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Post by PaulBe on May 4, 2024 6:19:13 GMT -5
The metallic sound also randomly occurs with balanced analog 2 channel phono playback, the TV turned OFF, and a CEC-less adapter on the output of the processor feeding the Samsung TV. Jus sayin' I don't see any evidence that the Samsung TV is part of the problem. I don't see any evidence that HDMI is part of the metallic sound problem. Ya I have had distortion on the balanced input also. However could have been something that was already "confused" in the processor from watching TV before listening to music. I'm no engineer but wondering if having certain equipment in the chain is why the processor has these problems. This isn't a excuse by any means but rather a attempt to try and troubleshoot... I think your troubleshooting questions and search is reasonable.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 4, 2024 11:43:02 GMT -5
The metallic sound also randomly occurs with balanced analog 2 channel phono playback, the TV turned OFF, and a CEC-less adapter on the output of the processor feeding the Samsung TV. Jus sayin' I don't see any evidence that the Samsung TV is part of the problem. I don't see any evidence that HDMI is part of the metallic sound problem. Ya I have had distortion on the balanced input also. However could have been something that was already "confused" in the processor from watching TV before listening to music. I'm no engineer but wondering if having certain equipment in the chain is why the processor has these problems. This isn't a excuse by any means but rather a attempt to try and troubleshoot... I think that (unlike your Samsung TV speculation), itās reasonable to think a particular type of device is more likely to cause the <digital hair, kazoo, modulation, whatever you call it> distortion. For example, Apple TVs are often sited with this distortion, but they are also popular, and people also site other sources; so we might say āUHD/Atmos streaming devicesā are a likely culprit. Some devices may also be less likely to distort, for instance, I donāt ever remember hearing this distortion from my Oppo 203, which I primarily use for UHD/Atmos discs. So here, the same type of UHD/Atmos program may be more likely to distort, when streamed (in my memory Iāve only heard it from ļ£æTV). Getting this distortion from the balanced input is an outlier, but your speculation that something done previously on the processor, put it āin the moodā to distort, seems plausible.
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Post by glegle72 on May 5, 2024 11:43:40 GMT -5
Hi, I, am new here, and I bought in France a RMC-1 in January, and a other last week. both are mint condition and I LOVE THEM. well about metallic sound, the first RMC-1 had the 2.5 version, sounded wonderfully, spacial effect very good.. the second had a 3.1 firmware, (not plugged on system) but I decided this weekend to remove all setup on both, and instale the new firmware 3.2. . So... yes..since I have now a very light sound (sounding like BOSE cube) on my POLK RT-5000 system. On center, front, surround.. metallic like loud metal tweeter ..no bass on peakers.. but LFE ok. More specialisation on stereo than before. same with CD, ATMOS also with 4k bluray. BLURAY dts-ma, dolby true hd...All was perfect with the 2.5 version..I noticed yesterday when I watched a bluray on DTS 7.1, the LFE was hot around +6 dB!!! Btw sounded very good (but bass management still light) only the LFE is very boosted compare to the 2.5 version. My set up is BLURAY player SAMSUNG, audio to RMC-1, video to SAMSUNG 78 inch.. RMC-1 drive a INTEGRA RESEARCH RDC (center+front+surround) and a ONKYO 5500 (surround back and hight).. same setup I have since January when I installed the RMC-1 version 2.5 ( but all was fine)
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Post by glegle72 on May 5, 2024 11:57:00 GMT -5
To be precise, in movie, my POLK speakers sound little like KLIPSCH rf7, but ok.. the LFE is very boosted but sound very good in fact.. It's with music the POLK sound like small satellite .and , because, we Don, t have a LFE CHANNEL on stereo, the bass management work, but is thin, light..
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Post by glegle72 on May 6, 2024 12:08:49 GMT -5
OK.. ALL IS FINE.. today morning I redone a re---factory reset. and unplugged all for 1mn. . Replug, reload another time the firmware update 3.2 without USB stick, restore setting ( or before, don,t remember) shut off, and unplugged another time all for 1mn, restart the RMC-1 to veryfie. Shut off.. 8H later start on, and listening stereo 2.0, all sound wonderful. on ATMOS and DTS-MA the LFE is hot (normal) around +4-6db (same as the ONKYO PR-RZ 5100) compare to version 2.5. I believe the sound is more spacial on stereo 2.0 (like my old POLK SDA), I feel the surround left and right active in stereo šš. I love the RMC-1 and it,s why I have 2 of them now.
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Post by markc on May 7, 2024 5:17:19 GMT -5
OK.. ALL IS FINE.. today morning I redone a re---factory reset. and unplugged all for 1mn. . Replug, reload another time the firmware update 3.2 without USB stick, restore setting ( or before, don,t remember) shut off, and unplugged another time all for 1mn, restart the RMC-1 to veryfie. Shut off.. 8H later start on, and listening stereo 2.0, all sound wonderful. on ATMOS and DTS-MA the LFE is hot (normal) around +4-6db (same as the ONKYO PR-RZ 5100) compare to version 2.5. I believe the sound is more spacial on stereo 2.0 (like my old POLK SDA), I feel the surround left and right active in stereo šš. I love the RMC-1 and it,s why I have 2 of them now. I would put my money that all is fine... for now. Tomorrow? Who can say?!
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Post by sebna on May 7, 2024 9:46:32 GMT -5
OK.. ALL IS FINE.. today morning I redone a re---factory reset. and unplugged all for 1mn. . Replug, reload another time the firmware update 3.2 without USB stick, restore setting ( or before, don,t remember) shut off, and unplugged another time all for 1mn, restart the RMC-1 to veryfie. Shut off.. 8H later start on, and listening stereo 2.0, all sound wonderful. on ATMOS and DTS-MA the LFE is hot (normal) around +4-6db (same as the ONKYO PR-RZ 5100) compare to version 2.5. I believe the sound is more spacial on stereo 2.0 (like my old POLK SDA), I feel the surround left and right active in stereo šš. I love the RMC-1 and it,s why I have 2 of them now. Welcome to the fold.
I assume you will be upgrading your unit(s) to "+" versions?
If so I hope that you would do one at the time to be able to do side by side comparison to let us all know how old vs new compare?
I know I would love to read about it.
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Post by lhracing on May 9, 2024 9:33:04 GMT -5
I sent my XMC-2 in for service this week so I was without my main system. I have a use for another system in my bedroom so I have been looking at receivers and a used Onkyo TX-RZ50 (9.2 channel) came up locally for a good price so I picked it up. Because it supports preamp outputs and the speaker setup (5.1.4) that I have I decided to install it in my main system while my XMC is out. To say the least I am impressed, everything just works... and it sounds great. I plan on running Dirac on it later and see how that goes. At this point I am questioning if my XMC-2 will go back into use?
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Post by cawgijoe on May 9, 2024 9:50:04 GMT -5
I sent my XMC-2 in for service this week so I was without my main system. I have a use for another system in my bedroom so I have been looking at receivers and a used Onkyo TX-RZ50 (9.2 channel) came up locally for a good price so I picked it up. Because it supports preamp outputs and the speaker setup (5.1.4) that I have I decided to install it in my main system while my XMC is out. To say the least I am impressed, everything just works... and it sounds great. I plan on running Dirac on it later and see how that goes. At this point I am questioning if my XMC-2 will go back into use? Well, it's up to you, but if you are happy with the performance of the Onkyo, you could always sell the XMC-2 once returned. I would probably give it a little time to take the Onkyo through it's paces.
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Post by Stephen Park on May 11, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -5
Ya I have had distortion on the balanced input also. However could have been something that was already "confused" in the processor from watching TV before listening to music. I'm no engineer but wondering if having certain equipment in the chain is why the processor has these problems. This isn't a excuse by any means but rather a attempt to try and troubleshoot... I think that (unlike your Samsung TV speculation), itās reasonable to think a particular type of device is more likely to cause the <digital hair, kazoo, modulation, whatever you call it> distortion. For example, Apple TVs are often sited with this distortion, but they are also popular, and people also site other sources; so we might say āUHD/Atmos streaming devicesā are a likely culprit. Some devices may also be less likely to distort, for instance, I donāt ever remember hearing this distortion from my Oppo 203, which I primarily use for UHD/Atmos discs. So here, the same type of UHD/Atmos program may be more likely to distort, when streamed (in my memory Iāve only heard it from ļ£æTV). Getting this distortion from the balanced input is an outlier, but your speculation that something done previously on the processor, put it āin the moodā to distort, seems plausible. Yes, that metalic sound distortion is only when I use AppleTV and plus VRO mode. As same as your case, OPPO 203, have never had this āmetalic sound distortion with certain frequency rangeā. I also use balanced input, with Chord DAC, connected my network transport player, same. Nothing happen. When I have no time to turn on my RMC-1 for couple days, my family only use AppleTV with RMC-1 with VRO mode, so stream is pass through VRO circuit on offed RMC-1. And finally I am back home, there is metalic sound problem happened, many times. I was thinking, maybe my AppleTV has problem, and Iād brought it to local service center, there was no problem at all by play AppleTV alone. Anyway I buy new latest AppleTV couple months ago, same happen many times already. So I believe that it is combination problem with streamed video source by HDMI(4K, HDR and Dloby Vision capable) and VRO mode of RMC-1. When cold boot my RMC, problem gone temporally. It will come back any time soon as long as I use VRO mode. I report it by chat, by email, by this forum, dozen times since last firmware(not last Beta). No one gave me useful or hopeful answer but silence or just wait and see answer. Huh, ok, I can turn on and off whenever it happen, not even 30sec I need to wait, no need disconnect everything as someone always said for so called clean-boot, jut tic-toc rear switch for 2 second, is enough. It is definitely small DSP āglitchā on DSP firmware. Butā¦. Seems no one in EMO care about it. Maybe they are busy to produce G4P, with same glitch on it. Sorry for my sarcastic post but Iām give up already for this thing. And I will NEVER recommend RMC for anybody who want buy RMC or whatever EMOās next gen processor if he/she want use AppleTV or whatever digital stream source with RMC. Oh, only balanced/unbalanced analog input with Dirac enabled stereo mode is superb. Still balanced input with bi-amp mode is basically impossible because there is ācircuit design problemā since the beginning, so it is impossible to fix unless change whole analogue circuit design and board itself, and it will not happen until end of this RMC series's life. And it is true. Maybe this problem still same exist on G4P. God knows.
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Post by sebna on May 12, 2024 7:45:50 GMT -5
Did anybody had a chance to compare one of our Pres to Storm Audio MK1/2?
If so what did you think?
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Post by Lsc on May 12, 2024 10:09:50 GMT -5
I sent my XMC-2 in for service this week so I was without my main system. I have a use for another system in my bedroom so I have been looking at receivers and a used Onkyo TX-RZ50 (9.2 channel) came up locally for a good price so I picked it up. Because it supports preamp outputs and the speaker setup (5.1.4) that I have I decided to install it in my main system while my XMC is out. To say the least I am impressed, everything just works... and it sounds great. I plan on running Dirac on it later and see how that goes. At this point I am questioning if my XMC-2 will go back into use? Itās a good question. I went the other way, I temporarily replaced my XMC2 with a 25 year old Theta Casanova with no HDMI or lossless audio capabilities. However for two channel music via the bluesound mode (digital out), I prefer the Theta because with the flexible crossover, the blend between my salons and Gotham sub is much better. Much much better actually. So yes, anything is possible. The xmc2 may be going in the basement until the xmc2+ is released. Also, no one in my family uses my main system but I also have the Logitech Harmony in 2 rooms so even if they did itās generally not a problem.
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Post by jayfabs on May 12, 2024 22:24:59 GMT -5
Iām looking at purchasing a RMC-1L that is supposed to be new in the box from 2020 for $1800. Was there any parts or boards that were updated since 2020? I have a XMC-2 right now. I was planning to upgrade to the + models but who knows when they will be available. I plan to sell the XMC-2 to offset the new unit.
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Post by lhracing on May 13, 2024 8:11:30 GMT -5
Iām looking at purchasing a RMC-1L that is supposed to be new in the box from 2020 for $1800. Was there any parts or boards that were updated since 2020? I have a XMC-2 right now. I was planning to upgrade to the + models but who knows when they will be available. I plan to sell the XMC-2 to offset the new unit. The newer āeARCā HDMI board was introduced about January 2022.
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Post by jayfabs on May 13, 2024 8:53:35 GMT -5
Iām looking at purchasing a RMC-1L that is supposed to be new in the box from 2020 for $1800. Was there any parts or boards that were updated since 2020? I have a XMC-2 right now. I was planning to upgrade to the + models but who knows when they will be available. I plan to sell the XMC-2 to offset the new unit. The newer āeARCā HDMI board was introduced about January 2022. Ok thatās what I thought. Thanks
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Post by markc on May 13, 2024 11:59:25 GMT -5
OK.. ALL IS FINE.. today morning I redone a re---factory reset. and unplugged all for 1mn. . Replug, reload another time the firmware update 3.2 without USB stick, restore setting ( or before, don,t remember) shut off, and unplugged another time all for 1mn, restart the RMC-1 to veryfie. Shut off.. 8H later start on, and listening stereo 2.0, all sound wonderful. on ATMOS and DTS-MA the LFE is hot (normal) around +4-6db (same as the ONKYO PR-RZ 5100) compare to version 2.5. I believe the sound is more spacial on stereo 2.0 (like my old POLK SDA), I feel the surround left and right active in stereo šš. I love the RMC-1 and it,s why I have 2 of them now. Great. Save this post for the next time this happens to you, so you can go through the same steps to get it working again.
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Post by jayfabs on May 18, 2024 14:18:02 GMT -5
Just scored a RMC-1L for $1200 new in the box. It does not have the eARC board though. Should I be fine to do a current firmware update? Time to sell the XMC-2
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Post by kanichkhun on May 18, 2024 21:27:35 GMT -5
Just scored a RMC-1L for $1200 new in the box. It does not have the eARC board though. Should I be fine to do a current firmware update? Time to sell the XMC-2 Congrats, go ahead.
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Post by Lsc on May 18, 2024 22:45:33 GMT -5
Just scored a RMC-1L for $1200 new in the box. It does not have the eARC board though. Should I be fine to do a current firmware update? Time to sell the XMC-2Ā If you are able to maybe you can see if the RMC1L sounds better than the XMC2 vs just having more features
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Post by logitech on May 19, 2024 3:03:21 GMT -5
Just scored a RMC-1L for $1200 new in the box. It does not have the eARC board though. Should I be fine to do a current firmware update? Time to sell the XMC-2 If you are able to maybe you can see if the RMC1L sounds better than the XMC2 vs just having more features I would also like to hear your thoughts on which, if any, sounds better.
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