|
Post by goodfellas27 on Oct 15, 2019 13:05:07 GMT -5
The lack of Dirac is worrisome, but they do advertise it. Hopefully is out before the year ends. I'm thinking about order it as well. The one thing holding me back is no Dirac yet. I have heard people use the PEQ filters for the XMC1/2. Anyone here using REW to export filters to their XMC2? I have used REW before but it has been a little while. If I could convince myself I could do this I would order.
|
|
|
Post by goodfellas27 on Oct 15, 2019 14:46:36 GMT -5
Just ordered my replacement Hopefully, it works :-)
|
|
|
Post by Gary Cook on Oct 15, 2019 16:08:34 GMT -5
The lack of Dirac is worrisome, but they do advertise it. Hopefully is out before the year ends] This is an issue for me as if it needs to go back to Emotiva for the DIRAC upgrade for some unforeseen (at this time) reason that would require shipping it from Australia and back. Not an inexpensive proposition. Cheers Gary
|
|
|
Post by Ex_Vintage on Oct 15, 2019 16:37:20 GMT -5
So, is it possible to transfer the Dirac derived filter values from an XMC-1 to an XMC-2? Keith? Hair Nick?
|
|
|
Post by creimes on Oct 15, 2019 18:21:34 GMT -5
So, is it possible to transfer the Dirac derived filter values from an XMC-1 to an XMC-2? Keith? Hair Nick? The XMC-2 does not yet have Dirac within it's software, an update is needed for that from what i have heard so I would have to assume the answer is no, and also i believe it is a drifferent version of Dirac than what is on the XMC-1. Chad
|
|
LCSeminole
Global Moderator
Res firma mitescere nescit.
Posts: 20,501
|
Post by LCSeminole on Oct 15, 2019 18:39:26 GMT -5
So, is it possible to transfer the Dirac derived filter values from an XMC-1 to an XMC-2? Keith? Hair Nick? The XMC-2 does not yet have Dirac within it's software, an update is needed for that from what i have heard so I would have to assume the answer is no, and also i believe it is a different version of Dirac than what is on the XMC-1. Chad Exactly, the software versions are different, thus the code and algorithms must be different as well, so I'm pretty confident the answer is no as well.
|
|
|
Post by creimes on Oct 15, 2019 19:00:10 GMT -5
The XMC-2 does not yet have Dirac within it's software, an update is needed for that from what i have heard so I would have to assume the answer is no, and also i believe it is a different version of Dirac than what is on the XMC-1. Chad Exactly, the software versions are different, thus the code and algorithms must be different as well, so I'm pretty confident the answer is no as well. Also one thing I would like to know is if Dirac on the XMC-1 will have 2 presets available to assign rather than just one like the XMC-1, it's not a deal breaker for me but would be nice expecially since some other brands offer this. Chad
|
|
|
Post by thrillcat on Oct 15, 2019 19:28:08 GMT -5
The XMC-2 does not yet have Dirac within it's software, an update is needed for that from what i have heard so I would have to assume the answer is no, and also i believe it is a different version of Dirac than what is on the XMC-1. Chad Exactly, the software versions are different, thus the code and algorithms must be different as well, so I'm pretty confident the answer is no as well. I would honestly ask Dirac, not Emotiva. When it comes right down to it, it’s a bunch of numbers in a spreadsheet. Only Dirac would know if v1 spreadsheets correspond with and import into v2.
|
|
|
Post by Ex_Vintage on Oct 15, 2019 20:59:59 GMT -5
The XMC-2 does not yet have Dirac within it's software, an update is needed for that from what i have heard so I would have to assume the answer is no, and also i believe it is a different version of Dirac than what is on the XMC-1. Chad Exactly, the software versions are different, thus the code and algorithms must be different as well, so I'm pretty confident the answer is no as well. I get that the software that measures the response from the test sound spectrum is different. I assume that software calculates the filter values for the XMC EQ bands. If the EQ bands for the XMC 2 are the same as the XMC 1, then the values should be able to be transferred, I do know that Dirac EQ has a dramatic benefit in my listening environment. An XMC-2 without Driac is a step backward in sound quality over my present XMC-1 set up...
|
|
Chris
Emo VIPs
Posts: 424
|
Post by Chris on Oct 15, 2019 22:32:45 GMT -5
I would like to know what the turnaround time will be once you ship your XMC-1 back. For me it will be a hardship since I use my HT with the XMC-1 every day to watch TV, listen to music, etc. I wish they could have offered a cross ship by charging full price to credit card and refunding once they got the XMC-1 back and it checked out? I hope they will be able to match orders/returns with stock on hand. I'd hate to return my XMC-1 and then hear they are back ordered for some amount of time. Any clarity on this from Emotiva would be appreciated.
|
|
Chris
Emo VIPs
Posts: 424
|
Post by Chris on Oct 15, 2019 22:48:48 GMT -5
Has anyone posted a review here of the XMC-2 vs the XMC-1? I am not expecting dramatic changes but hope that sound quality is at least as good as the XMC-1. I always listen to my two channel sources (e.g. phono) in Reference Mode. IMHO the XMC-1 is literally a straight wire with gain and is very transparent. I hope the XMC-2 continues this tradition. I don't use Dirac since I have my Martin Logans manually dialed in. I found Dirac did not work well with dipole speakers such as the Martin Logans. My only need is to tweek the bass settings of the MLs. ML offers both manual and ARC for bass adjustment. Through room treatment and manual adjustment I was able to dial in the bass very well.
|
|
|
Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 15, 2019 23:02:52 GMT -5
The lack of Dirac is worrisome, but they do advertise it. Hopefully is out before the year ends] This is an issue for me as if it needs to go back to Emotiva for the DIRAC upgrade for some unforeseen (at this time) reason that would require shipping it from Australia and back. Not an inexpensive proposition. Cheers Gary I think you’re prudent waiting a bit, it’s a long drive back to the home office, maybe one more firmware release.
|
|
Lsc
Emo VIPs
Posts: 3,348
|
Post by Lsc on Oct 15, 2019 23:07:42 GMT -5
This is an issue for me as if it needs to go back to Emotiva for the DIRAC upgrade for some unforeseen (at this time) reason that would require shipping it from Australia and back. Not an inexpensive proposition. Cheers Gary I think you’re prudent waiting a bit, it’s a long drive back to the home office, maybe one more firmware release. Why would you need to ship it back for Dirac? I suppose it’s a valid issue if the firmware update bricks the XMC2 somehow.
|
|
|
Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 15, 2019 23:09:36 GMT -5
Thank you just placed an order online. I have 4K board so I am hoping that they will issue a refund for $399+tax. From the trade in page: “ If you initially purchased your XMC-1 with the original HDMI 1.4b video option, or the older single-input 4k video card, and later purchased the latest 4k HDMI 2.0b video upgrade and later purchased the latest 4k HDMI 2.0b video upgrade (the v3 HDMI 2.0b video option) separately for it at a cost of $399, you will be eligible to trade it in for a new XMC-2 for $601 plus shipping. You can either place an order from the website, and we’ll issue you a refund for the difference, or you can call 615-790-6754.”
|
|
|
Post by Gary Cook on Oct 16, 2019 0:26:35 GMT -5
Why would you need to ship it back for Dirac? At this time I don't know why it should, but it's not impossible for it to need a hardware upgrade. It's possible that the reason for the long (and it has been long) delay in releasing DIRAC for the RMC-1 is due to some hardware deficiency that wasn't obvious when the RMC-1 was released and DIRAC was promised as a software upgrade only. Obviously the same applies to the RMC-1L and the XMC-2, it's not impossible that they will need a hardware upgrade too. And/or that the software upgrade requires expertise or processes that are beyond what Emotiva will trust their customers with. That too. Cheers Gary
|
|
cawgijoe
Emo VIPs
"We made too many of the wrong mistakes." - Yogi Berra
Posts: 4,915
|
Post by cawgijoe on Oct 16, 2019 6:34:21 GMT -5
I will call this morning to order an XMC-2 and hopefully get some better details on the trade-in process, stock on hand, and time involved to be without a processor.
|
|
cawgijoe
Emo VIPs
"We made too many of the wrong mistakes." - Yogi Berra
Posts: 4,915
|
Post by cawgijoe on Oct 16, 2019 9:29:08 GMT -5
I just got off the phone and ordered the XMC-2 for tradein purposes. Emotiva took my credit card number. Tax is being charged, so for those in the US with sales tax in your State, be prepared for that additional amount. They told me that I would recieve an email with instructions on the trade-in process and in about ten days I would receive another email with a printable UPS reurn label for my XMC-1. I would then send my XMC-1 back to Franklin and once they receive it, they would check it out, takes a couple days and then they would send the XMC-2 out. If I'm lucky, early November I'm gussing. I'll wait till I receive my return label email before taking the XMC-1 out of my system. In the meantime I will label my cables and take a pic of the back of the XMC-1 to use when setting up the XMC-2.
No news on Dirac. It will be a software update, so for those concerned about having to return the unit for a Dirac update involving hardware, that is not the case. From my conversation, it looks like we won't have to pay an additional amount for Dirac, but there may be additional Dirac upgrade capabilities that will be offerred for a price. No details.
I'll have to break out my trusty Radio Shack SPL meter....
|
|
|
Post by routlaw on Oct 16, 2019 11:39:05 GMT -5
This may have been discussed ad nauseam already but I just got off the phone with the folks at Emotiva to discuss the trade in program from my XMC-1. I wanted to confirm that indeed one had to give up their XMC-1 first before acquiring the XMC-2 replacement and as you all know this is the way it works.
This is probably going to be a deal breaker for me for a litany of different reasons the most important is being without any sound system for weeks while all of the back and forth shipping, inspecting and so forth goes on. Typically for me here in the northern hinterlands, it can take up to two weeks for a package via UPS to arrive from Franklin. I'm dead serious about this. Granted these are all 1st World Problems but I do find this program to be very annoying albeit a good deal for those legacy owners of the XMC-1 to trade up, but only if they have some sort of back up system to work with. I don't. I try and keep my audio bone yards as empty as possible, thus I don't have a back up pre-amp, processor (other than the Opposite 203) and other such replacements.
Just curious how many others have gone thumbs down due to this program?
Thanks
|
|
cawgijoe
Emo VIPs
"We made too many of the wrong mistakes." - Yogi Berra
Posts: 4,915
|
Post by cawgijoe on Oct 16, 2019 12:00:06 GMT -5
This may have been discussed ad nauseam already but I just got off the phone with the folks at Emotiva to discuss the trade in program from my XMC-1. I wanted to confirm that indeed one had to give up their XMC-1 first before acquiring the XMC-2 replacement and as you all know this is the way it works. This is probably going to be a deal breaker for me for a litany of different reasons the most important is being without any sound system for weeks while all of the back and forth shipping, inspecting and so forth goes on. Typically for me here in the northern hinterlands, it can take up to two weeks for a package via UPS to arrive from Franklin. I'm dead serious about this. Granted these are all 1st World Problems but I do find this program to be very annoying albeit a good deal for those legacy owners of the XMC-1 to trade up, but only if they have some sort of back up system to work with. I don't. I try and keep my audio bone yards as empty as possible, thus I don't have a back up pre-amp, processor (other than the Opposite 203) and other such replacements. Just curious how many others have gone thumbs down due to this program? Thanks I agree that it will be no fun to not have a processor hooked up especially when I will have to use my TV's speakers. But it's such a good deal that I can live for a week or two without it. For music I can rely on my iphone connected to an Audioquest Red dac and headphones. Sound is not bad.
|
|
|
Post by foggy1956 on Oct 16, 2019 12:10:50 GMT -5
This may have been discussed ad nauseam already but I just got off the phone with the folks at Emotiva to discuss the trade in program from my XMC-1. I wanted to confirm that indeed one had to give up their XMC-1 first before acquiring the XMC-2 replacement and as you all know this is the way it works. This is probably going to be a deal breaker for me for a litany of different reasons the most important is being without any sound system for weeks while all of the back and forth shipping, inspecting and so forth goes on. Typically for me here in the northern hinterlands, it can take up to two weeks for a package via UPS to arrive from Franklin. I'm dead serious about this. Granted these are all 1st World Problems but I do find this program to be very annoying albeit a good deal for those legacy owners of the XMC-1 to trade up, but only if they have some sort of back up system to work with. I don't. I try and keep my audio bone yards as empty as possible, thus I don't have a back up pre-amp, processor (other than the Opposite 203) and other such replacements. Just curious how many others have gone thumbs down due to this program? Thanks I will be reconfiguring the system so the Oppo covers most of the work load.
|
|