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Post by asaturno on Dec 7, 2009 11:31:36 GMT -5
I misspoke on my original post. The power button is always in the on position. So the machine is in standby mode. I've tested 10 store bought music cd's and the results are the same. Track 1 has the first second clipped.
Procedure: 1. Hit Standby button on remote to bring unit out of standby mode 2. Insert CD and let it start playing automatically - music actually starts coming out at 00:00:01 3. Stop CD 4. Eject CD 5. Hit Standby button to put unit into standby mode 6. Go to Step 1
It cannot be the CD's. And I don't understand how some people don't experience this issue.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 7, 2009 12:30:09 GMT -5
I misspoke on my original post. The power button is always in the on position. So the machine is in standby mode. I've tested 10 store bought music cd's and the results are the same. Track 1 has the first second clipped. Procedure: 1. Hit Standby button on remote to bring unit out of standby mode 2. Insert CD and let it start playing automatically - music actually starts coming out at 00:00:01 3. Stop CD 4. Eject CD 5. Hit Standby button to put unit into standby mode 6. Go to Step 1 It cannot be the CD's. And I don't understand how some people don't experience this issue. When you said "clipped" I assumed you meant the signal was distorted from clipping (as in not enough power). But if you are talking about missing the first second or two of the CD on the 1st track, that problem has been discussed quite a bit here and most people seem to experience the same thing. Others say they have tried to reproduce that and their CD's play fine from the first moment. Me, I get that same "clipping" of the first second or two every time I turn on the player. I just start the track over and it is fine. The ERC-1 is such a great machine I overlook this one little thing that doesn't seem to work properly.
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Post by hikinokie on Dec 7, 2009 14:25:49 GMT -5
Weird. Never had that problem with mine.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 7, 2009 14:39:20 GMT -5
Emotiva's testing showed that 9 out of 10 CDs did not display this bug. Very puzzling. Perhaps they weren't turning the ERC-1 off before testing. Well I guess it is like cables - some hear the skip at the beginning of the CD and some don't, just like some hear the difference between cables and some don't, haha.. ;D All I know is my CD definitely skips that first second or two on the first play.
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 7, 2009 19:29:44 GMT -5
It might depend on the intro to the first track and how much you are paying attention as to whether or not you notice it. I'll test mine when it get here around the 1st.
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Post by asaturno on Dec 8, 2009 10:05:17 GMT -5
I misspoke on my original post. The power button is always in the on position. So the machine is in standby mode. I've tested 10 store bought music cd's and the results are the same. Track 1 has the first second clipped. Procedure: 1. Hit Standby button on remote to bring unit out of standby mode 2. Insert CD and let it start playing automatically - music actually starts coming out at 00:00:01 3. Stop CD 4. Eject CD 5. Hit Standby button to put unit into standby mode 6. Go to Step 1 It cannot be the CD's. And I don't understand how some people don't experience this issue. When you said "clipped" I assumed you meant the signal was distorted from clipping (as in not enough power). But if you are talking about missing the first second or two of the CD on the 1st track, that problem has been discussed quite a bit here and most people seem to experience the same thing. Others say they have tried to reproduce that and their CD's play fine from the first moment. Me, I get that same "clipping" of the first second or two every time I turn on the player. I just start the track over and it is fine. The ERC-1 is such a great machine I overlook this one little thing that doesn't seem to work properly. Sorry yes I mean the first second is not played, skipped. I was using clipped as in clipped off like a hair. While I agree it is a great machine, and at this point I think I will keep it, I think Emotiva should just come out and say it's a bug and will fix it. I can't believe some machines don't have this bug, or it affects only certain CD's. What I do think is not every first track song has sound starting at 00:00:00 and maybe that's why not everyone notices it.
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 9, 2009 8:08:33 GMT -5
I checked mine again carefully last night and I don't see or hear what you describe on my ERC-1. It starts right up at 00:00:00 or 00:00:01.....if the music doesn't actually start till a second in. I tried turning it on and off and could not create a problem.
So I think it would be hard for Emotiva to declare a bug here if not all the machines do this.
I was also listening to cd's that didn't actually output sound till 00:00:01 and could not tell that any information was cut off......they all sounded like they started correctly.
If your machine really has a problem, or it bugs you too much, you should send it back to Emo for a checkup. I would even venture to send them a cd or two along with your return so they can evaluate............just a thought.......godd luck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2009 4:33:43 GMT -5
It might depend on the intro to the first track and how much you are paying attention as to whether or not you notice it. I'll test mine when it get here around the 1st. You hit it right on the nose. First of all it helps to test with a CD that starts right off with normal volume music and not a very soft intro. I actually watch the counter and can see that it usually starts late at about 0.01 to 0.02 seconds, average about 1.5 seconds late (it cuts off the first second or second and a half). Once it skips after turning on the power from standby then any further plays on that CD or any other CD will be fine until you put it back into standby. So when you first play it, after five seconds or so, hit the replay back button and it will start over at 0.00 seconds and if your ERC-1 has the problem you will clearly hear the difference. Sometimes with a CD that has a very soft introduction it is hard to pickup the skipped second or two.
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Post by mopho on Dec 10, 2009 19:27:03 GMT -5
OK stupid question time as I was considering purchasing an ERC-1:
Assuming there's no option to disable the automatic playback feature, how feasible would it be for Emotiva to incorporate this as an option?
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Post by hangman on Dec 10, 2009 21:50:17 GMT -5
I checked mine again carefully last night and I don't see or hear what you describe on my ERC-1. It starts right up at 00:00:00 or 00:00:01..... if the music doesn't actually start till a second in. I tried turning it on and off and could not create a problem. You just described the problem, so apparently your ERC-1 has the problem too. The music should start playing at 00:00:00 not 00:00:01 since at that point, you are already 1 second into the song. I just purchased my ERC-1 a couple of weeks ago, and this was the first thing I noticed whne I first played it. I thought I had a scratched cd at first but then found out it does this for all CD's the very first time it plays after being powered on. Doesn't bother me enough to return it though.
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 10, 2009 23:46:06 GMT -5
I checked mine again carefully last night and I don't see or hear what you describe on my ERC-1. It starts right up at 00:00:00 or 00:00:01..... if the music doesn't actually start till a second in. I tried turning it on and off and could not create a problem. You just described the problem, so apparently your ERC-1 has the problem too. The music should start playing at 00:00:00 not 00:00:01 since at that point, you are already 1 second into the song. I just purchased my ERC-1 a couple of weeks ago, and this was the first thing I noticed whne I first played it. I thought I had a scratched cd at first but then found out it does this for all CD's the very first time it plays after being powered on. Doesn't bother me enough to return it though. No....you misunderstood me. If I don't hear any sound until 01 second into the cd it's not because the song has been "cut off", it's because the song has not actually begun. There is no missing music. No cut off words.....no cut off instrumentation. I've tested the same cds on my Denon DCD-1500II, Denon DCD-1520, and Nakamichi OMS-7 and the same music is there as on the ERC-1. Nothing extra......no extra second on these players.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 11, 2009 0:55:02 GMT -5
You just described the problem, so apparently your ERC-1 has the problem too. The music should start playing at 00:00:00 not 00:00:01 since at that point, you are already 1 second into the song. I just purchased my ERC-1 a couple of weeks ago, and this was the first thing I noticed whne I first played it. I thought I had a scratched cd at first but then found out it does this for all CD's the very first time it plays after being powered on. Doesn't bother me enough to return it though. No....you misunderstood me. If I don't hear any sound until 01 second into the cd it's not because the song has been "cut off", it's because the song has not actually begun. There is no missing music. No cut off words.....no cut off instrumentation. I've tested the same cds on my Denon DCD-1500II, Denon DCD-1520, and Nakamichi OMS-7 and the same music is there as on the ERC-1. Nothing extra......no extra second on these players. I think there is a misunderstanding here. We are talking about when the music on track 1 of a CD begins right at the zero second counter - the first second of that track is being cut off by the ERC-1. For music tracks in which the first second of the recording is silent and the music actually begins after 1 second of silence has elapsed is fine (i.e., when the CD has been deliberately produced so that the first second of the track has no signal) but where the CD has been produced to begin playing immediately at zero, the ERC-1 chops off the first second. That definitely happens to me. However, it is so easy to just restart the track (after which it plays fine, from zero second) I don't know why people turn this into a deal breaker.
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 11, 2009 4:29:12 GMT -5
The perplexing thing about this missing second issue is that like cawgijoe I have never run into it. I have, out of curiosity, tried to force the missing second, but have not been able to confirm it. I took a stack of random CD's out of my collection (15 CD's) and dutifully when thru the steps that so many of you say causes this and still cannot find this issue occurring.
So far, we have users reporting that this issue occurs on every first CD played after powering up; we also have users who say this issues occurs sporadically; and we have users who have yet to experience this anomaly. Dann G, on more than one occasion, has tried to reproduce the problem; and, he reported that of the 10 different CD's he used in his test only once did he experience the missing second syndrome.
The "problem" is so easily remedied if and when it occurs with the push of one button on your remote control. I am surprised it has garnered so many posts. I get a headache trying to understand what is happening to cause such variability. I had hoped that Lonnie would jump in and explain to all of us just what causes this anomaly... not because it is a big issue (because it is not) but because of intellectual curiosity.
I get the feeling that the only reason this thread continues to have life is because everyone else is bothered by the fact they don't understand WHY. Lonnie, please set our minds at ease.
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Post by asaturno on Dec 11, 2009 10:00:02 GMT -5
I get the feeling that the only reason this thread continues to have life is because everyone else is bothered by the fact they don't understand WHY. Lonnie, please set our minds at ease. The other reason is that the ERC-1 sounds so good and is marketed as an Audiophile CD player, yet it cannot do something an Emerson $30 CD Clock Radio can do.
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Post by jedinite24 on Dec 11, 2009 10:31:27 GMT -5
Here are some tracks where I've heard the ERC-1 chop off the 1st second.
Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus
Orgy's cover of Blue Monday
GUns N Roses Sweet Child of Mine
I think this small minute issue is alive and kicking because of:
Why is it even occurring?
Will there ever be permanent fix to this rather than a workaround?
Why wasn't it caught in QC processes or testing?
Many other cheaper CDPs don't have this issue and the more expensive CDPs definitely don't have this issue.
I mean the ERC-1 sound quality is great and marketed as an audiophile CDP but to me this problem and workaround shouldn't even exist.
JD
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 11, 2009 13:24:28 GMT -5
My last reply on this though I will monitor to see if powers that be at Emo respond with an answer or not........it doesn't happen to me....as far as I'm concerned...it doesn't exist...player works great...........
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Post by Lonnie on Dec 11, 2009 13:32:50 GMT -5
My last reply on this though I will monitor to see if powers that be at Emo respond with an answer or not........it doesn't happen to me....as far as I'm concerned...it doesn't exist...player works great........... The buffer on the ERC mutes as it is locking onto the signal, then unmutes once it is locked. On some CDs, this cuts of the first second. I have stood in front of the ERC and fed it about 20 discs in a row, to see if there is a pattern. On CDs that have 'enhanced' features/comtputer files, it takes the player longer to scan and lock onto the signal, yes. Otherwise, I experienced it on some discs, and not on others. I would say, roughly, maybe 5% of the time, that issue occurs. Encoding differs from CD to CD, and CDRs, especially. That said, we don't consider it a 'defect', just the nature of the buffer. But, we are looking into updating the software to resolve this, and we will let everyone know when that happens, and hopefully be able to make the update available to current ERC owners.
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Post by Animo on Dec 11, 2009 13:56:14 GMT -5
^ That is just super !!!
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 11, 2009 14:20:24 GMT -5
Great!.......playing cd's right now......I'm home and enjoying the ERC-1.........thanks Dann.
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Post by jedinite24 on Dec 11, 2009 15:46:00 GMT -5
My last reply on this though I will monitor to see if powers that be at Emo respond with an answer or not........it doesn't happen to me....as far as I'm concerned...it doesn't exist...player works great........... The buffer on the ERC mutes as it is locking onto the signal, then unmutes once it is locked. On some CDs, this cuts of the first second. we are looking into updating the software to resolve this, and we will let everyone know when that happens, and hopefully be able to make the update available to current ERC owners. This is VERY good news to me. I'm happier now. JD
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