear it during normal listening? I know I would not. Beyond expectations..... Did we pay extra for this feature? Because it is way beyond my expectations, maybe better than Dirac Fascinating...
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Post by music1st on Sept 15, 2014 20:34:41 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to test my UMC-200, but reading this thread has made me wonder if the UMC-200 has crosstalk between the analog in and the zone 2 pre-amp outs. As I said, I haven't tested anything yet, but I have noticed that on multiple occasions my Mini-X amp that is set to auto-on will turn itself on when I'm listening to my Sony Blu-ray player. I generally listen using the HDMI connection, but I always have the stereo analog out of the Sony connected to the UMC-200 so it's always receiving an analog signal. I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Mini-X is turning on only when I'm playing music at loud levels (UMC-200 volume set between 60-70). I have the UMC behind a door in my entertainment cabinet, but I can sometimes see that the light has changed from yellow to blue while I'm listening to my main speakers only. It always makes me uneasy because my zone 2 is connected to outside speakers and I don't want to be unwittingly annoying my neighbors. When the Mini-x turns on I never hear music playing outside, but I've never turned up the Mini-X volume to check if I'm getting bleed through from the analog in. Either the UMC-200 is sometimes sending a signal that is capable of activating the Mini-X auto-on, or the Mini-X is just turning on randomly. I need to get to the bottom of it, but I just haven't spent the time to figure it out.
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