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Post by megash0n on Dec 3, 2020 18:06:05 GMT -5
Yeah. Definitely going to need to control the crossovers and such. I think this is issue number one of the entire re architecture of code... Which some of us pointed out well before Dirac released. I'm not sure what I read about the other thing. I could very well had misunderstood or inferred something. I read something that said any speaker capable could be used in the scenario. Flavio confirmed that "The ability to include the output at low frequencies of the full-range speakers into the Bass Control optimization is a planned feature but it's not available yet". He also confirmed that "When using the single sub version there is only one channel that is measured and corrected". The multi sub version is the one that can measure all subwoofer channels and manage them all, not just one channel. Both versions of Bass Control will adjust at a good crossover point between a subwoofer and a speaker. So this changes my view on whether Bass Control is worth the expense for a single subwoofer. I previously had the opinion that it probably wasn't worth it, now I think it is. It's a big benefit to have DLBC Single Sub adjust at the crossover point the interaction between the single sub channel and every "high-range speaker". The Dirac Live app without DLBC measures each channel in the system as a single channel and does not know or care where we set the crossover. Every channel is just an output channel and has no interaction with any other channel, that is why adding DLBC is a big improvement. I agree. And, I believe they do this between subs and each group of speakers. Meaning, the crossover may be different per speaker group, etc. It could be quite complex. In closing, all of this is why a few of us made this such a big deal prior to us getting Dirac. It's why we've wanted to know a timeline so we can repurchase if needed. I'm currently evaluating selling my RMC-1 for an XMC-2 since I won't have any need for channel expansion now. I'm not really sure about one of the manufacturers that has DLBC. For all the insanity, when things work.. I do like the G3Ps sound. |
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Post by Lsc on Dec 3, 2020 22:24:00 GMT -5
Flavio confirmed that "The ability to include the output at low frequencies of the full-range speakers into the Bass Control optimization is a planned feature but it's not available yet". He also confirmed that "When using the single sub version there is only one channel that is measured and corrected". The multi sub version is the one that can measure all subwoofer channels and manage them all, not just one channel. Both versions of Bass Control will adjust at a good crossover point between a subwoofer and a speaker. So this changes my view on whether Bass Control is worth the expense for a single subwoofer. I previously had the opinion that it probably wasn't worth it, now I think it is. It's a big benefit to have DLBC Single Sub adjust at the crossover point the interaction between the single sub channel and every "high-range speaker". The Dirac Live app without DLBC measures each channel in the system as a single channel and does not know or care where we set the crossover. Every channel is just an output channel and has no interaction with any other channel, that is why adding DLBC is a big improvement. I agree. And, I believe they do this between subs and each group of speakers. Meaning, the crossover may be different per speaker group, etc. It could be quite complex. In closing, all of this is why a few of us made this such a big deal prior to us getting Dirac. It's why we've wanted to know a timeline so we can repurchase if needed. I'm currently evaluating selling my RMC-1 for an XMC-2 since I won't have any need for channel expansion now. I'm not really sure about one of the manufacturers that has DLBC. For all the insanity, when things work.. I do like the G3Ps sound. Why not go with the HTP1? |
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Post by megash0n on Dec 3, 2020 22:45:57 GMT -5
I agree. And, I believe they do this between subs and each group of speakers. Meaning, the crossover may be different per speaker group, etc. It could be quite complex. In closing, all of this is why a few of us made this such a big deal prior to us getting Dirac. It's why we've wanted to know a timeline so we can repurchase if needed. I'm currently evaluating selling my RMC-1 for an XMC-2 since I won't have any need for channel expansion now. I'm not really sure about one of the manufacturers that has DLBC. For all the insanity, when things work.. I do like the G3Ps sound. Why not go with the HTP1? I don't know. I guess I should hear one. Probably just have a prejudice that it won't sound as good. If it were closer to the 2k price, I'd be far more inclined. I'm torn between accepting what Emotiva delivers for the next year or two and swap for an XMC-2, buying another brand of comparable sound... Or buy the Monoprice option. I have a couple weeks to figure it out. I'd obviously want to sell my RMC after the new year. |
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Post by Lsc on Dec 5, 2020 9:20:35 GMT -5
Why not go with the HTP1? I don't know. I guess I should hear one. Probably just have a prejudice that it won't sound as good. If it were closer to the 2k price, I'd be far more inclined. I'm torn between accepting what Emotiva delivers for the next year or two and swap for an XMC-2, buying another brand of comparable sound... Or buy the Monoprice option. I have a couple weeks to figure it out. I'd obviously want to sell my RMC after the new year. From someone on Avsforum the HTP1 has superior sound quality. Maybe it’s because they use a newer AKM DAC but regardless I don’t think anyone who switched said the sound quality is worse. The consensus is better sound quality with fewer bugs and more features. I’m tempted but staying out bc I don’t want to spend $4k on a pre/pro. It’s crazy how Emotiva made Dirac popular with the XMC1 and now fell behind other 16 channel Dirac processors. |
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Post by megash0n on Dec 5, 2020 11:07:36 GMT -5
I don't know. I guess I should hear one. Probably just have a prejudice that it won't sound as good. If it were closer to the 2k price, I'd be far more inclined. I'm torn between accepting what Emotiva delivers for the next year or two and swap for an XMC-2, buying another brand of comparable sound... Or buy the Monoprice option. I have a couple weeks to figure it out. I'd obviously want to sell my RMC after the new year. From someone on Avsforum the HTP1 has superior sound quality. Maybe it’s because they use a newer AKM DAC but regardless I don’t think anyone who switched said the sound quality is worse. The consensus is better sound quality with fewer bugs and more features. I’m tempted but staying out bc I don’t want to spend $4k on a pre/pro. It’s crazy how Emotiva made Dirac popular with the XMC1 and now fell behind other 16 channel Dirac processors. I admit that I forgot just about everything I knew about the HTP-1, but I didn't realize they were using an AKM as well. Given that, what is different about their AKM compared to the AKM Emotiva uses that makes the code so different to drop in? |
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 5, 2020 11:26:36 GMT -5
From someone on Avsforum the HTP1 has superior sound quality. Maybe it’s because they use a newer AKM DAC but regardless I don’t think anyone who switched said the sound quality is worse. The consensus is better sound quality with fewer bugs and more features. I’m tempted but staying out bc I don’t want to spend $4k on a pre/pro. It’s crazy how Emotiva made Dirac popular with the XMC1 and now fell behind other 16 channel Dirac processors. I admit that I forgot just about everything I knew about the HTP-1, but I didn't realize they were using an AKM as well. Given that, what is different about their AKM compared to the AKM Emotiva uses that makes the code so different to drop in? They use a newer DAC model.. 4493 I believe. But they do not have a single DAC for each channel though, I think they use one DAC per each pair of channel, but I'm not sure. Maybe someone who knows exactly can answer.
They use an older/another DSP/chip that Dirac codes for thus recieves code that work directly. Much easier to implement.
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 5, 2020 12:16:49 GMT -5
I don't know. I guess I should hear one. Probably just have a prejudice that it won't sound as good. If it were closer to the 2k price, I'd be far more inclined. I'm torn between accepting what Emotiva delivers for the next year or two and swap for an XMC-2, buying another brand of comparable sound... Or buy the Monoprice option. I have a couple weeks to figure it out. I'd obviously want to sell my RMC after the new year. From someone on Avsforum the HTP1 has superior sound quality. Maybe it’s because they use a newer AKM DAC but regardless I don’t think anyone who switched said the sound quality is worse. The consensus is better sound quality with fewer bugs and more features. I’m tempted but staying out bc I don’t want to spend $4k on a pre/pro. It’s crazy how Emotiva made Dirac popular with the XMC1 and now fell behind other 16 channel Dirac processors. According to sound quality.. Most people will, after using one unit with alot of bugs, have negative feelings for that one. Then after testing a new one with less bugs, even though it sounds the same or slightly worse, will feel it sounds better.
I wouldn't think much about sound quality between the brands. With Dirac, same room and same speakers I doubt many would hear any difference..
The stability and speed though is another matter.. Then we have the responsiveness of Monoprice compared with Emotiva regarding bugs and features. And the communication!!! They listen to their users and sometimes change the actual features according to how users want them. Never hear any "can't be done", "Dolby won't allow us" or "it's too hard to change".
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Post by Topend on Dec 5, 2020 16:44:51 GMT -5
Hi,
I have finally had some time to run Dirac. Due to a renovation I have had my Emotiva gear in storage since May. Quick question...
How do I know what crossover Dirac set? Or does it use what I set? When I checked the frequency response for each speaker right before Dirac uploaded to the XMC-2, it had my mains down to 25Hz and my centre down to 27Hz. At the time I thought this was just for frequency response settings.
Thanks,
Dave
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Post by Lsc on Dec 5, 2020 21:54:50 GMT -5
Hi, I have finally had some time to run Dirac. Due to a renovation I have had my Emotiva gear in storage since May. Quick question... How do I know what crossover Dirac set? Or does it use what I set? When I checked the frequency response for each speaker right before Dirac uploaded to the XMC-2, it had my mains down to 25Hz and my centre down to 27Hz. At the time I thought this was just for frequency response settings. Thanks, Dave Dirac doesn’t set a crossover- they treat each speaker individually. The crossover comes into play with DLBC - hence why it’s such a big deal to a lot of folks with multiple subs. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Dec 6, 2020 10:26:03 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? I paid for it. It was worth it. (Single sub) |
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Post by megash0n on Dec 6, 2020 10:30:40 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? I paid for it. It was worth it. (Single sub) what processor? |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Dec 6, 2020 15:02:26 GMT -5
I paid for it. It was worth it. (Single sub) what processor? I'd rather not say because it's not Emotiva. |
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Post by marcl on Dec 6, 2020 15:11:58 GMT -5
I'd rather not say because it's not Emotiva. What benefits do you hear and see? Are you using multiple subs? How does the crossover selection work? How about the phase alignment of pairs of speakers? |
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Post by Lsc on Dec 6, 2020 15:23:59 GMT -5
I'd rather not say because it's not Emotiva. Wilbur is a standup guy - he bought the Monoprice which is serving him well and I think he was concerned about sound quality too but no problems there. All in all, looks like he made a great decision. If the XMC2 didn’t work so well for me, I’d have done this months ago as well. Yes it’s unfortunate that the decision to go with a custom platform with such great intentions has been so costly. Hopefully there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Aug 26, 2021 11:36:45 GMT -5
Just curious, maybe it's been posted elsewhere and I missed it, since it's been 8 months since the last post here - any update to the status of DLBC?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 26, 2021 12:02:30 GMT -5
Just curious, maybe it's been posted elsewhere and I missed it, since it's been 8 months since the last post here - any update to the status of DLBC? No, you would know it if there was, and the Dirac thread would be the place. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on Aug 26, 2021 12:07:31 GMT -5
Thanks, I remembered that thread after I got to this one from Google. I wasn't sure though if I should ask there since it seems to be focused on support and not general discussion/questions - but yeah I'll keep an eye on that one going forward.
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Post by Lsc on Sept 2, 2021 14:28:41 GMT -5
Thanks, I remembered that thread after I got to this one from Google. I wasn't sure though if I should ask there since it seems to be focused on support and not general discussion/questions - but yeah I'll keep an eye on that one going forward. No need  . If they ever get DLBC - my XMC2 is over 2 years old now… we will know. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 2, 2021 15:14:08 GMT -5
If they ever get DLBC - my XMC2 is over 2 years old now… we will know. 🥳🍾🎉 🧨🎆 |
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Post by quamman on Sept 7, 2021 18:30:34 GMT -5
Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help.
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