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Post by merlinwerks on Mar 16, 2010 10:08:00 GMT -5
If it can't be made an option, then my vote is to leave it as it is now, straight stereo. For my use it would be inconceivable not to have plain stereo. Kinda boggles my mind it was released without it to begin with  Maybe an attempt to sell more USP's ;D Of course, no offense to the all-channelers, you have your own valid reasons as well... |
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Post by tknice on Mar 16, 2010 10:27:20 GMT -5
If it can't be made an option, then my vote is to leave it as it is now, straight stereo. For my use it would be inconceivable not to have plain stereo. Kinda boggles my mind it was released without it to begin with Maybe an attempt to sell more USP's ;D Of course, no offense to the all-channelers, you have your own valid reasons as well... They aren't going to leave it as it is now, that would make users with 5 and 7 channel Emo amps forced to look elsewhere. They wouldn't abandon straight stereo either because they are an audio company at heart. btw, I know you're probably joking about selling more UMCs but it's kind of insulting. I'm sure they will work it out, it just takes time and maybe another firmware update or two. It would be nice to hear something from EMO on this. Clearly we have audiofiles as well as home theater enthusiasts looking to purchase. |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 10:45:34 GMT -5
"Stereo" should be stereo, ie 2-channel or 2.1 channel. Period. If users want an all-channel DSP option created from a 2-channel source, then that is something else. Actual surround music (such as SACD or DVD-A) would be properly handled by the UMC-1 using the 7-channel analog inputs, but creating it from a stereo source is a non-standard playback mode and should be something users have to select if they want it for some reason. Using the PLIIx mode is a way to achieve a similar effect.
Please leave the stereo mode as is, so I can get the full advantage of the UMC-1's EQ and bass management and listen to music via the front mains plus subwoofer only. If some sort of all-channel DSP mode is added for those who want it, fine. Thank you.
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Post by merlinwerks on Mar 16, 2010 10:47:55 GMT -5
If it can't be made an option, then my vote is to leave it as it is now, straight stereo. For my use it would be inconceivable not to have plain stereo. Kinda boggles my mind it was released without it to begin with Maybe an attempt to sell more USP's ;D Of course, no offense to the all-channelers, you have your own valid reasons as well... I do have a 7 channel amp (LPA-1), but I still primarily use my system for stereo music listening. Yes I was joking, apologies if it was offensive. Yes, hopefully we all can be accomodated. |
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Post by mysterymachine on Mar 16, 2010 11:53:38 GMT -5
So, we have no mode to process multi-channel PCM except stereo??? That doesn't seem right. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=10110&post=156627 FWIW the last few receivers I've used, regardless of brand or price worked like this: Press stereo button: changes to 2 channel stereo, press it again and it switches to 5 channel stereo (one did 4 channel stereo I think) Press dolby PL button: Changes to PL and each subsequent push changes mode between movie, music, game etc So the UMC operates completely different? |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 12:00:16 GMT -5
So, we have no mode to process multi-channel PCM except stereo??? That doesn't seem right. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=10110&post=156627 FWIW the last few receivers I've used, regardless of brand or price worked like this: Press stereo button: changes to 2 channel stereo, press it again and it switches to 5 channel stereo (one did 4 channel stereo I think) Press dolby PL button: Changes to PL and each subsequent push changes mode between movie, music, game etc So the UMC operates completely different? No it handles multi-channel PCM via HDMI. |
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Post by nickwin on Mar 16, 2010 12:10:55 GMT -5
I too am amazed that Emotiva planned on releasing he UMC with no 2 channel stereo mode. I can't see how that was even an option. I agree that it would be nice to have the OPTION for multi channel stereo, but having that INSTEAD of standard 2 channel is absurd.
I know that you could use direct for 2 channel, but there should always be an option for 2 channel with BM and EQ. Its been said a couple times, even cheapo AVRs do this.
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Post by Woodpecker on Mar 16, 2010 12:33:24 GMT -5
Why this is even a discussion is beyond me. Even the cheapest AVR's have both. Surely the high strung processors in the UMC candle easily handle this. Regular 2 channel stereo is obviously a must. All channel stereo would be a very nice addition. Whether listening to music while getting the 'honey do' list done  , or gaming, or actually having a party, all channel stereo is nice to have as an option. The PLX modes are just not that good. Why not have the UMC as versatile as it can be? |
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Post by huffer on Mar 16, 2010 12:53:20 GMT -5
So, we have no mode to process multi-channel PCM except stereo??? That doesn't seem right. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=10110&post=156627 FWIW the last few receivers I've used, regardless of brand or price worked like this: Press stereo button: changes to 2 channel stereo, press it again and it switches to 5 channel stereo (one did 4 channel stereo I think) Press dolby PL button: Changes to PL and each subsequent push changes mode between movie, music, game etc So the UMC operates completely different? No it handles multi-channel PCM via HDMI. That's not what he is saying. In the other thread there is a discussion as to how the UMC handles uncompressed PCM. It looks like the only way to have the UMC handle PCM is Direct. By doing this, it looks like you lose all of your settings, EMO Q, etc. At least that is how I read it, I do not have my UMC yet. In summary to me it looks like two issues: 1) No all channel stereo 2) PCM is forced to use "Direct" which then does not allow you to use your settings. On a scale of 1 to 10, did I get some of that right? |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 13:20:27 GMT -5
In summary to me it looks like two issues: 1) No all channel stereo 2) PCM is forced to use "Direct" which then does not allow you to use your settings. On a scale of 1 to 10, did I get some of that right? In the Advanced Playback menu you can set Multichannel PCM to be decoded as Stereo, Direct, DSP or PLIIx. There are several DSP modes and the PLIIx can be set to either Movies or Music. Direct mode is the only one that bypasses the settings in the UMC-1. While this may not be what everyone thinks is ideal, it is what is there. There are several HDMI audio instability issues via HDMI with the currently released UMC-1 firmware, which are apparently being addressed in the impending update. Hopefully the instability will be solved soon. |
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Post by tknice on Mar 16, 2010 13:22:00 GMT -5
That's not what he is saying. In the other thread there is a discussion as to how the UMC handles uncompressed PCM. It looks like the only way to have the UMC handle PCM is Direct. By doing this, it looks like you lose all of your settings, EMO Q, etc. At least that is how I read it, I do not have my UMC yet. In summary to me it looks like two issues: 1) No all channel stereo 2) PCM is forced to use "Direct" which then does not allow you to use your settings. On a scale of 1 to 10, did I get some of that right? How does PLIIx relate to all channel stereo? Aren't they two different things? My main concern is that PLIIx Movie matrixes out the rear channels properly and sounds as good as every other receiver out there that can produce it. |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 13:25:34 GMT -5
How does PLIIx relate to all channel stereo? Aren't they two different things? My main concern is that PLIIx Movie matrixes out the rear channels properly and sounds as good as every other receiver out there that can produce it. Again I will say: "all channel" and "stereo" are two entierely different things. PLIIx Movie mode works well for movies. If you want an "all channel music" mode via PCM, try PLIIx Music. Is it as good as other receivers? I have no idea. But it's what the UMC-1 offers. |
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Post by marius on Mar 16, 2010 13:31:23 GMT -5
and based on my experience with my previous receiver, PLIIx music mode sounds vastly different than 7.1 all channel stereo on 2-channel source music.
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Post by tknice on Mar 16, 2010 13:33:08 GMT -5
In the Advanced Playback menu you can set Multichannel PCM to be decoded as Stereo, Direct, DSP or PLIIx. There are several DSP modes and the PLIIx can be set to either Movies or Music. Direct mode is the only one that bypasses the settings in the UMC-1. While this may not be what everyone thinks is ideal, it is what is there. There are several HDMI audio instability issues via HDMI with the currently released UMC-1 firmware, which are apparently being addressed in the impending update. Hopefully the instability will be solved soon. Thanks for the explanation of the settings dyohn. I would love for Lonnie or someone to comment on the quality of PLIIx in the UMC and what control we have over it. Also offer an opinion on how PLIIx did in their tests and how it compares to the competition. -TK |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 16, 2010 13:56:53 GMT -5
I agree that there should be plain old stereo for the purists even though I would never use it , but there should also be an option for all channel stereo as far as I know every our almost every AVR and pre/pro I have seen has this capability and I would think the hardware/software in Emotiva`s pre/pro`s have this capability sheerly the chips have the ability to do both
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Post by merlinwerks on Mar 16, 2010 14:04:44 GMT -5
and based on my experience with my previous receiver, PLIIx music mode sounds vastly different than 7.1 all channel stereo on 2-channel source music. Which it should, since PLIIx is attempting to synthesize a multi-channel surround type mix from a two channel source and an all-channel dsp mode is simply replicating a 2 channel source on all channels. PLIIx is not going to satisfy most people as a replacement for an all-channel dsp mode, and I can understand why, but it's as close as the UMC can come with it's current firmware. |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 14:08:20 GMT -5
In the Advanced Playback menu you can set Multichannel PCM to be decoded as Stereo, Direct, DSP or PLIIx. There are several DSP modes and the PLIIx can be set to either Movies or Music. Direct mode is the only one that bypasses the settings in the UMC-1. While this may not be what everyone thinks is ideal, it is what is there. There are several HDMI audio instability issues via HDMI with the currently released UMC-1 firmware, which are apparently being addressed in the impending update. Hopefully the instability will be solved soon. Thanks for the explanation of the settings dyohn. I would love for Lonnie or someone to comment on the quality of PLIIx in the UMC and what control we have over it. Also offer an opinion on how PLIIx did in their tests and how it compares to the competition. -TK Asking the equipment designer to comment on performance quality or to make a comparison to the competition will usually generate comments like "It's perfect" and "it's superior to all competition."  If you want comparative analysis you're often better off seeking this from uninterested third parties... |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 16, 2010 14:09:08 GMT -5
and based on my experience with my previous receiver, PLIIx music mode sounds vastly different than 7.1 all channel stereo on 2-channel source music. Which it should, since PLIIx is attempting to synthesize a multi-channel surround type mix from a two channel source and an all-channel dsp mode is simply replicating a 2 channel source on all channels. PLIIx is not going to satisfy most people as a replacement for an all-channel dsp mode, and I can understand why, but it's as close as the UMC can come with it's current firmware. Exactly. |
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Post by cptm on Mar 16, 2010 14:36:07 GMT -5
Stereo is called stereo for a reason. How the UMC was released without a proper 2-ch stereo mode is beyond me. Good thing they sorted that out.
Can't understand why someone would want anything else when listening to music...
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Post by nickwin on Mar 16, 2010 15:38:15 GMT -5
Question to people who are noticing a lack of presence of the surround speakers; is this only when using PLIIx, or with TruHD and DTSMA sources also?
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Maybe an attempt to sell more USP's ;D
, or gaming, or actually having a party, all channel stereo is nice to have as an option. The PLX modes are just not that good. Why not have the UMC as versatile as it can be?
If you want comparative analysis you're often better off seeking this from uninterested third parties...