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Post by Topend on Nov 27, 2020 0:27:10 GMT -5
Hi,
I haven't been on the forum for a few months. Is there any more news on Dirac Live Bass Control for the RMC-1 / XMC-2?
Thanks, Dave.
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Post by megash0n on Nov 27, 2020 12:46:42 GMT -5
Hi, I haven't been on the forum for a few months. Is there any more news on Dirac Live Bass Control for the RMC-1 / XMC-2? Thanks, Dave. This seems to be something extremely difficult for them to provide answers on. Many have asked the question for months with total avoidance.
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Post by Topend on Nov 28, 2020 9:50:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the response.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 28, 2020 17:13:02 GMT -5
Trust me, the wait willl be worth it. DLBC is the real deal.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 28, 2020 18:29:36 GMT -5
Trust me, the wait willl be worth it. DLBC is the real deal. I don’t think anyone is questioning DLBC just how long before it comes to XMC2. But this is great feedback and now we have something to look forward to.
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Post by megash0n on Nov 28, 2020 18:31:09 GMT -5
Trust me, the wait willl be worth it. DLBC is the real deal. I don’t think anyone is questioning DLBC just how long before it comes to XMC2. I don't think it is a timeline issue anymore. I personally don't think it will happen at all.
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Post by cwt on Nov 28, 2020 19:56:25 GMT -5
Trust me, the wait willl be worth it. DLBC is the real deal. I don’t think anyone is questioning DLBC just how long before it comes to XMC2. But this is great feedback and now we have something to look forward to. Agree after reading what Dirac laid out its roadmap for 2.0 ; specifically www.dirac.com/news/dirac-live-bass-management-ces2019The only tweak to this plan is the newer reference to 2 tiers to simplify what most will have to pay for[ apart from JBL Synthesis and the like]
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Post by bootman on Nov 29, 2020 12:28:06 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"?
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Post by geebo on Nov 29, 2020 12:36:32 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? My understanding is that it will be an optional and extra cost add-in.
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Post by megash0n on Nov 29, 2020 23:05:57 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? We’ve known from the start what the cost would be, and I don’t think we ‘all’ will be willing to spend extra, I probably would, but understand some will be reluctant. But even $500 is pretty reasonable for what could be a significant subwoofer upgrade. I’d bet for most though the lack of trial will cause them to think twice. I think most of us want to see Emotiva finally follow through with a promise they have made. So far, we have seen them run from their promises.
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Post by bootman on Nov 30, 2020 8:57:37 GMT -5
We’ve known from the start what the cost would be, and I don’t think we ‘all’ will be willing to spend extra, I probably would, but understand some will be reluctant. But even $500 is pretty reasonable for what could be a significant subwoofer upgrade. I’d bet for most though the lack of trial will cause them to think twice. I think most of us want to see Emotiva finally follow through with a promise they have made. So far, we have seen them run from their promises. OK so they promised that this specific feature from Dirac would be made available. Sorry I just rejoined the forum after a lengthly absence so I wasn't all caught up. If anyone can link to this post, that would give me a good catching up point.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 30, 2020 11:56:22 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? I’m not 100% sure I am willing. I split my 2 subs up so now I have a man cave with one sub and a “Rec” room with the other sub. Both subs sound great so for me to pay $350 may not make much sense. The XMC2 is so stable for me that I’m at the set it and forget it stage. AND this is with ARC.
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Post by KeithL on Nov 30, 2020 12:54:48 GMT -5
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We will NOT be including Dirac Live Bass Control for free. Unless, of course, Dirac decides to include that feature in their software for free.
2) We do our best to deliver on what we promise... However some things just aren't fully in our control... As you probably already know, we merely license the software from Dirac, so we are reliant on them for most of the code.
As usual I would also remind everyone to maintain reasonable expectations about room correction. Room correction is neither a silver bullet nor a magic wand. It is simply a modern technology that can often effectively correct or improve certain flaws in speaker performance and room acoustics. Room correction cannot turn a tiled bathroom into a five-star-rated concert hall. And, if you already have a perfect room and system, then there's nothing much to improve there either.
We’ve known from the start what the cost would be, and I don’t think we ‘all’ will be willing to spend extra, I probably would, but understand some will be reluctant. But even $500 is pretty reasonable for what could be a significant subwoofer upgrade. I’d bet for most though the lack of trial will cause them to think twice. I think most of us want to see Emotiva finally follow through with a promise they have made. So far, we have seen them run from their promises.
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Post by megash0n on Nov 30, 2020 16:09:42 GMT -5
1)
We will NOT be including Dirac Live Bass Control for free. Unless, of course, Dirac decides to include that feature in their software for free.
2) We do our best to deliver on what we promise... However some things just aren't fully in our control... As you probably already know, we merely license the software from Dirac, so we are reliant on them for most of the code.
As usual I would also remind everyone to maintain reasonable expectations about room correction. Room correction is neither a silver bullet nor a magic wand. It is simply a modern technology that can often effectively correct or improve certain flaws in speaker performance and room acoustics. Room correction cannot turn a tiled bathroom into a five-star-rated concert hall. And, if you already have a perfect room and system, then there's nothing much to improve there either.
I think most of us want to see Emotiva finally follow through with a promise they have made. So far, we have seen them run from their promises. So, are you writing code and testing or waiting on Dirac to give you the code? We all know where one of these paths lead as we watched it for a couple of years. It sounds like your statement implies you guys are expecting them to write code for your chosen DSP. I think many will agree that, at this point, we just want a real answer so we can move forward. Whether you or anyone else thinks this is important or not, your company has stated several times that you "are working on it" and have committed to providing it. No one expects it to be free to my knowledge. This is somewhat of a hostage situation here. You have people making decisions based on whether or not this is coming out in the next few months. Some may simply change which of your products to own or move on. You also have people buying different products because of a handful of questions that get avoided. It would be nice to just get a real, direct answer.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 30, 2020 19:49:21 GMT -5
I think most of us want to see Emotiva finally follow through with a promise they have made. So far, we have seen them run from their promises. OK so they promised that this specific feature from Dirac would be made available. Sorry I just rejoined the forum after a lengthly absence so I wasn't all caught up. If anyone can link to this post, that would give me a good catching up point. The 1st three posts in the Official Dirac Live thread have a lot of base information, I believe I link the original statement regarding the intention to support DLBC in the FAQ (3rd post). emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/57079/official-dirac-thread-start-posts
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 1:54:24 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is questioning DLBC just how long before it comes to XMC2. I don't think it is a timeline issue anymore. I personally don't think it will happen at all. There are those that say the glass is half empty and there are those that say the glass if half full. Then there's MegashOn which says Emotiva pisseth in my cup! ROFL
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Post by ttocs on Dec 1, 2020 3:27:41 GMT -5
So we are all willing to pay the 350/500 upgrade cost for this? live.dirac.com/home-audio/Or are we assuming it will be "included for free"? I’m not 100% sure I am willing. I split my 2 subs up so now I have a man cave with one sub and a “Rec” room with the other sub. Both subs sound great so for me to pay $350 may not make much sense. The XMC2 is so stable for me that I’m at the set it and forget it stage. AND this is with ARC. I agree, but there's another reason. If a system has one subwoofer, DLBC would be overkill. Regular Dirac does a fine job with one subwoofer, or even two subwoofers as long as one sub is for LFE on the Center Sub output and one sub is on the Left Sub output and set to Mono. Dirac can't calibrate multiple subs together to work as one. DLBC will shine with multiple subwoofers each connected on individual channels. Great results can be attained without DLBC, but effort, time, patience, and knowledge are required. A system with 6 subwoofers will need 6 available channels so DLBC can do its thing. Anyone with a XMC-2 or RMC-1L with three subwoofer channels and two or three subwoofers would benefit by using DLBC.
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Post by markc on Dec 1, 2020 11:04:54 GMT -5
I agree, but there's another reason. If a system has one subwoofer, DLBC would be overkill. Regular Dirac does a fine job with one subwoofer, or even two subwoofers as long as one sub is for LFE on the Center Sub output and one sub is on the Left Sub output and set to Mono. Dirac can't calibrate multiple subs together to work as one. DLBC will shine with multiple subwoofers each connected on individual channels. Great results can be attained without DLBC, but effort, time, patience, and knowledge are required. A system with 6 subwoofers will need 6 available channels so DLBC can do its thing. Anyone with a XMC-2 or RMC-1L with three subwoofer channels and two or three subwoofers would benefit by using DLBC. DLBC does more than try to better integrate multiple subwoofers, which is why the one subwoofer version is $349. It's design brief is to integrate ALL bass capable speakers in the system so that the sum of base from subwoofers plus Speakers set to Large can harmonise better and create fewer room nulls and more even bass
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Post by megash0n on Dec 1, 2020 11:36:53 GMT -5
I agree, but there's another reason. If a system has one subwoofer, DLBC would be overkill. Regular Dirac does a fine job with one subwoofer, or even two subwoofers as long as one sub is for LFE on the Center Sub output and one sub is on the Left Sub output and set to Mono. Dirac can't calibrate multiple subs together to work as one. DLBC will shine with multiple subwoofers each connected on individual channels. Great results can be attained without DLBC, but effort, time, patience, and knowledge are required. A system with 6 subwoofers will need 6 available channels so DLBC can do its thing. Anyone with a XMC-2 or RMC-1L with three subwoofer channels and two or three subwoofers would benefit by using DLBC. DLBC does more than try to better integrate multiple subwoofers, which is why the one subwoofer version is $349. It's design brief is to integrate ALL bass capable speakers in the system so that the sum of base from subwoofers plus Speakers set to Large can harmonise better and create fewer room nulls and more even bass Thank you. That was said well. There's way more to it than most realize.
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Post by ttocs on Dec 1, 2020 11:57:53 GMT -5
DLBC does more than try to better integrate multiple subwoofers, which is why the one subwoofer version is $349. It's design brief is to integrate ALL bass capable speakers in the system so that the sum of base from subwoofers plus Speakers set to Large can harmonise better and create fewer room nulls and more even bass Please steer me to the manual for the single subwoofer version of DLBC. I'd love to read it. I've looked for a manual but haven't been able to locate one. Also, please explain how DLBC controls the Large speakers to work with the Subwoofer in the single subwoofer version. I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for correcting me. Might be worth it after-all.
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