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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 7:40:11 GMT -5
Would it make more sense to wait a couple months and get a higher end avr with hdmi 2.2 and hdcp 2.0? Then at least it would be future proof in case I eventually want to get 4k? Or is 4k going to be another 3D or curved tv gimmick/fad? To be honest I think 4k is too clear. It looks great but I wouldn't want to watch it on a projector.
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Post by Soup on Feb 12, 2016 7:53:09 GMT -5
I also recommend used Anthem mrx 300 or 500 with ARC. Awesome sound for the money.
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 12, 2016 8:09:38 GMT -5
Would it make more sense to wait a couple months and get a higher end avr with hdmi 2.2 and hdcp 2.0? Then at least it would be future proof in case I eventually want to get 4k? Or is 4k going to be another 3D or curved tv gimmick/fad? To be honest I think 4k is too clear. It looks great but I wouldn't want to watch it on a projector. No, it is not going to be a fad, at least as far as hardware is concerned. I expect that soon it will going to be impossible to find 1080 TVs. Content is another story, who knows how quickly 4k will replace 1080. Incidentally, I am helping a friend put together his first HT system (he has always been a stereo only guy). After looking at some used or previous generation options, we concluded he will be better off with a new AVR precisely because of HDCP 2.2. He is probably going to get a Denon X1200 (~$600).
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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 9:01:18 GMT -5
Would it make more sense to wait a couple months and get a higher end avr with hdmi 2.2 and hdcp 2.0? Then at least it would be future proof in case I eventually want to get 4k? Or is 4k going to be another 3D or curved tv gimmick/fad? To be honest I think 4k is too clear. It looks great but I wouldn't want to watch it on a projector. No, it is not going to be a fad, at least as far as hardware is concerned. I expect that soon it will going to be impossible to find 1080 TVs. Content is another story, who knows how quickly 4k will replace 1080. Incidentally, I am helping a friend put together his first HT system (he has always been a stereo only guy). After looking at some used or previous generation options, we concluded he will be better off with a new AVR precisely because of HDCP 2.2. He is probably going to get a Denon X1200 (~$600). Yeah, I'm thinking it may be wise to save longer and at least get HDCP 2.2.. I have someone wanting to buy my Samsung plasma so I may get a 60" 4k very soon.
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Post by moovtune on Feb 12, 2016 9:43:01 GMT -5
If you buy one with HDR capability, then your AVR will need HDMI 2.0A as well as HDCP 2.2.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 10:12:01 GMT -5
Would it make more sense to wait a couple months and get a higher end avr with hdmi 2.2 and hdcp 2.0? Then at least it would be future proof in case I eventually want to get 4k? Or is 4k going to be another 3D or curved tv gimmick/fad? To be honest I think 4k is too clear. It looks great but I wouldn't want to watch it on a projector. I would only upgrade to 4k if it was my projector. I can't tell the difference on smaller (60") displays.. Anthem is f'n awesome too..
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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 10:30:31 GMT -5
Not sure I would ever want a 4k projector. I thunk 1080 is fine. I wouldnt enjoy the look of 4k so big. It doesnt look life like to me. Its too clear. Same as all that hocus pocus smooth motion crap. ... as for the tv. Only doing it bevause my friend is buying mine and I find that plasmas have always given me some buzzing interference when I have separates... So after selling my tv I Wil onky need about 400 to get a samsung 4k 60"
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Post by KeithL on Feb 12, 2016 10:48:44 GMT -5
Oh, it's even worse than that..... The new HDMI 2.0a standard (which nobody supports yet) supports ONE version of HDR - "HDR 10". HOWEVER, there are two other competing versions - Dolby Vision, which is a superset of HDR 10, and is backwards compatible with it, and the Phillips version, which is hardware incompatible. So far it is "unclear" whether the new players, or the discs themselves, will support either or both of those as well. I just bought a nice new 50" Samsung 4k TV - which ISN'T HDR.... since it's quite capable of getting far brighter than I ever want it to, I'm not quite clear on what one that did HDR would do better. I would have to say, though, that it really is AMAZINGLY sharp (even with upsampled HD content) - which I personally like - so I would have to say that 4k is definitely "worthwhile". Note that most newer players offer dual HDMI outputs - one for audio and one for video - so you can connect one to the TV and one to your pre/pro. And, at the "cost" of one extra cable, and having to select the input on both your TV and your AVR, this renders you "immune" to having to worry about HDMI versions. And, if you're already dealing with NetFlix on your TV, and multiple source devices, then having to change inputs on your TV and your pre/pro is really a minor addition to the complexity. If you buy one with HDR capability, then your AVR will need HDMI 2.0A as well as HDCP 2.2.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 12, 2016 11:24:10 GMT -5
Oh, it's even worse than that..... The new HDMI 2.0a standard (which nobody supports yet) supports ONE version of HDR - "HDR 10". HOWEVER, there are two other competing versions - Dolby Vision, which is a superset of HDR 10, and is backwards compatible with it, and the Phillips version, which is hardware incompatible. So far it is "unclear" whether the new players, or the discs themselves, will support either or both of those as well. I just bought a nice new 50" Samsung 4k TV - which ISN'T HDR.... since it's quite capable of getting far brighter than I ever want it to, I'm not quite clear on what one that did HDR would do better. I would have to say, though, that it really is AMAZINGLY sharp (even with upsampled HD content) - which I personally like - so I would have to say that 4k is definitely "worthwhile". Note that most newer players offer dual HDMI outputs - one for audio and one for video - so you can connect one to the TV and one to your pre/pro. And, at the "cost" of one extra cable, and having to select the input on both your TV and your AVR, this renders you "immune" to having to worry about HDMI versions. And, if you're already dealing with NetFlix on your TV, and multiple source devices, then having to change inputs on your TV and your pre/pro is really a minor addition to the complexity. If you buy one with HDR capability, then your AVR will need HDMI 2.0A as well as HDCP 2.2. How does the xmc-1's auto lip sync function work with individual separate HDMI outputs from a source?
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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 12:12:09 GMT -5
So wait to get a new avr since the standards keep changing?
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 12, 2016 12:17:40 GMT -5
So wait to get a new avr since the standards keep changing? Doesn't matter. Whenever you get it then the standards will change the next day if they haven't already. You'll always be behind.
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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 12:37:06 GMT -5
Yep. After I typed that I thought that exactly.
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Post by selkec on Feb 12, 2016 17:51:41 GMT -5
Think I may get a marantz 7007 off of a guy for 600$ It looks like a decent AVR for that price
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 12, 2016 19:17:19 GMT -5
So wait to get a new avr since the standards keep changing? Doesn't matter. Whenever you get it then the standards will change the next day if they haven't already. You'll always be behind. It's like when it rains right after you have washed the car....
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Post by selkec on Feb 14, 2016 12:44:15 GMT -5
Well that marantz 7007 got sold... so now think I'll just wait and get a Denon or marantz with audyssey xt32 and the sub eq...
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Post by bootman on Feb 14, 2016 12:46:25 GMT -5
So wait to get a new avr since the standards keep changing? take a look at my sig to see how many times HDMI has changed so far. Scary how regular it is.
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 14, 2016 13:17:32 GMT -5
Provided the content does not force your hand, isn't about keeping your A/V chain somewhat consistent?
For example, my TV is an old Vizio 42" LCD, 720p. Don't even rember what HDMI version has... My AVR is a Fusion 8100 with version 1.4a. I also have a 720p Roku HD and am external HDTV tuner. The optical source is a Seiki BD player. It is not 4k, but it can upscale to it.
I am not crazy about video as I am about audio, so I think I will replace the Vizio when it breaks... At that point I will for sure get a 4k TV. Depending on what content is available by then, I may get a 4k BD player next. I can always route that straight to the TV and feed the 8100 only with audio.
Eventually, I will get a new AVR and at that point it will for sure have HDCP 2.2, HDMI 2.0a and all the digitale bells and whistles that are going to be available at that time.
My point is, unless you are replacing everything at the same time, if you can afford it, buy the latest generation of specific component you are replacing if it has anything digital in it. Speakers and separate amps are probably the only thing that I would not consider so critical
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Post by knucklehead on Feb 14, 2016 14:20:25 GMT -5
Well that marantz 7007 got sold... so now think I'll just wait and get a Denon or marantz with audyssey xt32 and the sub eq... Look for the ones with Audyssey Platinum built in to get the Sub EQ HT. Currently the least expensive Denon with Audyssey Platinum is the X4000 - it has a full array of preamp out jacks. In the Marantz line you'll need to get into the TOTL 7xxx series AVR to get these features. One thing the Marantz has even in the lower 5xxx series AVR's is a much better analog power supply - what Marantz calls HDAM (see below). I had a 5008 Marantz for a while and the two channel playback was very good. The Audyssey XT worked great but can't compete with the Audyssey Platinum with the Sub EQ HT if you have two subs. If you have only one sub then there is not as much difference IMO. There have been multiple threads on AVS about the differences between Denon and its sibling Marantz line. So far D&M Holdings have kept the two AVR lines more or less separate. All in all the Marantz stuff I've owned over the years have all sounded very good - including the 5008 - I just could not get used to that little porthole they call a 'display'. I call it cheap. The 7702 has a drop down front door that shows a large display - the 7xxx AVR series also has that door. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Advanced HDAM Discrete Buffer Amplifier ModulesThe SR6009 features our latest HDAM (Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Module) components, which consist of matched precision discrete selected circuit elements on a compact sub-board, instead of conventional op-amp integrated circuits. These advanced HDAM modules provide a full 10 dB of signal-to-noise improvement over earlier HDAM versions, along with ultra wide-band response (100 kHz, -3 dB) for crystal clear treble detail. Audyssey Platinum The AVR-X4000 features Audyssey Platinum, our most robust level of Audyssey support with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Audyssey Dynamic Volume, Audyssey Dynamic EQ, Audyssey DSX, Audyssey Sub EQ HT, Audyssey LFC, and Audyssey Pro. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 harnesses the power of sophisticated DSP processing, measures the acoustic output of the speakers and subwoofers, and generates multiple digital EQ filters with 256 times the resolution of standard MultEQ. This provides the smoothest, most natural tonal balance in virtually any room. Audyssey DSX offers the option of front wide and front height speakers which are placed to the left and right or above the main front speakers to broaden the width and/or height of the soundstage, making the audio experience more impressive, engaging, and believable. Audyssey Dynamic Volume senses the impending arrival of very loud sounds and automatically reduces the difference between normal and extra-loud programming. Audyssey Dynamic EQ automatically adjusts subwoofer and surround speaker levels for maximum performance at any playback volume. Audyssey Sub EQ HT provides individual tailoring for dual subwoofer setups. Audyssey LFC (Low Frequency Containment) provides a full range tonal balance for late-night listening that minimizes the intrusion of deep bass content into adjacent rooms or spaces. The AVR-X4000 is also Audyssey Pro Installer ready.
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Post by maximumkahuna on Feb 14, 2016 17:21:08 GMT -5
I need a better avr. Not interested in atmos, 3d, or 4k. Want to spend from 500-700$ Also needs trigger outs, 2 hdmi outs and preouts. What should I look for? Maybe a marantz 7007, denon 4311, pioneer elite sc85? I'm thinking maybe I could find a refurbished since I don't want the new technology. I just want a good sounding avr with decent power. All suggestions welcome. Preamp outs will be the sticking point. Many low and mid-level receivers have eliminated them. You may have to go to Yamaha RXV-779 to get Yammy pre outs.
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Post by selkec on Feb 26, 2016 23:02:59 GMT -5
I am still undecided on what to get... about 90% sure I want denon x4200 because it has preouts and xt32.
I'm getting a 4k 60" in a couple weeks. What has me confused is all this hdcp 2.2 Hdmi 2.0 and now Keith mentioned 2.0a? So wtf, can the denon not even pass thru the 4k? Not sure it matters. I wouldn't bebuying a 4k player for a few years.
I haven't seen any new avr with hdmi 2.0a.
So is it even worth getting the denon 4200 bevause it's hdcp 2.2 and hdmi 2.0?
Or woild it make more sense to get a Denon x4000 for much less and get a emotiva xpa5 to go with it. All this thinking just makes me more confused. Lol
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