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Post by jason1976 on Mar 16, 2011 16:05:48 GMT -5
Who knows...and at this point - I won't debate XMC-1 arrival time, but I do have my bet placed on the release date in another thread. I am about to lose, but what the heck...I made my bet! On the UMC-1 stability and the impact of that on the XMC timing, clearly - it has impacted the timing so far. But...I don't see that we have the data to pin the UMC's problems on the chipset. There are so many factors...the chipset, MFG variation in parts that leads to issues, the FW, the sources, user error in setup and/or install, the "iffy" install process, and phase of the moon! Net, without data showing a correlation, we can't pin the UMC's issues on any particular problem. So, they may or may not change chipsets based on the UMC-1 experience. And, given my very positive UMC-1 experience, I would not avoid buying an XMC-1 based on chipset alone. Whether I salivate or not depends on what features they offer & the price...not merely chipset. Mark Maybe it isn't the chipset, but something in the hardware profile isn't jiving. After a year of firmware/software updates it seems as if they have adjusted all of the parameters they can or are willing to via these updates. To my knowlege the entire premise of the XMC was based on a UMC derivitive, much like the Sherbourn. In other words, they thought the platform was stable enough to build on and add features to. I don't think it is entirely their fault either. The original EMOq was just a tweaked Cirrus IRC generic feature. From what I can understand, they had to rewrite the code to even get the feature to the kinda works status that it is today.
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Post by jamrock on Mar 16, 2011 17:14:32 GMT -5
I noticed that the XMC is billed as 'state of the art', but that was in 2009. Curious if the are changing anything or adding features to really bring it up to speed with the times. Networking, video chip, etc. Considering what is out now, the XMC seems anything but state of the art. Am I missing something? State of the art in features or engineering? I think that this description fits the latter! Up to date features and state of the art are not synonomous IMO. There are many poorly engineered receivers and blu ray players in the market that are equipped with every bell & whistle known to man, that can only reduce testerone levels and induce stomach acids, but never impart audio satisfaction. Just a thought.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2011 17:36:11 GMT -5
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't...unless we have firm data - we don't know. There are too many factors. And, we have seen documented examples on this forum that ended up being driven by each factor I noted in my post above over the time the UMC has been in the market. Given that, it's not possible for me to lay blame for why some do continue to have some remaining issues and others have units that work flawlessly.
Further, if the issue were solely chipset or hardware not jiving, I would think that problems would be common and recurrent for all. But, that's not the case...so, there must be more to account for the variation.
Mark
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Post by BillBauman on Mar 16, 2011 22:49:35 GMT -5
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't...unless we have firm data - we don't know. There are too many factors. And, we have seen documented examples on this forum that ended up being driven by each factor I noted in my post above over the time the UMC has been in the market. Given that, it's not possible for me to lay blame for why some do continue to have some remaining issues and others have units that work flawlessly. Further, if the issue were solely chipset or hardware not jiving, I would think that problems would be common and recurrent for all. But, that's not the case...so, there must be more to account for the variation. Mark Not necessarily, all chips are not created equally. A rough analogy would be think about a blade cutting pieces of glass by a machine. They would all be nearly exactly the same, for the most part, but the finer and finer you tried to make that cut, the less exactly the same they would be, to the point where some equipment would be incapable of making a useful piece of cut glass at all. Processor, chips, anything based on a silicon manufacturing process can have dramatically different end results. The chips are then "binned" which means, roughly tested for capabilities, and the best ones are chosen for the highest grade bins, on down. It's possible, if quality control is not all that great, that chips passing initial testing will fail, be faulty, or flaky, during every-day use. It's possible the same UMC-1 run in a nice, cool basement would fail on a daily basis in a 10th floor, non-air conditioned, humid apartment in Singapore. Just some ideas to ponder when you're wondering if all chips, or all pre/pro's, that appear and function identically, are truly made equally.
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Post by Topend on Mar 17, 2011 4:45:22 GMT -5
^ My UMC-1 works fine in the tropics. Our weather is similar to Singapore. I have about 4" of space above to let the heat dissipate.
Dave.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2011 6:39:12 GMT -5
BillB...I totally agree...manufacturing variation (as I noted in my earlier post on the topic, 1 page back) is a potential source of variation in performance in use. But, given all things manufactured have variation, I don't distinctly associate this particular point with the Cirrus chipset...it can affect all types of chips, as you note.
Net again, could be any of the root causes I listed in my note on page 13...but again, I don't have any data to say, so I can't declare what the root cause is. But, it is interesting to speculate!
Mark
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Post by autiger on Mar 19, 2011 9:21:34 GMT -5
Would love to hear an update (not an estimation as to release date). That things are progressing.
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Post by jamrock on Mar 19, 2011 14:00:49 GMT -5
We have only 12 days left in March. Since the release was projected for this month, I'm assuming that we will definitely get a status update within 12 days. I would expect that Emo will elaborate on the changes, if any.
That must be weighed against sustaining fan and general consumer interest in, and excitement about the product.
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Post by HDSapper on Mar 24, 2011 12:58:35 GMT -5
I have to believe that they will send us into the weekend with a new podcast tomorrow. It's been about 8 weeks now. Time the fuel the hype with some juicy details about the XMC, new subs, X-ref speakers, etc.
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Post by Topend on Mar 24, 2011 13:49:33 GMT -5
I have to believe that they will send us into the weekend with a new podcast tomorrow. It's been about 8 weeks now. Time the fuel the hype with some juicy details about the XMC, new subs, X-ref speakers, etc. I wait with enthusiasm. Dave.
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Post by BillBauman on Mar 24, 2011 17:41:45 GMT -5
Would love to hear an update (not an estimation as to release date). That things are progressing. Based on a recent conversation I had, I can assure you that things are progressing. I can't, however, provide you with an update on what it is that's progressing. We're all pretty excited, though, huh?
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Post by jamrock on Mar 25, 2011 21:38:21 GMT -5
Would love to hear an update (not an estimation as to release date). That things are progressing. Based on a recent conversation I had, I can assure you that things are progressing. I can't, however, provide you with an update on what it is that's progressing. We're all pretty excited, though, huh? Sir: You are a royal teaser. You just can't say things like this then just walk away. This is the sort of comment that induces sleeplessness. Please come clean. Thanx. ;D
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 25, 2011 23:15:45 GMT -5
We have only 12 days left in March. Since the release was projected for this month, I'm assuming that we will definitely get a status update within 12 days. I would expect that Emo will elaborate on the changes, if any. That must be weighed against sustaining fan and general consumer interest in, and excitement about the product. I called in the other day looking for my 40% discount card that I hadn't received yet and was told the XMC-1 wouldn't be released until close to the end of this year.
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Post by Topend on Mar 26, 2011 0:14:58 GMT -5
We have only 12 days left in March. Since the release was projected for this month, I'm assuming that we will definitely get a status update within 12 days. I would expect that Emo will elaborate on the changes, if any. That must be weighed against sustaining fan and general consumer interest in, and excitement about the product. I called in the other day looking for my 40% discount card that I hadn't received yet and was told the XMC-1 wouldn't be released until close to the end of this year. If they are telling you that, why don't they provide an update for the rest of us. The last info from Emo points toward a March release. Dave.
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Post by HDSapper on Mar 26, 2011 8:27:01 GMT -5
The last info from Emo points toward a March release. Did the info actually say 2011? March 2012 is unfortunately a real possibility.
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Post by jamrock on Mar 26, 2011 8:49:33 GMT -5
We have only 12 days left in March. Since the release was projected for this month, I'm assuming that we will definitely get a status update within 12 days. I would expect that Emo will elaborate on the changes, if any. That must be weighed against sustaining fan and general consumer interest in, and excitement about the product. I called in the other day looking for my 40% discount card that I hadn't received yet and was told the XMC-1 wouldn't be released until close to the end of this year. Some would be terribly disappointed if that's true. I wouldn't. I have a working pre/pro that gives me everything I need now except a phono input. My sympathy for those who don't. It is quite evident that Emo will miss this targeted date as the new pre-order process has not yet started. However, since the waiting faithfuls were promised a release by March 2011, the responsible thing that Emotiva must do, is to provide a timely (before March ends) explanation just as Outlaw has done. Amen!
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Post by carbonsummit on Mar 26, 2011 21:50:36 GMT -5
I called in the other day looking for my 40% discount card that I hadn't received yet and was told the XMC-1 wouldn't be released until close to the end of this year. If they are telling you that, why don't they provide an update for the rest of us. The last info from Emo points toward a March release. Dave. I'm not sure why she (who she was I don't remember) told me. I just asked in passing after asking about my 40% card and that was the answer I got. Maybe a slip of the tongue. But if they are that far from a release and people are thinking a March release than it would only be smart to just own up to it and announce it. I would think they would have learned from the UMC-1, and if they handle the XMC-1 the same way I think they'll lose any credibility they have left with a lot of people.
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Post by GMan on Mar 27, 2011 5:58:40 GMT -5
If they're delaying the XMC-1 until the end of the year, my guess is that they're rewriting the UMC-1 code to accomodate the extra functionality in the XMC-1. Hopefully, the process will help them shake out the remaining bugs in the UMC-1.
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Post by jamrock on Mar 27, 2011 8:28:52 GMT -5
If they're delaying the XMC-1 until the end of the year, my guess is that they're rewriting the UMC-1 code to accomodate the extra functionality in the XMC-1. Hopefully, the process will help them shake out the remaining bugs in the UMC-1. And that would be great. But, let us know in a timely manner.
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Post by wfdtamar on Mar 27, 2011 17:17:19 GMT -5
Harking back to an earlier discussion about wether to have THX certification for the XMC-1 - the general consensus seemed to be don't bother. Based on the average results I'm getting from my UMC-1 (most notably in going from PCN stereo from my PVR's to Dolby surround) I would like a body external to Emotiva leaning over their shoulder to see they meet some kind of standard.
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