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Post by ttocs on Sept 7, 2021 19:08:57 GMT -5
Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help. There's just the one setting for the crossover in each channel to dump the frequencies below the crossover to the subs, and nothing for the subs themselves. You could use PEQ in each channel, might get messy, but not impossible. Set the XO at 120Hz for the Fronts which would "set" the top end of the subs, then go into PEQ for each Front and play with the settings to get what you want. If you mess up things and want to get back to normal, just select Reset Filters. Menu:: Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1:: Equalization:: User Eq:: then select what you want including Reset Filters.
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Post by quamman on Sept 7, 2021 19:21:03 GMT -5
Thanks , that’s kind of what I was thinking . Just wasn’t sure if additional bass management came with any updates . It sounds amazing right now as is , might do some more tweaking on it . I have worked with the PEQ a little, but it was mainly around 1800hz which is a trouble spot for my Klipsch RF7’s being a little bright. Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help. There's just the one setting for the crossover in each channel to dump the frequencies below the crossover to the subs, and nothing for the subs themselves. You could use PEQ in each channel, might get messy, but not impossible. Set the XO at 120Hz for the Fronts which would "set" the top end of the subs, then go into PEQ for each Front and play with the settings to get what you want. If you mess up things and want to get back to normal, just select Reset Filters. Menu:: Setup:: Speakers:: Preset 1:: Equalization:: User Eq:: then select what you want including Reset Filters.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Sept 7, 2021 23:31:44 GMT -5
Possible bug. Why not upgrade your firmware? emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/58898/current-version-rmc-xmc-firmware Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help.
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Post by quamman on Sept 8, 2021 19:04:06 GMT -5
Possible bug. Why not upgrade your firmware? emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/58898/current-version-rmc-xmc-firmware Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help. No , no Bug just doesn’t have the independent x/o settings for the subs that I could not find 😒. As far as the firmware goes I’m not really experiencing any issues with the XMC-2 yet . But if I want to take advantage of Dirac which my room could probably benefit from I will have to bite the bullet and update my firmware . I am currently using a minidsp 2x4HD to correct for my four subs and not sure if Dirac will even be any benefit in that area , but my mains and surround probably could. I’ve read where after updating then problems started that or chance bricking it then have to send in under warranty repair and wait for it’s return . Also being as mine is currently sitting at 1.8 I don’t know if I can do just the one update to get current , or if I have to step through multiple updates to get to the current 2.3
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Post by ttocs on Sept 8, 2021 19:34:25 GMT -5
No , no Bug just doesn’t have the independent x/o settings for the subs that I could not find 😒. As far as the firmware goes I’m not really experiencing any issues with the XMC-2 yet . But if I want to take advantage of Dirac which my room could probably benefit from I will have to bite the bullet and update my firmware . I am currently using a minidsp 2x4HD to correct for my four subs and not sure if Dirac will even be any benefit in that area , but my mains and surround probably could. I’ve read where after updating then problems started that or chance bricking it then have to send in under warranty repair and wait for it’s return . Also being as mine is currently sitting at 1.8 I don’t know if I can do just the one update to get current , or if I have to step through multiple updates to get to the current 2.3 I actually wanted to find out some things so a couple months ago I reverted back to 1.7 and all of the 2.x's. It seems that going from 1.7 to 2.3 wasn't an issue for me. I'm not recommending you do anything since you like what you have and all is well. Ain't broke, don't fix. Just sayin' that the firmware updates don't need to be sequenced, at least in my case.
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Post by quamman on Sept 8, 2021 20:15:47 GMT -5
No , no Bug just doesn’t have the independent x/o settings for the subs that I could not find 😒. As far as the firmware goes I’m not really experiencing any issues with the XMC-2 yet . But if I want to take advantage of Dirac which my room could probably benefit from I will have to bite the bullet and update my firmware . I am currently using a minidsp 2x4HD to correct for my four subs and not sure if Dirac will even be any benefit in that area , but my mains and surround probably could. I’ve read where after updating then problems started that or chance bricking it then have to send in under warranty repair and wait for it’s return . Also being as mine is currently sitting at 1.8 I don’t know if I can do just the one update to get current , or if I have to step through multiple updates to get to the current 2.3 I actually wanted to find out some things so a couple months ago I reverted back to 1.7 and all of the 2.x's. It seems that going from 1.7 to 2.3 wasn't an issue for me. I'm not recommending you do anything since you like what you have and all is well. Ain't broke, don't fix. Just sayin' that the firmware updates don't need to be sequenced, at least in my case. Well at least that is reassuring. Did you use Dirac any and if so what was you’re impression? I’m curious of it for my mains , but feel it likely will not offer anything more on my subs than the minidsp 2x4HD does .The XMC-2 is definitely an upgrade from my Sherbourn pt-7030 on sound quality with movies and affects are more pronounced as well.
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Post by ttocs on Sept 8, 2021 20:54:07 GMT -5
I actually wanted to find out some things so a couple months ago I reverted back to 1.7 and all of the 2.x's. It seems that going from 1.7 to 2.3 wasn't an issue for me. I'm not recommending you do anything since you like what you have and all is well. Ain't broke, don't fix. Just sayin' that the firmware updates don't need to be sequenced, at least in my case. Well at least that is reassuring. Did you use Dirac any and if so what was you’re impression? I’m curious of it for my mains , but feel it likely will not offer anything more on my subs than the minidsp 2x4HD does .The XMC-2 is definitely an upgrade from my Sherbourn pt-7030 on sound quality with movies and affects are more pronounced as well. Yes I use Dirac. I use miniDSP's for the subwoofers, then Dirac improves the response even more. I don't like what Dirac does with my electrostatics, so I just let Dirac correct the woofers which covers the frequencies below 300Hz. But for all the other speakers Dirac does a great job.
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Post by keithiegee on Oct 6, 2021 23:12:25 GMT -5
Any updates from Emotiva on Dirac Live Bass Control?
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Post by thezone on Oct 7, 2021 2:14:03 GMT -5
Question: I have 2 RS13 subs connected to my XMC-2 - one at the front of the room connected to the mono output crossed over @ 120hz for bass management duties and one at the rear of the room, connected to the LFE output.
I have never even tried Dirac yet, could Dirac handle this relatively simple setup? EG I don't have multiple subs playing the same frequencies one is essentially an extension of the front LRC and one for LFE.
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2021 4:40:25 GMT -5
Question: I have 2 RS13 subs connected to my XMC-2 - one at the front of the room connected to the mono output crossed over @ 120hz for bass management duties and one at the rear of the room, connected to the LFE output. I have never even tried Dirac yet, could Dirac handle this relatively simple setup? EG I don't have multiple subs playing the same frequencies one is essentially an extension of the front LRC and one for LFE. Yes. Dirac will correct each subwoofer channel independently. But Dirac Live for our processors won't do what DLBC will do for Bass Management crossovers to the channels configured as Small. We will need to wait for DLBC to help with that. DLBC can adjust the crossover setting for each speaker channel to the subwoofer channel(s) handling Bass Management for smoothest response at the transition. Combining both of your subs together will provide better results. Yes, it'll need some tweaks to achieve the better results, but it's well worth it. It takes very little effort to get much better results than each sub can provide by itself. Many of us use miniDSP for multiple subwoofer setups. Mine has 3 subwoofer locations, 2 in front and 1 in back, to form a subwoofer group. The Left Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-1 for BM (Bass Management). The Center Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-2 for LFE. The miniDSP Outputs 1-3 go to each subwoofer. So the same subwoofer group handles both duties, but can be adjusted independently. Dirac sees each XMC-2 subwoofer output as a single subwoofer. This type of setup, multiple subs, has great benefits for smoothing the bass response in the room. I use the separate XMC-2 outputs for BM and LFE because the levels for each can then be set independently just like your setup, which I check with REW.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 3, 2021 16:30:01 GMT -5
Suppose this is a good room to ask , tried the Facebook Paige got no response. Upon setting up my XMC-2 I noticed there wasn’t an adjustment for the subs frequency . I am currently running as dual mono on left and right mains set to small and 60hz . Normally in my previous processors you could set the sub independently at say 120hz while mains are at 80hz (60 hz in my case) but I didn’t see anywhere to set the subs cutoff. Am I missing something here or is that part of another update or part of Dirac? I am currently at firmware 1.8 , and have done all my settings manually. It does sound phenomenal but I am curious of the subs cutoff . From what I’m understanding so far the only base management consists of anything below you’re mains and or surround speakers cutoff goes to the subs? . I’m not entirely sold on the Dirac just yet and have not yet ran REW either to get a room response In reference to my processor it has taken place of . I’d like to get a full grasp of the new gear before I think of updating it to Dirac and may or may not like it’s response. Thanks for any help.
I think you're confused. You are mixing LFE and bass management which isn't the same thing. Although they most of the times use the same output speakers, the subs.
What you are speaking about is the LFE HF cutoff filter. This shouldn't be messed with even though some other procesors/avrs do support setting it to different values. It should always be left at 120hz as this is the spec for LFE HF. I think Emotiva has this set to 120hz with a 12db slope.
A crossover is used with bass management.. It simply tells how low you will let your main speakers/speaker groups play. It will always be the same between two speakers (sub & main) to get the smooth transition. Anything lower than the crossover is simply sent to the speaker or sub chosen to play the bass.
The point is that the sound should not change when moving from the small mains speakers to the subs (or bass capable large speaker).
Btw you are aware that firmware 2.3 is out? It has been for a while. 1.8 is like stoneage old.
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Post by matlok on Nov 14, 2021 22:33:16 GMT -5
Question: I have 2 RS13 subs connected to my XMC-2 - one at the front of the room connected to the mono output crossed over @ 120hz for bass management duties and one at the rear of the room, connected to the LFE output. I have never even tried Dirac yet, could Dirac handle this relatively simple setup? EG I don't have multiple subs playing the same frequencies one is essentially an extension of the front LRC and one for LFE. Yes. Dirac will correct each subwoofer channel independently. But Dirac Live for our processors won't do what DLBC will do for Bass Management crossovers to the channels configured as Small. We will need to wait for DLBC to help with that. DLBC can adjust the crossover setting for each speaker channel to the subwoofer channel(s) handling Bass Management for smoothest response at the transition. Combining both of your subs together will provide better results. Yes, it'll need some tweaks to achieve the better results, but it's well worth it. It takes very little effort to get much better results than each sub can provide by itself. Many of us use miniDSP for multiple subwoofer setups. Mine has 3 subwoofer locations, 2 in front and 1 in back, to form a subwoofer group. The Left Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-1 for BM (Bass Management). The Center Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-2 for LFE. The miniDSP Outputs 1-3 go to each subwoofer. So the same subwoofer group handles both duties, but can be adjusted independently. Dirac sees each XMC-2 subwoofer output as a single subwoofer. This type of setup, multiple subs, has great benefits for smoothing the bass response in the room. I use the separate XMC-2 outputs for BM and LFE because the levels for each can then be set independently just like your setup, which I check with REW. I just pulled the trigger for an XMC-2 trade-in! Hopefully delivery will not be too long. I also have 3 subs and a minidsp HD. I did not quite follow your last paragraph. I thought the idea is to present Dirac with one "virtual sub". How is this being done if you are using two different sub outs from the XMC-2?
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Post by msimanyi on Nov 17, 2021 22:10:25 GMT -5
I don't want to presume to answer for ttocs, and I'm *just barely* starting my subwoofer journey with more than a single sub, but I think the key concept is the LFE signal and regular bass signals are different. LFE is specifically encoded in the movie / show soundtrack.
By routing the LFE signal into input 2 on the miniDSP and the "regular" bass signal into input 1, he has the ability to control all three subs in ways not possible without the miniDSP.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 17, 2021 22:59:37 GMT -5
Yes. Dirac will correct each subwoofer channel independently. But Dirac Live for our processors won't do what DLBC will do for Bass Management crossovers to the channels configured as Small. We will need to wait for DLBC to help with that. DLBC can adjust the crossover setting for each speaker channel to the subwoofer channel(s) handling Bass Management for smoothest response at the transition. Combining both of your subs together will provide better results. Yes, it'll need some tweaks to achieve the better results, but it's well worth it. It takes very little effort to get much better results than each sub can provide by itself. Many of us use miniDSP for multiple subwoofer setups. Mine has 3 subwoofer locations, 2 in front and 1 in back, to form a subwoofer group. The Left Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-1 for BM (Bass Management). The Center Sub Output feeds miniDSP Input-2 for LFE. The miniDSP Outputs 1-3 go to each subwoofer. So the same subwoofer group handles both duties, but can be adjusted independently. Dirac sees each XMC-2 subwoofer output as a single subwoofer. This type of setup, multiple subs, has great benefits for smoothing the bass response in the room. I use the separate XMC-2 outputs for BM and LFE because the levels for each can then be set independently just like your setup, which I check with REW. I just pulled the trigger for an XMC-2 trade-in! Hopefully delivery will not be too long. I also have 3 subs and a minidsp HD. I did not quite follow your last paragraph. I thought the idea is to present Dirac with one "virtual sub". How is this being done if you are using two different sub outs from the XMC-2? oops. Sorry, I missed this from a few days ago. I'm running two virtual subwoofers (but it's the same group of 3 subwoofers for both). One for Bass Management only (Left Sub Out), and the other for LFE only (Center Sub Out). See below. I don't want to presume to answer for ttocs, and I'm *just barely* starting my subwoofer journey with more than a single sub, but I think the key concept is the LFE signal and regular bass signals are different. LFE is specifically encoded in the movie / show soundtrack. By routing the LFE signal into input 2 on the miniDSP and the "regular" bass signal into input 1, he has the ability to control all three subs in ways not possible without the miniDSP. Yes, this is exactly correct. This allows for each subwoofer output to be adjusted in ways not possible otherwise. The G3P's have a fairly unique setting which allows LFE to be separately assigned to the Center Sub Output. This allows for some very useful connection and routing methods for a variety of system setups. In my case it helps overcome a issue that is currently affecting the RMC-1/XMC-2 processors, elevated bass. This issue is expected to be fixed with a firmware update very soon. But since I noticed this issue (a long time ago) I developed this method of connection and routing which allowed for unique adjustments and a happy me. I am using 3 subwoofers as a single group. All are connected to a miniDSP's outputs 1-3. The Left Sub Out is setup as Mono. The Center Sub Out is setup as LFE. The Left Sub (Mono) Output of the XMC-2 is for Bass Management Only and is connected to miniDSP Input 1. The Center Sub (LFE) Output is for LFE Only and is connected to miniDSP Input 2. I adjust each sub in the 3 subwoofer group manually so all 3 operate very well together before running Dirac. Dirac doesn't know or care that each subwoofer output has more than one subwoofer connected to it. Dirac treats each output as a single sub. After running Dirac, I then run REW and adjust the levels of Left Sub and Center Sub as needed to get perfect results. DLBC should do a much better job than what I'm doing, so I'm hoping to get the chance to find out, someday.
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Post by jas156 on Nov 21, 2021 20:18:01 GMT -5
ttocs, on your miniDSP do you have both input 1 and input 2 assigned to all 3 outputs? Or is input 1(BM) assigned to specific subs and input 2(LFE) assigned to the others? I'm trying to figure out if there is a benefit for me running both BM and LFE signals to my single sub. Or when I hopefully have 2 subs by this Chirstmas I currently just run Left Sub output as Mono out to my miniDSP and output to my 1 sub and 2 seat shakers.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 21, 2021 22:32:21 GMT -5
ttocs, on your miniDSP do you have both input 1 and input 2 assigned to all 3 outputs? Yes.
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Post by keithiegee on Apr 5, 2022 18:13:18 GMT -5
Any updates on an ETA for DLBC for Emotiva?
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Post by markc on Apr 7, 2022 5:36:17 GMT -5
Any updates on an ETA for DLBC for Emotiva? There have never been any confirmations that DLBC is even being considered as a release for Emotiva processors, let alone that it might be being worked on. Admittedly there have never been any definite denials either, although I am sure I recall strong and frank hints along this line from Keith. I am not at all optimistic DLBC will ever be installable and so I do not think anyone should consider buying one of these processors imagining it will happen. My view is not because of the ongoing Emotiva track record of slow roll-out of firmware fixes to the ongoing problems (still present four years after the release of these processors) however. It is due to Dirac (the company) probably not wanting to write a custom DLBC engine solely for Emotiva. We know for certain that Emotiva is unique in it's choice of the hardware for DSP (it has twin Analog Devices ADSP-SC573, dual-core, 450 MHz DSP engines) emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/936836/threadThe other manufacturers implementing Dirac Live share a common path and so the Dirac live engine and DLBC code are universal to them and shared and any changes and rewrites thus apply to all of these other manufacturers in one go, making it a viable option for Dirac to support enhancements like DLBC. There was a very long delay in getting Dirac Live ported to the Emotiva DSP because it was Dirac who actually had to write the code for the Dirac Live engine and not Emotiva. Emotiva then had to implement this custom code and find a way to connect to it (and the EDNIB was born out of this fudge, to make it work) I am pretty confident that Dirac will not invest a lot of time and money in writing and troubleshooting a new custom Dirac Live Bass Control engine just for Emotiva products. It cannot be worth their while. They had to do it for basic Dirac Live because it was a licensed part promised at the time of launch of the RMC-1
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 7, 2022 6:04:32 GMT -5
Any updates on an ETA for DLBC for Emotiva? There have never been any confirmations that DLBC is even being considered as a release for Emotiva processors, let alone that it might be being worked on. Admittedly there have never been any definite denials either, although I am sure I recall strong and frank hints along this line from Keith. … You may be choosing your words carefully, but I’d say the following post contradicts them. However, they have been quiet on this for some time, so no saying if it’s still possible. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1030680/threadThe Dirac thread is a better place for this discussion … emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1034998/thread
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