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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 20:58:48 GMT -5
And people with positive experiences are not supposed to post here? Mine works great. Sorry. It may just be a coincidence, but mine is working great as well. And a big YAY for you too!
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Post by fbczar on May 1, 2024 21:22:36 GMT -5
I have some interest in DSD over USB because I have a lot of DSD files. ART would also be great. I can understand why folks with 2.1 HDMI TV’s would love that feature as well. Always been curious as to why people don't just go to HDMI as opposed to using USB? If you have an Oppo player you can play SACD’s, which are DSD. But the HDMI output of computers cannot handshake with the HDMI input of AVRs or processors. For instance, I have used both Roon and Audirvana. Both play DSD over USB. Neither play DSD over HDMI. Many excellent DAC’s have no HDMI inputs, but most have USB. I would like to play my computer based DSD files using my XMC-2, but cannot. This function was originally promised for the XMC-2, but was not delivered. However, the G4 processors are supposed to do it.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 21:33:45 GMT -5
Always been curious as to why people don't just go to HDMI as opposed to using USB? If you have an Oppo player you can play SACD’s, which are DSD. But the HDMI output of computers cannot handshake with the HDMI input of AVRs or processors. For instance, I have used both Roon and Audirvana. Both play DSD over USB. Neither play DSD over HDMI. Many excellent DAC’s have no HDMI inputs, but most have USB. I would like to play my computer based DSD files using my XMC-2, but cannot. This function was originally promised for the XMC-2, but was not delivered. However, the G4 processors are supposed to do it. Thank you, I believe jri er will do dsd over pcm on HDMI but I could be wrong and it may not be what you want.
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Post by Lsc on May 1, 2024 23:39:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately there is no known way to make that metallic sound happen. Is the metallic sound problem with newer firmware or has it always happened even with the original firmware? It’s always happened but it used to be worse before. Much less frequent these days.
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Post by marcl on May 2, 2024 0:56:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately there is no known way to make that metallic sound happen. Is the metallic sound problem with newer firmware or has it always happened even with the original firmware? I believe it has always happened. Possibly less frequent with newer firmware. I recall it used to happen on the center channel of Netflix movies quite a lot and now I only seem to get it every few months in the surrounds.
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Post by msimanyi on May 2, 2024 12:01:06 GMT -5
This is one of the more civil forums I've encountered online, but oddly enough this is the forum where I've blocked the most members.
And even blocking those so I don't have to read the negativity, I can't block their posts which are quoted by others...
That's not to sound totally callous. I do want solutions for all the problems people present here, but I also think that we're on edge-case hardware with these processors and some people are taking that up 2+ levels by pairing them with old hardware or very limited production hardware, which itself may not play nicely over HDMI, networks, etc. It doesn't present enough hurdles, add in that video and audio standards are all over the map and updating every couple years, with various levels of compliance. (I'm looking at you, streaming resources.)
But there will certainly be cases where no amount of saber rattling will result in a "fix", and those users with persistent problems that fall under their personal MUST HAVE A SOLUTION requirement will likely find far less stress for themselves if they seek out a different hardware solution. If they find it, I'd love to hear about their results so we all can learn.
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Post by thxultra on May 2, 2024 14:54:19 GMT -5
I do notice that both PaulBe and I have Samsung TVs so wondering if it is people with Samsung TVs experiencing the metallic sound issues and incorrect channel mapping more often. Maybe certain equipment that this is happening more common with that would help Emotiva in troubleshooting the issue.
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Post by KeithL on May 2, 2024 15:47:47 GMT -5
I have to say that, at least on this point, I agree with you 100% . It would be really great if we had a nice, detailed, clearly defined HDMI standard... And if every product that carries the HDMI logo was LEGALLY REQUIRED to comply with it... That way we could simply design our gear to comply with the standard... And, if we encountered something that wouldn't work with our gear, we could simply "rat them out to the HDMI police". (It would sure make OUR lives a lot easier.) However, at the moment, the "HDMI Consortium" is currently little more than a licensing agency... Here's their website... www.hdmi.org/ The interpretation of the standard itself is de-facto controlled by a few major TV and HDMI hardware manufacturers... (The biggest members of the HDMI Forum.) The upshot of all this is that... WE do everything that we can to ensure that OUR products comply with the standard. And we make sure that our products are all properly certified or built using properly certified subassemblies. THEN we do our best to make sure that our products work with other products - which may or may not comply perfectly with the standard. THEN we do our best to ensure that our products continue to work when some of those other products get updates or changes. However, since the HDMI standard is NOT a safety standard or anything like that... The most you could do would be to claim that a device that didn't comply properly "didn't work like the ads said it would" and demand a refund... (And we already offer a no-hassle return policy... even if you just plain just don't like our products.) I should also point out that a lot of people these days stream directly to their TV from the Internet... And they're not using HDMI anyway... they're using Ethernet... So we may actually see HDMI fade into obscurity some time soon... ..................................... You people in the industry have to work out these fundamental function flaws. The HDMI 'Standard' is an oxymoron. HDMI was first designed in 2002. Yet, here we are in 2024 still trying to get it to play nice between components, when HDMI is the 'standard' type of connection in use, AND, while using the HDMI 'Standard' as an excuse for all bad connectivity behavior. This is a circle of much more than confusion. There ought to be Class Action and criminal negligence suits against everyone in the Industry connected to the HDMI 'Standard'. ..............................
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Post by aswiss on May 2, 2024 16:18:56 GMT -5
You can spend 2x or 3x the price of an RMC-1 on a processor from one or two of our competitors... And they do have a few bells and whistles that we haven't incorporated into the RMC-1 yet... And, although I haven't listened to one lately, I'm sure that, at that price, they can deliver sound quality equal to ours as well. But they still aren't "flawless" by any stretch of the imagination... Except for the fact that the multipliers you mention are too low, Trinnov falls in the "still aren't "flawless"" category. Quotes from Trinnov owners on other forums, " random loud pops . . .You guys with the clicks and/or dropouts....what software version?sometimes "clicks", sometimes it "pops" . . .Since the Apple TV outputs PCM for everything except shows with Atmos, I was frequently noticing the “popping / clicking” sounds.Does the Trinnov website post a ChangeLog of the different versions of the Altitude firmware ? Cannot find this info.It takes at around 10-15 seconds for my Altitude 32 begin outputting sound. This is a bit annoying when demoing short Dolby demo clips. Is this normal?I am experiencing the same delays (usually 10-15 seconds) for audio lock and I have nothing else in the signal chain...The Apple TV4K requires the input to be switched on to a different one then back to it or the video won't display.I just tried changing the HDMI port type from HDMI 2.1 to HDMI 2.0b. Seems to have fixed the issue. I'll check again tomorrow. For now want to relax. I'm guessing maybe Trinnov still need to figure out some teething issues with these new HDMI 2.1 boards.they do have issues with the HDMI 2.1 boards, some people are lucky some not so much.when i toggle to my Pc the text is very very fuzzy. when i swap inputs back its then crystal clear. hdmi issue ?? (Answer from other owner: Yes)When i take this approach the post calibration result is too low LCR and too loud surrounds. I also get pops from my R speaker on loud volumes which i've never heard before.For those who have upgraded to the new HDMI 2.1 card, are you having any issues with it?" And it only takes $30K to have the same fun as these owners. I know from a distributor of Trinnov, that some customers already want to change - so we can all agree, that the 100%-free-of-issues processor still does not exist. And to manage and setup a Trinnov, you need to be a PRO. Its far away from click, measure, set and GO.
Here it's the ongoing waiting for the G4P which's not so nice. Only Emotiva can solve it.
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Post by PaulBe on May 2, 2024 19:20:03 GMT -5
I do notice that both PaulBe and I have Samsung TVs so wondering if it is people with Samsung TVs experiencing the metallic sound issues and incorrect channel mapping more often. Maybe certain equipment that this is happening more common with that would help Emotiva in troubleshooting the issue. The metallic sound also randomly occurs with balanced analog 2 channel phono playback, the TV turned OFF, and a CEC-less adapter on the output of the processor feeding the Samsung TV. Jus sayin' I don't see any evidence that the Samsung TV is part of the problem. I don't see any evidence that HDMI is part of the metallic sound problem.
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Post by sebna on May 3, 2024 2:10:12 GMT -5
Quick noob question about functionality of our boxes.
I read someone's post (which I don't have a link for) that bass management of our units in quite unique in that way that only Trinnov and other top dogs do it.
That it allows to do some sort of redirection of bass management and LFE and all that and that it is superior but it was not explained why or what it actually does in real life and what are the uses of it.
Could someone be so kind and explain it to me?
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Post by danielb on May 3, 2024 2:26:42 GMT -5
I have owned my RMC-1L (V3.2, 5.1 setup) since September 2023 Connected via HDMI: - Samsung S95B (HDMI Out 2/ARC) - OPPO UDP-205 (HDMI 6+7) - AppleTV 4K (HDMI 4) - HUE Sync Box (HDMI Out 1) - Swiss TV Box (HDMI 8) - Laptop with REW/Dirac (HDMI 1)
I've only had the metallic noise once so far while doing Dirac measurements. My RMC-1L also has the loudness problem, where it briefly switches to maximum volume when loudness is activated.
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Post by markc on May 3, 2024 2:48:43 GMT -5
If you have an Oppo player you can play SACD’s, which are DSD. But the HDMI output of computers cannot handshake with the HDMI input of AVRs or processors. For instance, I have used both Roon and Audirvana. Both play DSD over USB. Neither play DSD over HDMI. Many excellent DAC’s have no HDMI inputs, but most have USB. I would like to play my computer based DSD files using my XMC-2, but cannot. This function was originally promised for the XMC-2, but was not delivered. However, the G4 processors are supposed to do it. Thank you, I believe JRiver will do dsd over pcm on HDMI but I could be wrong and it may not be what you want. JRiver will indeed encapsulate stereo and multichannel DSD into a DOP (DSD over PCM) signal and output over HDMI but the Emotiva processors will not receive / decode DOP over HDMI. PC's will output native DSD stereo over USB or encapsulate it in a DOP signal over USB, but again, as fbczar stated, despite Emotiva stating since before the RMC-1 release that this will be implemented in the G3P (the hardware is capable), it hasn't been and so likely never will. One can of course still PLAY all computer based DSD files, including multichannel over HDMI, via the G3P, but only by transcoding to PCM (ideally 24bit 176kHz and I use JRiver to do this (don't forget to implement the inbuilt ultrasonic filter, as required by Scarlet Book, if you want to keep your tweeters!)) Finally, I couldn't find anything to confirm your final comment, that it has been stated let alone confirmed that the G4P are expected to be able to receive DOP and transcode to DSD (over either USB or HDMI)
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Post by flyingdutchman on May 3, 2024 12:26:35 GMT -5
Happy Friday y'all... Anyone else suffer from the problem of a cat making its new home on top of your warm equipment?
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Post by msimanyi on May 3, 2024 12:29:18 GMT -5
Quick noob question about functionality of our boxes. I read someone's post (which I don't have a link for) that bass management of our units in quite unique in that way that only Trinnov and other top dogs do it. That it allows to do some sort of redirection of bass management and LFE and all that and that it is superior but it was not explained why or what it actually does in real life and what are the uses of it. Could someone be so kind and explain it to me? Calling ttocs and marcl !!!
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2024 12:43:42 GMT -5
Happy Friday y'all... Anyone else suffer from the problem of a cat making its new home on top of your warm equipment? View AttachmentI'd discourage it. Hair and stuff from the cat will fall inside through the top vents and my son had a cat that peed into his Onkyo receiver.
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Post by hemster on May 3, 2024 13:00:57 GMT -5
Happy Friday y'all... Anyone else suffer from the problem of a cat making its new home on top of your warm equipment? View AttachmentI'd discourage it. Hair and stuff from the cat will fall inside through the top vents and my son had a cat that peed into his Onkyo receiver. Maybe she found the Onkyo sounding too warm?
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Post by marcl on May 3, 2024 13:07:31 GMT -5
Quick noob question about functionality of our boxes. I read someone's post (which I don't have a link for) that bass management of our units in quite unique in that way that only Trinnov and other top dogs do it. That it allows to do some sort of redirection of bass management and LFE and all that and that it is superior but it was not explained why or what it actually does in real life and what are the uses of it. Could someone be so kind and explain it to me? There is, I believe, a unique feature. Certainly wasn't available on the XMC-1 or any other processor I have had or know of ... but very open and expensive processors like Trinnov and Storm can probably do this. There are three sub outputs. They're basically identical, in the sense that despite being called Left, Center, Right they are mono outputs. The LFE channel is always just one channel in multichannel or Atmos. Bass Management redirects the bass content of speakers designated as "small" to speakers that are more capable of reproducing bass frequencies. The functionality of Bass Management is separate from LFE, but in most processors both Bass Management and LFE go to the same outputs ... typically the subs ... all of them, in mono. The unique XMC-2 and RMC feature is that Bass management and LFE can be separated. If you designate the Center Sub output as "LFE" then ONLY LFE goes to that output ... not Bass Management. If you do that and there is a sub connected to Left or Left and Right sub outputs, then Bass Management goes to those outputs. If no subs are connected to Left and Right sub outputs, then Bass Management goes to whatever speakers are configured as "large" ... typically the front left and right speakers ... sometimes others. The value of this is that often you want LFE to go to subs that are really great at "chest pounding" bass output ... high impact for movie effects. But such subs may not be as "musical" as the bass from full range speakers used to play the other sounds in a movie ... and to play music that has deep bass content. So this feature allows you two options: You can redirect the bass from small speakers to the large fronts which are usually very good at bass for music and non-"effects" content ... or, you can use different subs connected to the Left and Right sub outputs that have qualities that are more suited to music.
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Post by tngiloy on May 3, 2024 14:36:29 GMT -5
Happy Friday y'all... Anyone else suffer from the problem of a cat making its new home on top of your warm equipment? View AttachmentI'd discourage it. Hair and stuff from the cat will fall inside through the top vents and my son had a cat that peed into his Onkyo receiver. I owned an Onkyo/Integra processor before my XMC-1. I had the same impression of it as your son's cat. But I just sold it.
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Post by thxultra on May 3, 2024 15:18:14 GMT -5
I do notice that both PaulBe and I have Samsung TVs so wondering if it is people with Samsung TVs experiencing the metallic sound issues and incorrect channel mapping more often. Maybe certain equipment that this is happening more common with that would help Emotiva in troubleshooting the issue. The metallic sound also randomly occurs with balanced analog 2 channel phono playback, the TV turned OFF, and a CEC-less adapter on the output of the processor feeding the Samsung TV. Jus sayin' I don't see any evidence that the Samsung TV is part of the problem. I don't see any evidence that HDMI is part of the metallic sound problem. Ya I have had distortion on the balanced input also. However could have been something that was already "confused" in the processor from watching TV before listening to music. I'm no engineer but wondering if having certain equipment in the chain is why the processor has these problems. This isn't a excuse by any means but rather a attempt to try and troubleshoot...
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