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Post by monkumonku on Oct 31, 2014 9:51:20 GMT -5
Just curious, for those saying the lack of Atmos on a $2 processor from Emotiva is not acceptable, what are your thoughts on processors from Krell, Theta and McIntosh not offering ATMOS and costing much more? Well that's different. Besides, this is an Emo forum so stick to the subject. Here's what I think. When it comes right down to forking over your money or credit card, the majority of people are not going to care enough about Atmos to pay a premium for it. They'll get it because it comes included with the package. Of those who want Atmos and who actively seek it, only a portion will actually take the time to put up the extra speakers by the ceiling. And of those who have the good intentions of putting up those speakers and actually try to do it, many will have wives who put their foot down and ask why are they putting up those ugly things at the top of the wall??? And of those who do actually make the installation, after listening to it in the home for a while some will wonder what the big deal is and more importantly some wives will be wondering why they allowed that to happen. On the other hand, some will be so impressed that it sounds like a real helicopter is in the room that they just won't be able to stop raving about it. It's just like the first few days of class in college. The room is packed on day one then slowly thins out as people read the syllabus and find out what they have to commit to for the semester.
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 31, 2014 9:52:41 GMT -5
I just got off the pre-pro treadwheel. Not waiting for the XMC-1 with Dirac any longer. Ordered a Marantz AV 7702 from Amazon - 2 day prime delivery! Let the ceiling drillings begin!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 9:54:51 GMT -5
weather you have a need or want for ATMOS at all...its still the latest tech and the XMC1 doesnt have it..so yes its outdated...doesnt mean it doesnt check all the boxes for some people...im sure its great! but if you are shelling out 2K I would expect the processor to have all the latest tech available ...so IMHO its outdated
this all is not even mentioning you are all arguing with the idea that the XMC1 HAS DIRAC...which it does NOT....when that comes out...it can be used in an argument...but lets be honest here...EMO has been saying "its close" since May
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Post by diablo561 on Oct 31, 2014 9:58:13 GMT -5
The only thing I'm waiting for is the implementation of Dirac. I have no plans to cut holes in my ceiling for Atmos.As a side benefit, the delay has allowed Emotiva to work on some of the bugs, so when I get mine most of this stuff will be sorted out.
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Post by darien87 on Oct 31, 2014 9:58:17 GMT -5
Not sure how the Marantz AV7005 compares to the 7702 or the 8801 but I had a 7005 and had problems with it from day one. I tried 2 different units and both of them had serious ground loop hum in my system. The second one was better but they both did it. Both my UMC-1 and now XMC-1 were/are dead silent. I also did not get good results in my system with Audyssey. I think my XMC-1 out of the box with no room correction or PEQ sounds better than the 7005.
Also you guys keep saying the XMC is $2,000 but I think most of us that have bought it so far have done so with our 40% discount so it's a $1,200 processor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 10:01:29 GMT -5
yes but I can also get the marantz for a large discount too....you have to go by MSRP
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Post by filoucpp on Oct 31, 2014 10:18:12 GMT -5
I think there is one point that you guys forget here: "in theory" the XMC will improve over the years, it was built in that purpose, which means it COULD get Atmos at some point, or it COULD get something else, better, worse, if Atmos is not largely adopted... I know it's a big "if" but if it gets Amtos it won't be outdated anymore.
Plus if you buy the Marantz now and let's say in 6 months there release a new version of Atmos, with more speakers, better processing... which is probably gonna happen Atmos being so young, your Marantz will be outdated already and you won't be able to update it unless you buy another one! That could be OK for someone that changes Receiver/Pre/Pro every 6 months or 1 year but that's not the way I do...
I decided to believe in Emotiva when they say their XMC will evolve (maybe I'm naive)! I'm not looking for Atmos (I don't even have speakers right now) as I will only have a 5.1 (maybe 5.2) system but if I was waiting for Atmos I'll wait a little bit more to see how things go...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 10:47:54 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas...
we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated
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Post by twism on Oct 31, 2014 10:57:53 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas... we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated We could say that about everything couldn't we, now this is an honest question, would we consider the X4100 or X5200 outdated because it doesn't yet support Auro-3D? I don't think it fully supports HDMI 2.0 for 4K, etc... Then next month when a new tech is announced we can all proclaim that every processor is outdated...Could we claim every other processor is outdated because they don't have DIRAC? Seems like a silly game... No?
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Post by geebo on Oct 31, 2014 10:58:57 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas... we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated If that's the case, then I, for one, am glad it's outdated and I didn't have to pay for something I don't want and will not use for the foreseeable future. I guess it puts Emotiva in with the rest of outdated crowd consisting of the likes of Krell, Theta and McIntosh. Pretty good company I'd say. If you want Marantz, Yamaha, Onkyo or whatever because they have Atmos then that's exactly what you should get. Pretty simple really.
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 31, 2014 11:09:04 GMT -5
Pre-pros are always on the leading wave of new technology. I've had more pre-pros over the years than any other class of component. It is not going to change. A five year development cycle on a pre-pro is not going to cut it, business wise. There will always be a ton of guys behind the curve and bragging that that's where they want to be. It's a defense mechanism they use to disguise who wears the pants in the house.
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Post by filoucpp on Oct 31, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -5
fair enough! the Marantz does not have a huge OLED screen, readable from a good distance (I can read it from my couch) with a ton of options easily accessible without turning the TV on... for a $2k processor it's not acceptable... the 7702 is outdated (I agree that's it's not easy to find something the Marantz does not have)
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 31, 2014 11:11:35 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas... we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated We could say that about everything couldn't we, now this is an honest question, would we consider the X4100 or X5200 outdated because it doesn't yet support Auro-3D? I don't think it fully supports HDMI 2.0 for 4K, etc... Then next month when a new tech is announced we can all proclaim that every processor is outdated...Could we claim every other processor is outdated because they don't have DIRAC? Seems like a silly game... No? It's just like driving a car off the lot. As soon as you do, you're driving an outdated, obsolete and rapidly depreciating vehicle. But if it does what you want it to do, then what does that matter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 11:14:36 GMT -5
well...I guess..i am in the very wrong spot (emo forum) vs the very wrong crowd (xmc1 owners) to ever win this battle...so i will bow out...cause you will paint the picture the way that makes you feel the best. I was 100% going to buy the XMC-1 when it came out...but when my name came up DIRAC was still not out...and so I decided to try ATMOS at no cost...and man its a winner (well at least DSU is..since ther isnt much true ATMOS content at this time)! so I would never consider a product without it...I fully understand everyones point of view...but I disagree and it (XMC1) is in fact outdated ...but that is my view on it... have fun guys
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Post by geebo on Oct 31, 2014 11:14:43 GMT -5
fair enough! the Marantz does not have a huge OLED screen, readable from a good distance (I can read it from my couch) with a ton of options easily accessible without turning the TV on... for a $2k processor it's not acceptable... the 7702 is outdated (I agree that's it's not easy to find something the Marantz does not have) A jack of all trades and a master of none...
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Post by geebo on Oct 31, 2014 11:19:54 GMT -5
well...I guess..i am in the very wrong spot (emo forum) vs the very wrong crowd (xmc1 owners) to ever win this battle...so i will bow out...cause you will paint the picture the way that makes you feel the best. I was 100% going to buy the XMC-1 when it came out...but when my name came up DIRAC was still not out...and so I decided to try ATMOS at no cost...and man its a winner (well at least DSU is..since ther isnt much true ATMOS content at this time)! so I would never consider a product without it...I fully understand everyones point of view...but I disagree and it (XMC1) is in fact outdated ...but that is my view on it... have fun guys And if Up-to-Date is your biggest concern, than that is what you should strive for. Now, there are many people with tube amps and turntables that would have nothing else. It's just that Out-of-Date just doesn't matter one iota to many of us. It's the performance that matters more.
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Post by twism on Oct 31, 2014 11:24:58 GMT -5
well...I guess..i am in the very wrong spot (emo forum) vs the very wrong crowd (xmc1 owners) to ever win this battle...so i will bow out...cause you will paint the picture the way that makes you feel the best. I was 100% going to buy the XMC-1 when it came out...but when my name came up DIRAC was still not out...and so I decided to try ATMOS at no cost...and man its a winner (well at least DSU is..since ther isnt much true ATMOS content at this time)! so I would never consider a product without it...I fully understand everyones point of view...but I disagree and it (XMC1) is in fact outdated ...but that is my view on it... have fun guys And if Up-to-Date is your biggest concern, than that is what you should strive for. Now, there are many people with tube amps and turntables that would have nothing else. It's just that Out-of-Date just doesn't matter one iota to many of us. It's the performance that matters more. That's just something we all have to accept, I am not upset that my projector isn't 4K, I enjoy my outdated projector, we all twists things... I mean, ATMOS is home capable of like 22 channels, yet none of the current processors that are affordable support it, so does that then make them all outdated...? My lumagen only supports 125 points of color correction and not 729 like the new ones, again I am running outdated equipment.
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Post by chaosrv on Oct 31, 2014 11:25:16 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas... we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated We can say the same about what customers want from a product. If customers do not want/need a certain feature and a manufacturer decides not to include it in order to focus on what their core customers want, that does not mean their product is outdated. It means they are filling a particular market need by NOT including something. If the latest (to use something at random) Ford Mustang does not have a hybrid or all-electric drive, does that mean it is outdated? Other cars have them then clearly the Mustang is outdated, right? Or other high-end sports cars that reduce vehicle weight by removing everything but what they consider the bare essentials. Air conditioning? Out it goes. And yet people buy the cars knowing it doesn't have certain features that others would never purchase a car without. See where I am going? For your particular use, the XMC-1 does not meet your requirements/needs. That is completely fine and acceptable and I fully support your decision not to purchase one. BUT, that does not mean the XMC-1 is outdated.
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Post by Jim on Oct 31, 2014 11:31:23 GMT -5
if IF and Buts were candy and nuts we would all be happy on xmas... we could play the what IF game all day...bottom line..as of RIGHT NOW...the XMC is outdated My issue with your comment, is that all of the "consumer" AVRs (Onkyo, Denon, etc) are outdated every 6 months. They're always adding "features", and by the time they've implemented it, and it's made it to market, they already have to be well at work at the next generation. I mean, Airplay, DLNA, all those things are great, but the lifespan of those things is short before they have a new version, a new requirement. It's like a laptop. It has a very limited lifespan. I'd happy take a processor that has core functionality that doesn't need constant updates and does what it does really well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 11:38:34 GMT -5
I do wish the XMC1 had Dirac and ATMOS in it already as I hear nothing but glowing reviews and I love me some Emo blue. I am glad everyone has choices...after all thats what makes this stuff fun...along with the friendly arguments
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